*UPDATED* Here's an Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap
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I am a sports photographer (not exclusively, but it accounts for well over half of my paid photography work) and I can tell you, the current state of technology is far from adequate. Of course, the handful of photographers who cover professional and top tier college sports have a different workflow than those of us who shoot small college sports.
The Sports Illustrated level photographers are part of teams, all engaged in getting the images processed immediately. Some use wireless transfer, but some also use a LAN. They have someone else to sort through the images and edit them on the fly. That's a luxury that the majority of working stiffs don't have. I am a one man band. I skim through the images during time outs or halftime or after the game as time permits, rate the ones that have possibilities and then download them to my computer (or laptop) where I spend the next few hours sorting and editing before posting the best shots to the school's athletic pages. Usually at about 2 a.m.
If you looked around, you'd know there are a great many more people like me than like the big outfits. Most AP bureaus are lucky to have one photographer to do everything. Newspapers have cut back their photo departments and are asking reporters to double as photographers.
The point is that for people like me, a few simple changes that are readily available on virtually every phone in the world, would be welcome and doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Mikehit said:
I am a sports photographer (not exclusively, but it accounts for well over half of my paid photography work) and I can tell you, the current state of technology is far from adequate. Of course, the handful of photographers who cover professional and top tier college sports have a different workflow than those of us who shoot small college sports.
The Sports Illustrated level photographers are part of teams, all engaged in getting the images processed immediately. Some use wireless transfer, but some also use a LAN. They have someone else to sort through the images and edit them on the fly. That's a luxury that the majority of working stiffs don't have. I am a one man band. I skim through the images during time outs or halftime or after the game as time permits, rate the ones that have possibilities and then download them to my computer (or laptop) where I spend the next few hours sorting and editing before posting the best shots to the school's athletic pages. Usually at about 2 a.m.
If you looked around, you'd know there are a great many more people like me than like the big outfits. Most AP bureaus are lucky to have one photographer to do everything. Newspapers have cut back their photo departments and are asking reporters to double as photographers.
The point is that for people like me, a few simple changes that are readily available on virtually every phone in the world, would be welcome and doesn't seem like too much to ask.
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As usual, we aren't that far apart.
I agree that there is not a swarm of professional wedding shooters who want to "Facebook" images on the fly. What I do believe is that the market is headed in that direction and smart photographers are getting prepared for that. I also agree that most have already figured out their own workarounds. But that's really the point. Why should they have to have workarounds? If a company is going to supply equipment to a professional market, don't they owe it to the market to make their equipment as convenient to use as possible. The point is that all of the manufacturers have done a crappy job of making internet connectivity easy and practical. Whether it is done in-camera or on a iPad isn't really the point. The point is that Camera manufacturers have done diddly squat to make it easy. I don't think you disagree with that.
As for the rest of your post, yes, those are legitimate issues as well and I totally agree.
privatebydesign said:
As usual, we aren't that far apart.
I agree that there is not a swarm of professional wedding shooters who want to "Facebook" images on the fly. What I do believe is that the market is headed in that direction and smart photographers are getting prepared for that. I also agree that most have already figured out their own workarounds. But that's really the point. Why should they have to have workarounds? If a company is going to supply equipment to a professional market, don't they owe it to the market to make their equipment as convenient to use as possible. The point is that all of the manufacturers have done a crappy job of making internet connectivity easy and practical. Whether it is done in-camera or on a iPad isn't really the point. The point is that Camera manufacturers have done diddly squat to make it easy. I don't think you disagree with that.
As for the rest of your post, yes, those are legitimate issues as well and I totally agree.
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Re: Here's an Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap
Apparently you missed this exchange:
Mike, I usually agree with you. But on this one, you are just wrong. I think you are falling into the same trap as Neuro, which is to dismiss everything AvTVM and other Canon Critics say because they usually get a lot wrong. I'm a proud member of the Canon Defense League, but when it comes to connectivity, all of the manufacturers screwed up and it cost them dearly.
Mikehit said:
Apparently you missed this exchange:
unfocused said:
Mike, I usually agree with you. But on this one, you are just wrong. I think you are falling into the same trap as Neuro, which is to dismiss everything AvTVM and other Canon Critics say because they usually get a lot wrong. I'm a proud member of the Canon Defense League, but when it comes to connectivity, all of the manufacturers screwed up and it cost them dearly.
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Apparently you missed this exchange (although with the big, animated winky emoticon I'm honestly not sure how, but in any case I'll highlight the relevant bit):
Hope that more clearly clarifies.
unfocused said:
Apparently you missed this exchange (although with the big, animated winky emoticon I'm honestly not sure how, but in any case I'll highlight the relevant bit):
neuroanatomist said:unfocused said:neuroanatomist said:unfocused said:
Why oh why hasn't Canon come out with a dSLR with LTE, a Facebook app, Candy Crush, and a private browsing mode for porn? Clearly, their priorities are very misplaced.
Seriously? That's the best response you can come up with?
I'm actually beginning to think AvTvM's scorn is justified. How anyone can possibly deny that camera manufacturers seriously misread the market for internet connectivity is beyond me.
This isn't something I've made up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfCJDIf-NeA
Perhaps people who don't have to make a living with a camera and can simply play with pictures at their leisure don't get it. But, if top of the line cameras are truly supposed to be for professionals working under pressure and under deadline, it's a failure if manufacturers can't make their equipment connect as easily as a smart phone.
I guess the references to Candy Crush and porn weren't adequate. Seriously, let me try that again.
See that winky thing above? Yuk it up, these are the jokes.
For the record, yes, camera manufacturers should certainly have built better connectivity into their products by now. And no, I don't play Candy Crush, nor do I think Canon should promote viewing of porn on their ILCs.
Hope that clarifies.
Hope that more clearly clarifies.
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) cameras will be nothing but a lens, sensor and WiFi network component. All else will be controlled from the user's personal device (smartphone/tablet, etc).
Sorta. They're a terrible gauge of what the overall market wants but probably a much better gauge of what the market doesn't care about. On forums you'll see pages-upon-pages of tantrum-like demands for this or that feature, and proclamations about what it should cost. Near-silence on enthusiast forums is near-silence from the most demanding customers. It's like a blackjack player: if he stands you don't know what he has; if he takes a hit you have a good idea he didn't already have 21.unfocused said:
I don't disagree. I certainly wouldn't mind having it. You mark my words! As I've said before, in (mumble-mumble) years (
) cameras will be nothing but a lens, sensor and WiFi network component. All else will be controlled from the user's personal device (smartphone/tablet, etc).Sure, and the market will sort that out. Film photographers have mostly given way to digital, etc. It'll work out somehow.
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I get the feeling we are all arguing over things we basically agree on. All camera manufacturers have done a crappy job of implementing wireless connectivity. They should have done better. That is water under the bridge. We hope they do better in the future.
I get the feeling we are all arguing over things we basically agree on. All camera manufacturers have done a crappy job of implementing wireless connectivity. They should have done better. That is water under the bridge. We hope they do better in the future.
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Thank you for the explanation, unfocused - it is always good to know the perspective from which someone is making a comment. As said in the last few posts our viewpoints have a lot in common and improvements in connectivity will certainly come driven by the needs of professionals and semi-professionals. As I see it the camera manufacturers have been hit from different sides in a pretty short time and they can't defend all those areas in one action. I fear photography with dedicated cameras is heading to where it was pre-1990 where people had compacts or no camera at all and relied on something called memory and both of those are now replaced by smartphones.
Maybe one move is for CaNikon to make their own phones specifically designed to act as a link with their camera?
unfocused said:
Thank you for the explanation, unfocused - it is always good to know the perspective from which someone is making a comment. As said in the last few posts our viewpoints have a lot in common and improvements in connectivity will certainly come driven by the needs of professionals and semi-professionals. As I see it the camera manufacturers have been hit from different sides in a pretty short time and they can't defend all those areas in one action. I fear photography with dedicated cameras is heading to where it was pre-1990 where people had compacts or no camera at all and relied on something called memory and both of those are now replaced by smartphones.
Maybe one move is for CaNikon to make their own phones specifically designed to act as a link with their camera?
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my preferred solution would be modular cameras. Canon [Nikon, Sony, Fuji, whoever] builds body chassis with mount and few hard control points [shutter trigger, 1 mode dial, 1 front wheel, 1 back wheel, 4 function buttons] + sensor + CPU/image pipeline electronics + AF system electronics/CPU + built-in EVF.
On back of camera is an easily adaptable, clever, fully articulated (!) attachment for smartphone of your choice. Plus suitable APP from camera maker to form core of user interface and menu system ... in case of Canon just like built-in touch LCD on EOS M series. Smartphone does what it does best: it handles all communications, ***, motion sensors, etc.
my preferred solution would be modular cameras. Canon [Nikon, Sony, Fuji, whoever] builds body chassis with mount and few hard control points [shutter trigger, 1 mode dial, 1 front wheel, 1 back wheel, 4 function buttons] + sensor + CPU/image pipeline electronics + AF system electronics/CPU + built-in EVF.
On back of camera is an easily adaptable, clever, fully articulated (!) attachment for smartphone of your choice. Plus suitable APP from camera maker to form core of user interface and menu system ... in case of Canon just like built-in touch LCD on EOS M series. Smartphone does what it does best: it handles all communications, ***, motion sensors, etc.
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The smart phone is connected to the internet 24/7 and you pay your phone carrier a monthly fee for the privilege of internet access. When you are connecting your camera to your home wi-fi you are also paying them a monthly fee for internet access. Smart phones also take small pictures to save on bandwidth. To have your camera have the same convenience as the smart phone anywhere at anytime you would still have to pay someone for the internet access. Why bother. Just take out your smart phone, fire away and share your pictures. It costs you no more than what you are already paying. You most likely have the smart phone with you anyway.
Let the smart phone manufacturers do their thing and let the camera manufacturers do their thing. It is that simple.
The smart phone is connected to the internet 24/7 and you pay your phone carrier a monthly fee for the privilege of internet access. When you are connecting your camera to your home wi-fi you are also paying them a monthly fee for internet access. Smart phones also take small pictures to save on bandwidth. To have your camera have the same convenience as the smart phone anywhere at anytime you would still have to pay someone for the internet access. Why bother. Just take out your smart phone, fire away and share your pictures. It costs you no more than what you are already paying. You most likely have the smart phone with you anyway.
Let the smart phone manufacturers do their thing and let the camera manufacturers do their thing. It is that simple.
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