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Axilrod · Dec 6, 2012

This isn't Reddit man, this forum moves at a much slower pace than some, definitely too slow to warrant "bumping" twice in 10 minutes.

As for your question, I think the 6D would be adequate for what you're trying to do. Try out that with the 24-105 or 24-70 and just go from there, should be more than enough to keep you busy for a while.

K-amps · Dec 6, 2012

Kai made the 6D seem like Monkey Vomit.

dlleno · Dec 6, 2012

striking global economic parallels

skitron · Dec 6, 2012

dlleno said:
interesting observation skitron . whether its related or not, Roger over at lensrentals has done extensive testing on the AF accuracy ,and measures this via standard deviation of AF accuracy. His work showed that that auto focus of the 5d2 and 50d to be in the same ballpark. this makes me wonder of the AF "confirmation" behavior is different..

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/01/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

phase detection AF accuracy of the 6D was measured as being similar to the 5D2

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/11/30/autofocus-reality-revisited-how-does-the-Canon-eos-6d-measure-up

just FYI this is just interesting stuff

I saw Roger's stuff. The one thing I don't know about his test is whether he was always focusing "a single direction" or "both directions".

I was pretty surprised by the 50D performance since it had a band equvalent to about 7 AFMA clicks that it would confirm in. You could literally see it go OOF in the view finder (f1.4 so very shallow DOF) while very slowly turning the manual focus and it just kept on confirming, LOL. Who knows, maybe a bad body? I'll definitely check the 6D tomorrow for it, I doubt it will be like that, but it will be checked non the less.

7enderbender · Dec 6, 2012

crasher8 said:
After all the rebates, it's 199 from B&H, I think I'd be insane to not get this as I cannot get calibrated to my only local lab as well as I'd like. I use Epson 3880's at school off and on with impeccable results but I don't always have access.

Hmmmmmmmm….

They'd actually have to pay me to get into that game. I got one of those for free when I bought my 5DII and a few other things. Went right up on ebay without even opening the box.
Bummer about not getting things worked out with your local lab though. I've been doing ok with MPix and WHCC - an even the occasional quick Walmart print for what it is.
To me all this is still the biggest draw-back of digital photography. Ink-jet printouts are no real photographs in my book and they still lack in quality compared to my film prints from the 80s and early 90s before quality started to go south thanks to the scan-and-print approach that was adopted later.

Jamesy · Dec 6, 2012

pwp said:
killswitch said:

AdamJ said:

Yongnuo YN-622C transceivers: $90 per pair, complete functionality, perfect operation. Why pay more?

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I confirmed they do exactly whatever PW's Flex/Min can. ^_^

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That sounds GREAT! When you say they can do exactly what the PW Flex/Mini can do, does that include the brilliant Optimized High Speed Sync http://www.pocketwizard.com/inspirations/technology/fp_sync_hss/

Quoting from the PW website, "HSS is a battery hog as it needs a lot of power to pulse the light. Through extensive experimentation, we found a way to reduce the total power used while giving you more power, and thus more light, when you need it. This means more light (which equals greater working distance), faster recycling times and more flashes per battery set when shooting in Canon's HSS/FP Flash mode."

If it does this Yongnuo will win a LOT of new business. I'm first in line...

-PW

I believe, The 622c`s implement standard Canon wireless HSS, I doubt PW can give more power while using less battery but I suppose it is possible. Most of these radio systems just interpret and re-transmit the Canon optical/IR signals, I didn't think PW was any different.

Here is a pretty extensive review/discussion on the 622c's:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157631348234978/

For the money I can overlook the limitations of the 622c's. The exciting thing is there are a number of great systems out there now and more to come.

koolman · Dec 6, 2012

I live in Israel - and know the places you shot.

Being a very bright - sunny - blown out country - it is hard to get good stills.

Nice work.

schmidtfilme · Dec 6, 2012

Bosman said:
At this point getting a 5DM3 makes more sense being that its only $800 or so more unless the little wifi and gps thing floats your boat.

How does this comment make any sense? If you are a millionaire I agree. For normal people it totally doesn't make any sense at all. It is one third more. You can get an additional DX body or a great lense for that difference.

schmidtfilme · Dec 6, 2012

jamiegila said:
Right, thanks for the helpful videos and details from the manual, I get the sense that the canon mobile app has not yet worked the video out (aka crippled), although it doesn't make a lot of sense why given that it's very much in control of all the camera's functions, and EOS Utility allows you to shoot video, no problem (no digital zoom possible on the T3i).

Given that there are non-Canon apps that also allow control over the camera, including video like http://dslrcontroller.com/ with a wired connection, my guess is that someone, and maybe eventually Canon, will come up with a great iPad app that will allow remote video shooting.

In the mean time, I wonder if it would work to turn on Live View so you can monitor the focus and exposure on your iPhone or iPad, then when you want to trigger the video, you do so manually on the camera. Although, this wouldn't allow truly remote video shooting, it would likely work just fine for most applications where you just want to use the iPad as an off camera monitor and controller. This does not work on EOS Utility as far as I can tell, but maybe there's a way to allow control from both the computer and the camera.

The camera does turn off movie shooting when wifi is enabled. It does not seem to be an issue with the EOS remote.

Mt Spokane Photography · Dec 5, 2012

Tristan944 said:
It's been my experience that Canon "rebates" are fake, in that they save you no money. When I was buying my 7D + 18-135mm kit, a $300 rebate did not change the price. Same for the 70-200mm f4 is usm I just bought. Before the rebate the price on Amazon was $1200. Once the $150 rebate started, Amazon showed an MSRP or $1350 and sold it for $1200. The "rebate" wasn't a rebate. It was a marketing ploy to make people think the price has been lowered, when in reality, its the same price as before the rebate.

Now that Canon has MAP Pricing, the Rebates are real. Canon has always required that Rebates be given based on the MSRP, and, in the past, that has indeed resulted in higher prices at discount stores.
However, thats not the case any more.
$2099 for a 70-200mm MKII lens is a good deal, but I bet I can find one either for less, or in a package deal before the end of the year.

Area256 · Dec 5, 2012

The Waterloo Henry's has one on hold for me (I'm picking it up on Friday). I'm not sure if they have any stock beyond the holds or not though. If you want to get one from Henry's, call and ask them to put one on hold for you when it comes in. They won't charge you anything, or obligate you to buy it, but it'll mean you are one of the first people to get access the local stock.

RustyTheGeek · Dec 5, 2012

robbymack said:
Kingnog said:

robbymack said:

funny you ask this as I have been walking around a lot with my 70-200 and not bothering to take any other lens with me and using my iphone as my wide angle camera. Seems to work for me, IQ is on par with just about any other mid range PS out there plus it has the advantage of being very light and something Id take with me anyway. It also is the best PS on the market for taking the photograph, doing some quick pp through snapseed and off to my facebook or flickr accounts. But if that doesn't work for you I'd invest in the 17-55 f2.8 IS over any of the wide to normal primes especially on APS C. Its way more flexible and you don't lose much if anything in the IQ department. My 17-55 was glued to my 7d.

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Now that's just crazy talk right there! Kudos to you sir for keeping things in proper perspective!

If you're taking photos with facebook or flickr as the only location of the end-product, you don't need a DSLR.

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...you see I was simply comparing an iphone to a mid range PS and noting the benefits that you can fire it off to facebook or flickr with the swipe of a finger. Different strokes for different folks, I enjoy the portability of the iphone and not carrying around a bag full of lenses. I know this may be sacrilegious to some but sometimes I don't even bring a camera on an outing as I enjoy the company of my wife and kids a lot more than taking photos

bvukich · Dec 5, 2012

Final version. Rolling set of 60, and in 4k resolution for more stary goodness...
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Chuck Alaimo · Dec 5, 2012

kyle77 said:
Nice shots Chuck Alaimo, the 85 1.8 does appear to be a beastly little lens, but ever since I tried out an 85 one point oh-my-gosh-that's-a-sexy-lens two at a camera store, I've had severe lens acquisition syndrome. But I'll definitely give the 1.8 a look before I sell a kidney.

The new sigma 35mm 1.4 was also mentioned here. My first thought when I saw that lens was that it looks like a Zeiss and at $899 it isn't too bad, but I've read reports saying it blows the Canon away in terms of sharpness but it's lacking in the bokeh department.

if you want it...lol..won't stop ya... in fact... snag this used one!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800909022-USE/Canon_1056b002_EF_85mm_f_1_2L_II.html

That'll save ya a pretty penny!

killswitch · Dec 5, 2012

neuroanatomist said:
When you read some things on the Internet, it's best to take them with a grain of salt. When reading KR, you just need a few more grains.

+1 HAHAHAHA....I literally roared in laughter. Good one neuro.

xps · Dec 5, 2012

pwp said:
Another strong vote for the Canon G15. It's my next purchase. There's a very recent review on the G15 at DP Review that you should read. The Canon S110 is worth throwing into the mix. Its lens is not as bright and it doesn't go as wide as the G15, but it does have distinct advantage of being smaller than many smartphones. If you feel you wife would be more likely to take it with her all the time if it was purse size, then maybe the excellent S110 is the one to go for.

Remember you're buying for HER...this is not a toy for you. Think about the way she is likely to use it and locate the camera that ticks the most boxes for HER. Is she a novice? What will she do with her images? Make large prints? Put them on Facebook or Flickr galleries? Store and view them on her iPad? And so on...

Be honest in this appraisal, buy accordingly and she'll love you for it.

For your weekends away I guess there is a good chance you'll have your DSLR with you if something totally awesome comes up.

-PW

+1. Works fine.

Eos M: For this price the AF is toooooooo slooooooooow. Sorry, but for 1000€ (22mm), I want to have more AF performance. IQ was really good

pwp · Dec 5, 2012

kubelik said:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g15/5

if you go to mid-page-ish, there's a section on it. it's not entirely clear, they say it can shoot 1.1 fps RAW+JPG until the card is full, but the shooting speed depends on zoom length and "other settings", which is pretty vague. in high speed mode, they say for every 10 shots it takes 5 seconds for the buffer to clear.

Thanks, yes I saw the DP Review piece...it's not that clear is it? Though that suggests the G15 has reasonable processing power for a P&S.
I'm not expecting the same speed as my 1D MkIV! Just enough to be useful.

-PW

thelebaron · Dec 5, 2012

Ray2021 said:
Ok but all things considered, 6d is a slapdash quickie response from canon to nikon's latest lower cost FF entry. At best, a staving move, not a full fledged defense on canon's part.

As more reviews come in, expect an equally mad dash race among retailers to 6D's final price resting point -I will spare repeating the number here . In months, not a year.

At that price point it will be a good value and competent performer. But by no means is it a 5D3 competition.

How do you get this at all? I dont think canon does anything slapdash, it took them a good while to release the eos m. The cameras are similar, its not like the 6d is falling apart due to being rushed out the factory(at least no bad reports just yet). If you think its slap dash due to the DR, I think that nikon has just won this round fair and square. Or due to things like less af points, less mp, only 1 sd slot etc, Id say those are conscious decisions, not that they ran out of time designing it..

jonathan7007 · Dec 5, 2012

Lumiquest made a 5"x7" speedlite softbox for direct attachment whose shape at the bottom allowed the Canon sensor to measure the scene. Velcro on the head needed as with so many other modifiers. I have one. It folds into a very compact 5x7x0.5. Easy to throw in my bag.

The rectangle seen in the attached photo embedded in the white front panel is designed to better diffuse the light coming out of the head. I have opened panels on this ti allow light out the side or top, but rarely.

I do not know if this is still sold.

jonathan7007

AdrianAllen · Dec 5, 2012

Axilrod said:
Can you not get in on the B&H 60D deal ($899 for 60D+18-135 and a few other things)?

I would if only I could, but I live in Europe. So it's a no go. ATM that said set costs around 1000euro + 50euro rebate, that's good enough for me.

Marsu42 said:
Thus dust sealing is more important to me, and in this category even the 60d should do ok (unless non-sealed lenses, esp. zooms which will attract dust and sand like a magnet).

Dust sealing is more than enough for me too. And I wouldn't also be afraid if I would be caught out even for a while under a slight drizzle.*according to the reviews, that is*

RustyTheGeek · Dec 5, 2012

Mt Spokane Photography said:
Appropriate post, but why in the lighting forum?

My thought was because Joe McNally is such a lighting guru as of late.

dexstrose · Dec 5, 2012

Here is a noise comparison from The Digital Picture:
http://www.The-Digital-Picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

TommyLee · Dec 5, 2012

I looked at SLR gear site....where they tested the 24-70 II ...
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1494/cat/11

I collected the graphs and compared with ....
the 24L, 35L 50L ...and for lack of something better ...the 70mm position of the 70-200 II.

looking at chromatics also....

seems to do fairly well....
(MAYBE the 35L is ready for a replacement ....with these chromatics and with Sigma release - IMO
But I do love my 35L)

would liked to have seen better performance at 70mm.. and especially I.S. ....
(I guess we are spoiled by the recent Canon lens releases)

but for this difficult range...it compares pretty well......to the overall quality of the 70-200 II
(well ...really..... very little compares to the 70-200 II)

thought it would be of interest to know that this test is up....

TOM

UPDATE note:

the 24mm L prime and 35mm L prime sharpness graphs are swapped ... (24mm is under the 35mm zoom column)

Dylan777 · Dec 5, 2012

MichaelTheMaven said:
Hey Everyone- To answer your questions:

1. These are all SOOC. To really appreciate what you are seeing you really need to see the full size images on the blog. I own a 5Diii, the 6D's high ISO noise is cleaner. Ill be doing some side by side tests tomorrow.

Did some head-to-head high ISO portrait tests vs the D600, and the 6D wins, but I did notice something: The higher the ISO, the softer the image appears. Will be posting samples probably tomorrow on the blog: http://www.michaelthemaven.com

2. The Wifi feature is really awesome, I will go as far to say a game changer. There are a lot of creative things you can do with this, street shooting for example, wear your 6D around your neck, play with your iphone, and no one would know you are taking pictures. Self Portraits? Family pics? No problem. Tethering and most remotes are officially obsolete. One thing I dont like is there is no timer! Im sure it is coming.

The lag is about maybe a half second or so, pretty quick. The EOS Remote App that operates it seems a little bare, but you can preview exposure as well as change you Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO, and even touch focus from your iphone. Very nice.

More to come

MM

I hope so

I'm looking for 2nd body.

Dec 5, 2012

kubelik said:
the other general lesson learned here, is to not post huge statements about equipment that is unowned / unused. I can't even guess at how many times inflammatory stuff has been posted, and then a few pages in we all find out the OP has never even seen the piece of equipment in person, but they "heard" or they "read" about it.

not trying to jump on you, just hoping everyone learns from this. I sincerely hope you have a better day! sometimes bad mornings are good for lowering expectations

You are absolutely right here, I should have asked a question instead of making a statement. Never comment about something you do not know. I know the rule, but obviously forgot it this morning. At least I hope some will see my efforts to apologize and recognize my ability to admit my mistakes.

Thanks Neuro for the further explanation.

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