*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

neuroanatomist said:
That point is when the capacity and/or speed of the recording media becomes a limitation. That was true for the 1D X II for CF, but if it's not the case for the 5DIV, then changing format just for the sake of it becomes a needless additional expense for buyers.

This.

Sales is about solving a problem for the client not creating one. If the client has to think about anything other than how this product will help them you are just giving them excuses not to buy.

CFast will do absolutely nothing for 5D purchasers other than cost us more money. These leaked specs will work very well with CF cards.

As for the specs, bring it on! If these are true, and if there is illuminated AF points in servo I can't see myself not buying this body as soon as I can afford it.
 
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aa_angus said:
It's almost humorous that there is a website dedicated to "Canon Rumors", yet it doesn't actually have any genuinely useful information relating to a Canon camera being announced in a couple of weeks (granted, this website was able to tell us when the camera will be released).

Tell us about the DR improvements of the 5DIV! Will it have eye control focus or auto AFMA? Hybrid viewfinder? Built in RT? This is the sort of information we need! If you can't get real info on products Canon are soon to release, then why run a website called Canon Rumors? Perhaps, "guesswork and info found from other parts of the web relating to Canon products" would be a more appropriate title.

Rumor (noun): a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.

Perhaps you should be visiting a site titled "leaked internal specifications from canon."

Why you "need" that info now rather than when canon issues a press release is beyond me.
 
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aa_angus said:
It's almost humorous that there is a website dedicated to "Canon Rumors", yet it doesn't actually have any genuinely useful information relating to a Canon camera being announced in a couple of weeks (granted, this website was able to tell us when the camera will be released).

Tell us about the DR improvements of the 5DIV! Will it have eye control focus or auto AFMA? Hybrid viewfinder? Built in RT? This is the sort of information we need! If you can't get real info on products Canon are soon to release, then why run a website called Canon Rumors? Perhaps, "guesswork and info found from other parts of the web relating to Canon products" would be a more appropriate title.

Also, these people complaining about the (lack of) video features..BUY A VIDEO CAMERA!

well duh.. you report rumors as they come in .. what do you expect?

also .. it's not as if canon ever would have the DR on spec sheets.. so how would someone know? even if it's announced we won't know.
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

raptor3x said:
kevl said:
CFast will do absolutely nothing for 5D purchasers other than cost us more money. These leaked specs will work very well with CF cards.

From a stills point of view, sure, but for those who would use the body for video I think the lack of CFast is a major disappointment.

Given the video specs listed above how exactly would adding CFast cards to the body help you or lessen your disappointment?

You can be disappointed about the specs they chose to hit, but it doesn't make sense to be bothered by a lack of CFast cards that would not benefit ANY user of a camera with those specs...
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

raptor3x said:
kevl said:
CFast will do absolutely nothing for 5D purchasers other than cost us more money. These leaked specs will work very well with CF cards.
From a stills point of view, sure, but for those who would use the body for video I think the lack of CFast is a major disappointment.

How do you figure that?

5DIV (rumored) specs
• 24/30fps @ 4K
• 60fps @ 1080
• 120fps @ 720

1D X II specs
• 24/30/50/60fps @ 4K
• 120fps @ 1080

A fast CF will do fine with 30fps @ 4K or 60fps @ 1080, so it would seem the only way the 5DIV's use of CF is a 'major disappointment' for video shooters is if you assume Canon would have given the 5DIV the same video specs as the 1D X II if only they'd put a CFast slot in the 5DIV. Is that what you're suggesting? If so, it's time for you to submit your travel visa application to dilbertland...
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

raptor3x said:
kevl said:
CFast will do absolutely nothing for 5D purchasers other than cost us more money. These leaked specs will work very well with CF cards.
From a stills point of view, sure, but for those who would use the body for video I think the lack of CFast is a major disappointment.

Go buy a video camera. Enough choice out there. I am sick and tired of video users whimpering about video features on DSLR. It is a mirrorslapper. By its very nature it is geared towards stills capture and not well suited to capture [serious] video.

I also do like combination of CF + SD. Just hoping the SD-slot is UHS II on the 5D4 ... not again a card slot that slows camera down as on 5D3.
 
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aa_angus said:
Every single person who visits this website wants that information

Yah, but you said "need"

:P

One may need that info when time comes to make a purchase decision, but by then it will be officially announced (except deep internal info like dynamic range). For now, we merely want to talk about it on a non-authoritative rumor discussion site.
 
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aa_angus said:
Every single person who visits this website wants that information

Well, no. I visit this website (a lot, in case you haven't noticed), and I have no need or desire to know, beyond idle curiosity.

But...what would you do with the information if you had it today? Buy the camera that's not available? Buy another camera that is available instead, that you need so urgently you can't wait a few weeks? Or just whine and complain based on certainty rather than speculation? ;)
 
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rrcphoto said:
aa_angus said:
It's almost humorous that there is a website dedicated to "Canon Rumors", yet it doesn't actually have any genuinely useful information relating to a Canon camera being announced in a couple of weeks (granted, this website was able to tell us when the camera will be released).

Tell us about the DR improvements of the 5DIV! Will it have eye control focus or auto AFMA? Hybrid viewfinder? Built in RT? This is the sort of information we need! If you can't get real info on products Canon are soon to release, then why run a website called Canon Rumors? Perhaps, "guesswork and info found from other parts of the web relating to Canon products" would be a more appropriate title.

Also, these people complaining about the (lack of) video features..BUY A VIDEO CAMERA!

well duh.. you report rumors as they come in .. what do you expect?

also .. it's not as if canon ever would have the DR on spec sheets.. so how would someone know? even if it's announced we won't know.

The trouble with DR as a spec is if you measure DR to international standards the review sites call bullshit saying the lowest few stops are not 'usable'. Whereas if you measure the DR the same as a review site does it is subjective, they choose the noise floor value so it isn't consistent or necessarily relevant for your uses.
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

kevl said:
Given the video specs listed above how exactly would adding CFast cards to the body help you or lessen your disappointment?

You can be disappointed about the specs they chose to hit, but it doesn't make sense to be bothered by a lack of CFast cards that would not benefit ANY user of a camera with those specs...

neuroanatomist said:
How do you figure that?

5DIV (rumored) specs
• 24/30fps @ 4K
• 60fps @ 1080
• 120fps @ 720

1D X II specs
• 24/30/50/60fps @ 4K
• 120fps @ 1080

A fast CF will do fine with 30fps @ 4K or 60fps @ 1080, so it would seem the only way the 5DIV's use of CF is a 'major disappointment' for video shooters is if you assume Canon would have given the 5DIV the same video specs as the 1D X II if only they'd put a CFast slot in the 5DIV. Is that what you're suggesting? If so, it's time for you to submit your travel visa application to dilbertland...

Because there's a very decent chance that the reason the specs are so limited is because of the CF limitation (more likely lower specs chosen first for product differentation and then CF used as a result of lower specs but same result). For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body. In addition, lack of CFast means a hard limit on potential for ML RAW down the road.
 
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dilbert said:
Card speed is also important for when you are reading images from the card and onto your computer.

Yes, because the time to transfer a set of RAW images with a CF card and a fast reader (eSATA, USB3, FW800) is such a large fraction of the time it takes to process the RAW images, if you don't really give a crap about effectively processing your images. I hear that is often the case...in dilbertland.
 
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raptor3x said:
For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body.

Well, many people are probably hoping that Canon decides to sell the 5DIV for $1500, or better yet gives them away for free. It must hurt when reality slaps you in the face... ::)
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

raptor3x said:
Because there's a very decent chance that the reason the specs are so limited is because of the CF limitation. For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body.

What?! You really think that ceteris paribus the specs would be magically better if only Canon were to include a CFast slot? Either you engineer the whole camera (sensor, bus, buffer, image processor, I/O processor, heat sink, etc) to support the bandwidth of CFast, accepting that the MSRP will be whatever, or you design the hardware to match the predefined price point, in which case CFast is unnecessary.
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

neuroanatomist said:
raptor3x said:
For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body.

Well, many people are probably hoping that Canon decides to sell the 5DIV for $1500, or better yet gives them away for free. It must hurt when reality slaps you in the face... ::)

I left it out in the first version of the post but CF is also a major limiter to MagicLantern development. The 5D3 is already capable of 4K RAW except that the CF simply don't have the bandwidth to support it. The 1DXii could obviously support such development but Canon has made it very clear that the ML folks are not to touch the 1D series else they face legal consequences. I don't disagree with you that expecting all the video features of the 1DXii but at half the price may not be realistic, but then again Sony is offering something close to that already with the A7Sii and A7Rii and I would be surprised if they don't add 4k/60p to their next generation. Finally just because the 5D4 specs say it does 4k @ 24/30 fps doesn't necessarily mean it will have anywhere near the bit rate of the 1DXii. We'll have to wait until we have more information before we can make any sort of real assessment.
 
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dilbert said:
Eldar said:
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2x64GB 1066x Lexar is currently on offer for $109 at B&H. Canon's decision to keep CF is a clearly positive.

Old technology always goes on sale for "cheap" prices once it becomes clear that the ability to sell it in the future is limited. Lexar, B&H and others can already see the market for CF shrinking so they want to clear out as much of their expensive stock that they've got lots of.

Just tossing it out there that cost for cfast will not go down and match the cost of CF like everyone seems to think here, not for a long long time. there just aren't enough devises out on the market that create demand for cfast, which means production won't upscale and without that, cfast stays at lower production levels and carries a higher cost. In 5 years this may change, well, in 5 years this will change but in 5 years we'll have the 5dmk5 and 1dx3 and 5ds2.

One thing to note as a definite stumbling block here --- SD is universal, you can use it in pentax, sony, panosonic, olympus, nikon. CF is used in most of these too, but, when it comes to the next level, there is the nikon canon split with cfast and xqd. if and when xqd fails and nikon adopts cfast for their d* series bodies (and maybe even D8**) then maybe that could help ramp up demand which will mean ramped up production ----then you get less cost. But hell, the d750 only uses SD cards, and most to all mass market consumer products are also using SD.

And so the old adage remains - if it ain't broke don't fix it. CF is perfectly fine for most to all needs of most 5d series users. Cfast on the other hand, it's a gamble. It's odd because on some fronts we have ---bigger = better, more mpix and 4k or it's not worth watching, but, on the other hand we have a culture that wants smaller, more internet sharing friendly formats. Even video on my 3 year old phone is too big to post to facebook without being mashed to bits - why is this something that matters? Well, where does the consumer video market go? Are people in that segment screaming for video that is only shown via projector, huge, home cinema style 100" televisions with 10k res???? Or, are they looking for net sharing, phone and tablet viewing. If it's the latter, then cfast will move to more and more consumer products (this will drop the price). If it's the former though, then cfast, xqd, and CF get crushed by the smallest, cheapest, most universal and (IMO) crapiest formate --- SD.

Last statement, totally agree with neuro on the point that adding cfast to the 5d4, for a huge part of it's potential userbase is just adding extra cost for no real world gain. The only segment that cfast helps is video folks. On the still shooter side, unless your shooting fast action, you rarely ever find situations where you couldve gotten that shot if only you had faster memory cards. I miss more due to slow flash recycle time, lol. All cfast does for a still shooter like me is add an extra $600 or so to the cost of the system. That comes with absulutely no gain. I'd rather spend that $600 on advertising, flash modifiers, beer and whiskey....
 
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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

Sharlin said:
raptor3x said:
Because there's a very decent chance that the reason the specs are so limited is because of the CF limitation. For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body.

What?! You really think that ceteris paribus the specs would be magically better if only Canon were to include a CFast slot? Either you engineer the whole camera (bus, processor, heat sink, etc) to support the bandwidth of CFast, accepting that the MSRP will be whatever, or you design the hardware to match the predefined price point, in which case CFast is unnecessary.

Well, yeah...if you want to use logic and reason. But, "We all wanted 1-series features for a 5-series price and it would have been so easy for Canon to do that but they didn't becuase they want to screw us and they're evil bastards who are headed for corporate failure and bankruptcy," sound so much better, right? ;)
 
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Sharlin said:
raptor3x said:
Because there's a very decent chance that the reason the specs are so limited is because of the CF limitation. For the given specs of the 5DIV then CF will be fine, but I suspect many of the video people (of which I am not one) were hoping for the video features of the 1DXII in a cheaper 5D style body.

What?! You really think that ceteris paribus the specs would be magically better if only Canon were to include a CFast slot? Either you engineer the whole camera (sensor, bus, buffer, image processor, I/O processor, heat sink, etc) to support the bandwidth of CFast, accepting that the MSRP will be whatever, or you design the hardware to match the predefined price point, in which case CFast is unnecessary.

See the edit; what I meant was that the lack of CFast really signals that the 5D4 will simply be less of a video camera than the 1DXii. That said, the 5D3 is capable of supporting much much higher bit rates than the vanilla camera provides and is really limited by the CF slot so your silly scenario actually does have historical precedence.
 
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