The next EOS R system camera gets a mention again [CR1]

[degos]

I've also been more successful at capturing some rather difficult peak moment shots (think fighter crossovers at airshows) simply because I have the confidence to zoom out a bit and crop in post, thereby giving my reaction time an edge.

That's fie for your personal use, but for selling images the buyers are looking for insane detail, down to the patches on the pilots' arms. Seriously. They want to be able to do an A3 spread cropped to the cockpits.

Anything short of 600mm focal length for a crossover is now considered 'slacking' and quite a few shooters are using 600 + 1.4x

 

[masterpix]

In my vision I see a 1Dx look alike with two exceptions: no mirror and no penta-prism in it. Why not keep the good ergonomics of the DSLR and just "remove" the parts which are not needed in the mirrorless camera? if you remove the mirror part, you can squeeze all the electronics into something thinner, no need to decrease the width or the height of the camera. Just a thought...

 

[dtaylor]

That's fie for your personal use, but for selling images the buyers are looking for insane detail, down to the patches on the pilots' arms.

LOL are you kidding with this post? You're not going to see '...the patches on pilot's arms...' while shooting two aircraft in a crossover for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with focal length.

Seriously. They want to be able to do an A3 spread cropped to the cockpits.

Do you have any idea how tightly you can crop 50mp and still do A3?

That said, for a really detailed in flight cockpit shot you have to be close to the aircraft and the aircraft has to be angled so that you are looking into it. So basically a relatively slow, nearly overhead turn. When such a turn occurs anything 400mm and above will be enough. Hell, you might get away with 300mm. If it's not overhead then you are not going to "overpower" the distance with 600mm, 600mm x1.4, or even 600mm x2.

That's the dirty little secret with airshows. Having an idea of where a plane is going to do the thing you want to capture, and walking across the base to get as close as possible to that location, counts for more than focal length ever could. The relative magnifications between an aircraft passing over and an aircraft down flight line are easily an order of magnitude greater than the focal length range in Canon's (or anyone's) telephoto lineup.

In any case, you're never going to be that close to a crossover unless you're military. The maneuver isn't as dangerous as it looks, but it is still dangerous and it is not performed over civilian heads.

 

[Del Paso]

True...BUT, it would be nice if it "could" be.....eh?
I'd like to have that option...



C

OK!
Go and buy the Mercedes G wagon with it's AMG V12 engine, and all your wishes will come true...
The hi-speed EOS R will come someday, but with 20+ MP.

 

[max_sr]

If there’s a sufficient market for it.

This would be one way to get a true fullframe 4k video centric mirrorless from Canon. A 12 Mpixel full readout should be easier than with a higher pixel count.

 

[Del Paso]

Canon about to turn out a hi-resolution camera, and they get flak since it won't be also a hi-fps and superlative video camera .
Criticism for the sake of criticism.
Landscapers are waiting for such a camera, and have usually no need for hi-fps. The Sony A 7s has 12 MP, and nobody seems to criticize it for not having 70 MP.
Strange, isn't it?
Are Wonderful Sony Fanboys on the loose again?

 

[Kit.]

Canon could do 50MP@5FPS 4 years ago with the 5Ds.

Not a dual-pixel sensor.

 

[edoorn]

So, the full frame R line could have in the future 5 models?

• RP as base cheap model
• R for the more advanced enthusiast / some pro's
• R high res (5Ds replacement)
• R5 (mid megapixel pro like a 5d4)
• R1 (fast sports/action cam like a 1dx)

Could it be that the 5ds and 5d4 would be merged into one body, maybe by offering a M-raw option with higher fps?

 

[max_sr]

So, the full frame R line could have in the future 5 models?

• RP as base cheap model
• R for the more advanced enthusiast / some pro's
• R high res (5Ds replacement)
• R5 (mid megapixel pro like a 5d4)
• R1 (fast sports/action cam like a 1dx)

Could it be that the 5ds and 5d4 would be merged into one body, maybe by offering a M-raw option with higher fps?

That's not seperated/confusing enough. Add at least 2 or 3 more lines of cameras. Every niche needs its own camera line.

 

[analoggrotto]

OK!
Go and buy the Mercedes G wagon with it's AMG V12 engine, and all your wishes will come true...
The hi-speed EOS R will come someday, but with 20+ MP.

Or a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk with the Hellcat powertrain

 

[dtaylor]

That's not seperated/confusing enough. Add at least 2 or 3 more lines of cameras. Every niche needs its own camera line.

We need at least a half dozen Rebel R's.

 

[Jasonmc89]

not safe to assume that at all. they could simply take the 80D sensor and make it full frame .. that would be pretty close to the 70MP.

That’d probably be quite a nice sensor!

 

[riker]

Could it be that the 5ds and 5d4 would be merged into one body, maybe by offering a M-raw option with higher fps?

OMG I wish, I would love Canon to the Moon and back forever. But I don't think so. Anything reaching 20-30MP@10FPS threatens 1 series too much.

 

[jolyonralph]

OMG I wish, I would love Canon to the Moon and back forever. But I don't think so. Anything reaching 20-30MP@10FPS threatens 1 series too much.

As Steve Jobs said "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."

There will always be a market for a 1D level camera at a premium. But frame rate is far from the only reason people buy such bodies.

 

[Del Paso]

Or a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk with the Hellcat powertrain

Hellcat?
A wonderful choice, no engine sounds better!

 

[padam]

In my vision I see a 1Dx look alike with two exceptions: no mirror and no penta-prism in it. Why not keep the good ergonomics of the DSLR and just "remove" the parts which are not needed in the mirrorless camera? if you remove the mirror part, you can squeeze all the electronics into something thinner, no need to decrease the width or the height of the camera. Just a thought...

Because they are fundamentally different designs, the sensor (or the "heart") is placed differently the mount is placed differently, EVF is different, the motherboard is different, everything is different. It would look very ugly if they just changed those things and kept all the rest with even more unused space in the bodies (both the 5D and the 1D have a fair amount of it).
If they still kept the good old EF-mount and changed the viewfinder, it would be possible, although it is actually more difficult to clean the dust out that way and there is no mirror for protection, so apart from the EVF, you are only keeping the disadvantages of mirrorless without the advantages.

It is much more likely that we will see an evolution on the EOS R design with extra things like the On/Off switched replaced by a dial, the Touchbar replaced by a joystick as mentioned, etc.
And I expect the top-end model to have the grip built-in for the ultimate speed and not this one which is more specialised but not as expensive(since it is sort of a 5DsR replacement after all), but we'll see.

 

[Del Paso]

That's not seperated/confusing enough. Add at least 2 or 3 more lines of cameras. Every niche needs its own camera line.

R "5" would be really fine, and the missing link between EOS R and EOS Hi-resolution.
Gimme gimme quick!

 

[criscokkat]

I doubt it will have dual digics unless it's a 1D form factor with a battery to match.

this is just pure throughput not even talking tracking.

the 7D Mark II only had a throughput of 200MP/second and it even had dual digics to try and do that with. one DIGIC 8 chip is 20% faster than the dual 6 DIGICS in the 7D Mark II.

There's also the possibility that they will come out with Digic 8+. This has happened several times before, the latest one was the Digic 6+. From my understanding the + versions were all die shrinks, which led to the chip performing faster (due to higher clock speeds) with less energy consumption.

In addition I am 90% sure I remember reading posts where the issue with 8 frames per second on the R was more a limitation on the speed of the sensor, not just the digic chip's processing, and that the tracking speed limitation was a combination of both with potential room for optimization. I remember these conversations were more applied to video but high FPS with high pixels would also be in that boat. A greatly improved readout speed means the digic chip can start working on the issue faster, so with a brand new sensor design we could see some improvements in total throughput even without adding a 2nd digic chip or even upgrading the design through a die shrink.

 

[Jasonmc89]

True...BUT, it would be nice if it "could" be.....eh?
I'd like to have that option...



C

Like a Bowler Wildcat?

 

[Steven_nl]

If this is the next camera in the R lineup, I would be very very disapointed and I will probably switch to Sony. I do not want to wait till Q4 and I do not want to wait on a 70mp camera. It is useless for me. I shoot events mostly and I need a joystick and 2 cardslots. 30-40 MP is more then enough. Give me more dynamic range and better low light. That's a whole lot more important