Why Scott Kelby Switched to Canon

[jeffa4444]

The video was serious bull shit. Ive always been a Canon guy for SLRs / DSLRs I also use Olympus Pen cameras because of size and actually the Olympus glass is pretty good.
For me to change to Nikon would have to be more than skin tones and a few menu functions are we seriosly saying their is such a gulf between Nikon & Canon regarding skin tones I dont think so.

 

[TeenTog]

Basically, he's spinning BS for the benefit of his Nikon subscribers to NAPP which I think is dishonest if not explicitly it is self-deceiving

Obviously he said the things he did to do a bit of damage control, but he explicitly stated that he wasn't being paid (directly, at least) to switch. He added a couple reasons why he switched, which I think is totally fair if not expected. Although I'm sure "because I wanna" was a factor in Kelby switching to Canon, I'm finding it hard to believe that he wouldn't have any other reasons to switch, or that he shouldn't share them with the subjects of his empire. His points were all valid, and didn't sound BS to me. Overall Kelby is a pretty decent human being, and doesn't seem the type to deliberately pull things over people's eyes

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I also bought Kelby books. Terrible waste of money and paper, that haunts and pains me for a few years already, every time I see trees :'(
Personally I'll try to keep out of my mind that switch.

Could you kindly guide me to a book that you've written on photographic excellence, so I can gain some valuable knowledge.

I could ask the same about books YOU wrote
Anyway I prefer focus on subject, detailed inside-out explanations down to paradoxes that Michael Freeman delivers.

Naaah, I don't have the same talent like you, since you sounded so sure about his books being a "waste of money" and that it is "haunting you for so many years", I figured you might've written a book or two on photographic excellence ... if you haven't written one already, its perhaps the haunting experience, which is holding you back ... I blame Kelby for this irrepairable loss, damn you Scott Kelby ;D

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Are you sure you are not offended? .. coz Joshmurrah's comments do not sound like a person who is offended ... but your comments about him being "born and raised in disneyland" sound a bit personal and it looks like you are somehow offended by what he said.

I'm offended by just about everything and everybody. Anyone who is not is probably delusional.

That is a great philosophy to live by ;D ... Dale Carnegie shold have included that in his book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" ;D

 

[robinlamkie]

Kelby camera images are usually of a generic black camera.

 

[sanj]

My take on menu systems is that it does not matter. It is all about getting used to. People use different phones, cameras, computer operating systems etc and get used to the menu with use and a study of the manual.

Onces they are used to it they get by just fine. But when they change device they have to re-learn and feel that the earlier system was easier until they time they learn the new system and are comfortable again.

 

[MLfan3]

Boy, there's some SERIOUS hate and bickering in this thread.

If you honestly believe this is true, I think you must have been born and raised in Disneyland.

What I see are people saying what they think, and that's a fine thing. Thanks to good mods and posters, we don't have actual flame wars here.

If someone's opinion offends you, deal with it.


no need to be so hard on the guy since most of us actually use more than one camera systems here.
I mean no need the "born and raised in Disneyland" comment.

No one goes through this world without being offended. Life is about being offended. How you cope with it determines how successful, happy you are.

One thing I'd ask: If Kelby is so smart, why did it take him so long to figure out that Canon is superior? And another, why did it take Canon so long to get in the game and recruit him?

 

[MLfan3]

As an aside, I think it's particularly weird that people feel the need to accuse Mr. Kelby of somehow "selling out" or being dishonest because he likes Canon cameras and is saying so.

No one is accusing anyone because no crime has been committed.

Mr Kelby is a well known photography expert, and as such his words have more impact than mine, yours, this whole forum put together. He is a living ad machine: companies know it and so does he. So I guess it's smart to at least wonder if he might have untold reasons for declaring this or that. Same as Ken Rockwell is not, by and large, considered the most unbiased reviewer.

The whole thing depends on how likely you think it is that Mr Kelby never got a chance to play with a 1Dx before 6 months ago, then it was love at first sight. For all his talk about ergonomy, skin tones and UI, I would say with any Canon camera at all, actually. How likely it is that someone like him has to "switch system" instead of just adding Canon gear to his Nikon kit. And please mind the fact that switching means making a mutually-exclusive choice. It's either this or that.

I believe he has been using Canon and Nikon stuff, and probably also Sony, Leica and whatnot (he is a gear geek by his own admission) for a long time. In the past he had reasons to present himself as a Nikon guy, now he has reasons to claim a "switch" to Canon. All fine for him, but let's try not to infer universal photographic truths out of this.

well said I think you are right , many of celeb pros like Scott have access to many many brand systems.
and many of us here use many many camera systems.
Ipersonally use Sony Canon and Nikon but I do not have plan to sell any of them anytime soon.
so I guess I cannot understand why some one rich like him has to make a poor switch from brand a to b when even a poor man like me can afford keeping all my 3 or 4 camera systems intact.

so he is dishonest and I am sure he is shooting many many brands kit when no TV cameras catch him.
he is a rich guy he can afford keeping all his Nikon and add Canon if he really thinks Canon skin tone is that much better than that of Nikon(personally I agree with him on the skin tone comment though).

 

[MLfan3]

Based on DXO tests (i.e. "on paper"), no, the 1D X high ISO is theoretically the same as the D4. However, from a visual standpoint, I've seen ISO 16000 images and even some ISO 51200 sports images from a 1D X that simply blow me away...similar images from the D4 just don't engender the same feeling of low noise and clean quality.

That is because the DXO tests are CRAP. What a "sensor" rating is versus the pictures produced and the capabilities of the bodies are two VERY different things

Which would your want - Nikon D600 or Nikon D4 as a pro camera... According to DXO marks, the "sensor" on the D600 is close to 10% better than the D4.

easy, if you do not shoot any sports, then go for the D610, which has vastly better sensor than the D4.
but what Nikon did to us D600/D800 owners , I cannnot tolerate the D610 around me , so I did not buy it.
but if there was no dust issue or shutter issue , it is a better all around camera than the D4 or the D800.
I had all the 3 and I kept the D800E.
honestly, the D4 is you know a weak camera , the 1DX is a much better body , this is why Nikon only Nikon updates its sports camera.

 

[MLfan3]

I too am thinking about switching to Canon. I am getting more and more into video and it would be cool to someday make the transition to something like the C100 seamlessly.
Not sure my reasons are totally logical though. Nikon has been screwing up badly with the D600 and then not acknowledging the issues even exist. Plus most video guys are already using Canon or Panny

What kind of loss would I take by switching though? The thought of taking a huge loss on my D800 and all my glass keeps me with Nikon for now.

I think you may want to get a 5D3+ 2 AF lenses in addition to your current Nikon set up and use an adapter to use all your Nikon lenses.
I have only 3 Canon AF lenses and 6 Zeiss primes, Nikon old D primes and some Samyong primes for Nikon and I use all my F mount lenses on both and Sony.

in this way keeping many systems is not that expensive , when I need fast AF , then I use Canon 5D3 + 70-200mm L IS lens , the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8VR is a ok lens but not as good as the Sony or Canon similar zooms.
the Sony 135mm f1.8 ZA is a super sharp lens and this and 50mm f1.4ZA , I always keep at least on A mount camera.
there is ntohing wrong about having many cameras from many different brands , only die hard fanboys hate the idea or deny it.

all brands are good , but for AF or video , I think the 5D3 is the camera to get.
for sheer resolution or DR , the A7R is the best.
for extremely cold place , I think the OM1 is the camera to beat.
but if I have to keep only one camera , I 'd get the A99v or the 5D3, they are extremely versatile.
the D800E does many things ok but it cannot be the best in any particular area of photography.
the TSE lenses are better than Nikon PCE , so for buildings or interior , the A7R + Canon tSE beats the Nikon D800E + PCE set up.

so try the Canon but do not sell the Nikon before you test them side by side in real life for a month or so.
even then , I do not recommend selling either, keep both and share the F mount lenses for most of things.

 

[Sella174]

Now you know ... one day or another we all learn about things we were ignorant of, today it was your turn

I have learned many things, which in retrospect I would have preferred to have stayed blissfully ignorant of.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Now you know ... one day or another we all learn about things we were ignorant of, today it was your turn

I have learned many things, which in retrospect I would have preferred to have stayed blissfully ignorant of.

Don't we all ;D ... Peace. Have a nice day.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

so he is dishonest and I am sure he is shooting many many brands kit when no TV cameras catch him.

Holy sh!t! ??? ??? ???

 

[9VIII]

The video was serious bull S___. Ive always been a Canon guy for SLRs / DSLRs I also use Olympus Pen cameras because of size and actually the Olympus glass is pretty good.
For me to change to Nikon would have to be more than skin tones and a few menu functions are we seriosly saying their is such a gulf between Nikon & Canon regarding skin tones I dont think so.

Note that he didn't get rid of his Nikon gear, he said he hasn't used it in a while, but he still has it.

This isn't a "switching" event, it's actually a "discovering" event. If you were offered a free Nikon D4 and lens kit I'm sure you wouldn't have to think for very long.

 

[CanNotYet]

In re: the question of ergonomics.

I was having a discussion on metering techniques with a group of people and said that when I meter off of an 18% grey surface like the Lastolite EZBalance, I bump the meter needle a little to the right of center to increase exposure by 1/3 to 2/3 stops.

Whereupon a Nikon shooter in the group said that Nikon meters are backwards and the needle moves left at exposure increases.

My only response was, "In what bizaro universe do increasing values on a number line go right to left, instead of left to right."

I could get used to a lot of things but that one I'm not sure I would ever be able to adapt to.

Well, in the bizarro universe of Arabic, maybe? The reason we think increasing goes left to right is because we write that way, left to right. Arabic is written right to left, making the practice of increasing right to left thoroughly logical.

Come to think of if, Chinese/Japanese is, if I do not misremember, traditionally written top-to-bottom, making an increasing scale where higher numbers are lower, a logical choice. (Although I would find that even harder to get used to)

Anyway, as someone said earlier, it is customizable. (as it should be)

 

[cayenne]

If you listen to and pay attention to Kelby, it's clear that he's a business man first, a Photoshop guy 2nd, and shooting is a distant third at best. Like many others in this forum, I find it very unlikely that the shooter made the decision; it surely was the business man.

Actor Headshots NYC | Gotham Family Photos | NY Wedding Photographer

Nothing wrong with that.....everyone has to earn a living.

C

 

[gbchriste]

In re: the question of ergonomics.

I was having a discussion on metering techniques with a group of people and said that when I meter off of an 18% grey surface like the Lastolite EZBalance, I bump the meter needle a little to the right of center to increase exposure by 1/3 to 2/3 stops.

Whereupon a Nikon shooter in the group said that Nikon meters are backwards and the needle moves left at exposure increases.

My only response was, "In what bizaro universe do increasing values on a number line go right to left, instead of left to right."

I could get used to a lot of things but that one I'm not sure I would ever be able to adapt to.

Well, in the bizarro universe of Arabic, maybe? The reason we think increasing goes left to right is because we write that way, left to right. Arabic is written right to left, making the practice of increasing right to left thoroughly logical.

Come to think of if, Chinese/Japanese is, if I do not misremember, traditionally written top-to-bottom, making an increasing scale where higher numbers are lower, a logical choice. (Although I would find that even harder to get used to)

Anyway, as someone said earlier, it is customizable. (as it should be)

I was trained in Modern Hebrew by the United States Air Force and worked as a Hebrew-English translator for 7 years so I'm intimately familiar with the textual representation of numbers in other language systems. Dating from Biblical times, written Hebrew can sometimes use letters of the alphabet to represent numbers e.g. aleph (the first Hebrew letter) = 1, bet (the second Hebrew letter) = 2, and so on. And when combined to form larger numbers, those letters are indeed written from right to left.

However, the representation of numeric values in written text or oral speech is not the same thing as a mathematical and visual representation of the behavior of those values. I would bet my next pay check that when a Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, or any other nationality of student sits down in school and opens their geometry text to the section on Cartesian coordinates, the X values increase to the right and decrease to the left.

If a Chinese colleague and I are standing on opposite sides of the Prime Meridian - he to the east and me to the west - and we both have our GPS devices set to display coordinates in degrees-decimal format - his bought in Beijing, mine in Washington DC - his longitude will be displayed as a positive number, mine as a negative number. The absolute value of those numbers will increase as we each move in opposite directions farther to the east and west, respectively - i.e. my values will decrease as I move left and his will increase as he moves right.

The speedometer in my Arabic friend's car shows increasing values as the dial moves clockwise (i.e. left to right) around the face.

There is no magic law that says it must be so. After all, north, south, east and west and how they are visually oriented on a map or globe are entirely arbitrary. We could just as easily have been socialized to accept Antarctica as the "top" of the world. But for now human kind has settled on a convention that says when visually depicting the progression of numerical values, those values increase from left to right (or bottom to top).

 

[mackguyver]

Wow, this has turned out to be a really bizarre thread. I thought people would be confused why he didn't mention lenses like the 85 1.2 II that Canon has over the Nikon system.

Or the fact that I want my 12 minutes back. I like Kelby (his books are great for beginners), but the video was long and not exactly interesting.

 

[unfocused]

...Or the fact that I want my 12 minutes back...the video was long and not exactly interesting.

Makes me glad I stopped it at about the 2 minute mark. I just wish I had done the same with this thread.

 

[mackguyver]

...Or the fact that I want my 12 minutes back...the video was long and not exactly interesting.

Makes me glad I stopped it at about the 2 minute mark. I just wish I had done the same with this thread.

LOL, I hear ya.