*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

that's the same as the 1DC:

The Canon 1DC uses Motion Jpeg / YUV 4:2:2 to compress the massive 4k 24p resolution video files. It's a variable bit rate of around 500 Mbps that will change depending on the shot and ISO level.

and most likely the same as the 1DX Mark II .. so no.. something they've already done.

7 fps is a bit of a downer.

Who knows... but that with the motion JPEG could be only in this DSLR... Not quite acquainted if anyone else has it... 1DC IMO doesn't count.

I said I wouldn't buy 5Dm3 for the lack of wi-fi. Now I will buy this one for that particular feature (aside from the updated specs, of course).

7fps is a downer. Agree.

the 1dx mark II does .. so no. not unique.

nothing that has been reported YET is something that is unique to canon DSLR's...

so far.

 

[privatebydesign]

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I would never deliver an image at 3200 with the 2.8L but I can with the IS II.

.... and I actually did deliver the one from the 2.8L - just don't remember it being at 3200 and only found it now by searching in Lr.

I need say no more...........

 

[Diko]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

....
and most likely the same as the 1DX Mark II .. so no.. something they've already done.

..... 1DC IMO doesn't count.......

the 1dx mark II does .. so no. not unique.

OOoops I've missed that line.

Anyway. So far then I see nothing new feature-wise. :/

And still there is NO CR3 label :-(

 

[Loswr]

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When I have an idea that I think has an impact on my photography I take the time to test it.

Bingo. Half-assed comparisons aren't really useful for anyone – especially the one doing them if they lead to an erroneous conclusion. If it matters to you, test it properly. If that's done, you have evidence that should be convincing. If you document it, it may help others, which is always nice. For example:

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

holy crap .. you three need a different thread.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

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and most likely the same as the 1DX Mark II .. so no.. something they've already done.

..... 1DC IMO doesn't count.......

the 1dx mark II does .. so no. not unique.

OOoops I've missed that line.

Anyway. So far then I see nothing new feature-wise. :/

And still there is NO CR3 label :-(

we won't know the full specs until late next week going by past releases.

but yes.. i'm curious on the unique feature. I'm hoping for some sort of EVF or EVF attachment capability.

 

[haupt]

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SIDEnote: I didn't know there existed 8 inch floppy, nor that there is still a vendor with a classy 1999 website that still produce them.

Well, as long as they are required for the US nuclear forces you can probably make profit making them - http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/677436.pdf

 

[KarstenReis]

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Good to go:
4:2:2 <> 8bit 500mbps MJPEG - could that be the great thing about ONLY-CANON-has-it-perhaps-for-the-first time?

7 FPS - just like my good old Canon 40D

that's the same as the 1DC:

The Canon 1DC uses Motion Jpeg / YUV 4:2:2 to compress the massive 4k 24p resolution video files. It's a variable bit rate of around 500 Mbps that will change depending on the shot and ISO level.

and most likely the same as the 1DX Mark II .. so no.. something they've already done.

7 fps is a bit of a downer.

Agree on the 7fps. I wouldn't have minded a shade fewer mp for a faster fps. This is right in a weird spot for getting a second body to compliment my 5DsR.

 

[Jack Douglas]

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I like the technical information that gets "extracted" from "arguments". Just don't take things personally and have fun like in a friendly debate. Personally, I'd much rather be illuminated than be deluded by something that I'd prefer to believe but may not be factual. It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong but that the points of view get expressed and discussed; win-win for all of us.

Jack

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Good to go:
4:2:2 <> 8bit 500mbps MJPEG - could that be the great thing about ONLY-CANON-has-it-perhaps-for-the-first time?

7 FPS - just like my good old Canon 40D

that's the same as the 1DC:

The Canon 1DC uses Motion Jpeg / YUV 4:2:2 to compress the massive 4k 24p resolution video files. It's a variable bit rate of around 500 Mbps that will change depending on the shot and ISO level.

and most likely the same as the 1DX Mark II .. so no.. something they've already done.

7 fps is a bit of a downer.

Agree on the 7fps. I wouldn't have minded a shade fewer mp for a faster fps. This is right in a weird spot for getting a second body to compliment my 5DsR.

kind of amusing how spoiled we are .. it will be the fastest full frame camera under the 1 series or the Dx series bodies.

but we're all looking at it going .. is that all?

 

[Tugela]

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They are going to struggle to write 500 mbps without a CFast card. That is 62.5 MB/s sustained write. It is not going to be a super user friendly camera for shooting 4K by the looks of it. I would guess that you would have to use the CF slot for that.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

They are going to struggle to write 500 mbps without a CFast card. That is 62.5 MB/s sustained write. It is not going to be a super user friendly camera for shooting 4K by the looks of it. I would guess that you would have to use the CF slot for that.

1DC does it just fine.

UHS-II SD cards should be just fine as well.

 

[kevl]

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Apparently it's ok for some users to insult other users but not ok for all users to insult each other.

You guys win! The softness of the 2.8L doesn't make noise any more of an issue. You've convinced me through shaming and moderation. I will now repent.

 

[Talley]

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They are going to struggle to write 500 mbps without a CFast card. That is 62.5 MB/s sustained write. It is not going to be a super user friendly camera for shooting 4K by the looks of it. I would guess that you would have to use the CF slot for that.

1DC does it just fine.

UHS-II SD cards should be just fine as well.

This. The CF cards I have sustain 90MB/s write speed. No issues.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

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7 FPS - just like my good old Canon 40D

Hats off to you for having the only 40D body in the world that can shoot 7FPS . It shoots 6.3FPS max, 0.2FPS slower than the advertised "6.5FPS". This was before the CIPA testing standardization.

I presume the ISO would be around 104k where 25K would be the hard limit for any descent photo.

You prefer ISO settings Nikon-style like 3.2Million ISO in the D5, which in testing was slightly worse than 1Dx2 that "only" reached 51200. This thread, as expected, has attracted the drive-by Noink trolls from DPR and similar equipment measurebating sites.

 

[Maiaibing]

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7 FPS - just like my good old Canon 40D

7 fps is a bit of a downer.

Agree on the 7fps. I wouldn't have minded a shade fewer mp for a faster fps. This is right in a weird spot for getting a second body to compliment my 5DsR.

Yup. 5 fps vs 7 fps not really significant. Somehow it seems the 5D-series will never make it into high fps territory.

Hmmmm.

As it looks now superior high iso will likely be the deciding factor for me. I'll probably preorder and hope the first iso tests come out just before delivery for my final take. Here's hoping for 2 stops better than the 5DS/R.

Touch screen, wifi and 30 MPIX are all attractive, but the 5DS/R is just so damn nice...

 

[unfocused]

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...if you downsample the 50 MP sensor to 20 MP, the noise will be the same...

Thanks Neuro,

But this still leaves me wondering...

...The manufacturers have been fighting consumer preconceived prejudices for ever...market forces have obviously proven the high pixel versions are not economical...

I appreciate the discussion. I must admit that when I review this and then try to reconcile it with past demonstrations by both Neuro and PDB that have shown examples of some pretty severe crops using cameras with sensors under 20 mp which don't seem to suffer significantly, I'm coming to the conclusion that MP counts may be the least relevant specification out there.

 

[Ozarker]

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Clearly, Canon is doomed. So doomed in fact that I've 90% settled on buying a 1DX II. Oh but someone here said the 120fps looked like junk. Yeah, no. For those who want/need a fast action stills body like I do that can also do great (albeit perhaps not the THE best) video, I've become convinced. This link is a great short video that was done by a guy who shoots professionally with RED Cinema gear and bought the DX2 as a B cam. In a conversation I had with him tonight, he could not have been more praising of the DX2's cinematic prowess for what it is. Technical aspects of this are wonderful, and there are some very lovely ladies scantily clad in it. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H948Lq7SYbA

Sweet.

I'm completely unimpressed with the shadow detail around the bent over thongs.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I read CR for the humour.

Jack

 

[privatebydesign]

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...if you downsample the 50 MP sensor to 20 MP, the noise will be the same...

Thanks Neuro,

But this still leaves me wondering...

...The manufacturers have been fighting consumer preconceived prejudices for ever...market forces have obviously proven the high pixel versions are not economical...

I appreciate the discussion. I must admit that when I review this and then try to reconcile it with past demonstrations by both Neuro and PDB that have shown examples of some pretty severe crops using cameras with sensors under 20 mp which don't seem to suffer significantly, I'm coming to the conclusion that MP counts may be the least relevant specification out there.

As always there are caveats. I am using studio lights on location more and more and I am trying to push bigger prints. In these situations where I can control light and contrast and camera stability I am setting up the situation where I can realise the smaller pixels resolution potential.

We all have different specific needs, for me the key to all this tech is to work out how and when it can work for you, and if it will ever work against you.

I am very interested to see the output from the 5D MkIV and my interest is very narrow, specifically I am interested in the low iso image quality.