Canon EOS R5 Specifications

[Lee Jay]

So you're just mixing up SNR and noise.

I'm not mixing up anything.

You're saying that raising ISO decreases noise

For the same exposure. That's why you should always use the highest ISO you can for a given exposure. The limit is protecting highlights.

but then stating that noise stays the same.

But you're amplifying the signal.

SNR is a ratio while the noise is a value in the ratio.

Right, and when you amplify the signal and keep the noise the same, SNR goes up.

errrm... if all settings are the same but ISO is lower, the image is just darker.

Right. And when you brighten it in post, you amplify both the noise and the signal - SNR doesn't change.

And no, it's not less noisy.

Right - it's more noisy than if you had used ISO increase to amplify.

With Canon sensors, they normally do analog amplification up to 4-8x which is ISO 400-800.

Even my 20D and 5D did 16x (ISO 1600) in analog.

The rest is digital amplification which in fact is just multiplication. So images at ISO 1600 and ISO 3200 will be roughly the same after you add +1 stop to the ISO1600 image in Lightroom.
Up to ISO 800 it's better to set ISO in camera so that it does analog amplification as it's more accurate.

It's less noisy because read noise is reduced - exactly what I've been telling you all along.

Can you show me a paper that has these formulas? noise equals to the square root of signal?? Also SNR by definition is (signal / noise) and nothing else.

Shot noise - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[slclick]

Not sure how someone would feel let down fro

Why is it that 6-10 MP photos produced some beautiful prints in the past and now they cannot produce beautiful prints?
Has printing capability gone down that much in the last 10 years?
Perhaps we need to have manufacturers work on improving printing capabilities back up to at least what they were 10 or so years ago.

It's the dreaded the G.A.S. virus.

It wears out the keys on your keyboard
It does crazy things to your credit card balance
It gets you banned from photographic website forums
Most importantly, it makes your current gear inoperable.

 

[Gazwas]

The R5 sounds like a great camera for many, but where is the RS???

I was looking to upgrade to the 5DSR last summer when the rumors of the RS dropped. At 83MP, then 80, then even at 75MP, I was not only looking forward to the mirrorless experience, but willing to spend on new glass as well, even though I have a large investment in EF L lenses.

I waited and was happy to finally hear about a February announcement and release shortly after. Then less than a month away, and just two days ago it all changed. Now it is 45MP and a July release?

I can't see spending +$6k on a new body and glass, when I can get 5MP more for $1,400, and use my perfectly good glass.

What am I missing (other than Video which is not a priority for me)?

It basically looks like Canon shafted us S (studio) camera users again even thougth I've been repeatedly told (like fact) by folkes on these forums when I doubeted it that the RS was coming early 2020........

They amalgamated the wonderful 1Ds line buy telling us the 1Dx was its replacement (which it wasn't), then gave us the half baked 5Ds by simply pimping out a standard 5D body with a 50MP chip. Then all the talk starts of a Mirrorless 70-80MP R(S?) camera that is focued on the dynamic range with reports of people having seen and tested it.

Then......... the news myself and many have been waitiing for................... 20FPS, 8K video and 45MP?

Don't get me wrong the R5 lookes like an amazing camera and will be in the waiting line for one but its not the camera I really wanted after all this talk of a high resolution RS with 70-80MP.

I personally hope the rumours are only half right and we will in fact get two camera at CP+, this R5 but also an R5s as originally promised rumoured.

 

[snoke]

I personally hope the rumours are only half right and we will in fact get two camera at CP+, this R5 but also an R5s as originally promised rumoured.

Canonrumor say 4 fullframe EOS mirrorless in 2020.

Everyone write thinking EOS R5 is only mirrorless camera in 2020.

Also R6 rumor. R6 not 70-80MP camera. R5 + R6 = 2 EOS R.

2020 have 12 months. 4 cameras in 12 months. This is month #1. 11 more months.

 

[Lee Jay]

It basically looks like Canon shafted us S (studio) camera users again even thougth I've been repeatedly told (like fact) by folkes on these forums when I doubeted it that the RS was coming early 2020........

They amalgamated the wonderful 1Ds line buy telling us the 1Dx was its replacement (which it wasn't), then gave us the half baked 5Ds by simply pimping out a standard 5D body with a 50MP chip. Then all the talk starts of a Mirrorless 70-80MP R(S?) camera that is focued on the dynamic range with reports of people having seen and tested it.

Then......... the news myself and many have been waitiing for................... 20FPS, 8K video and 45MP?

Don't get me wrong the R5 lookes like an amazing camera and will be in the waiting line for one but its not the camera I really wanted after all this talk of a high resolution RS with 70-80MP.

I personally hope the rumours are only half right and we will in fact get two camera at CP+, this R5 but also an R5s as originally promised rumoured.

Explain what you can do with a 70-80MP camera that you can't do with a 45MP camera?

I've printed 52 inch long-edge with 12MP images and they look great. The only image I have seen that didn't look good in print was an 8MP crop from a 12MP D700 that was unwisely printed 28 feet long in a corridor where you can get right up next to it. I prepared an image of mine to replace it, and it was taken with a 20MP 7D Mark II, as a multi-shot panorama (3.2:1 ratio).

Honestly, what are you doing with a camera that 45MP isn't enough? I have a use case (focal-length-limited where I'm cropping to 3840x2560) but if you can properly frame, 45MP seems to be enough for about anything to me.

 

[Gazwas]

Canonrumor say 4 fullframe EOS mirrorless in 2020.

Everyone write thinking EOS R5 is only mirrorless camera in 2020.

Also R6 rumor. R6 not 70-80MP camera. R5 + R6 = 2 EOS R.

2020 have 12 months. 4 cameras in 12 months. This is month #1. 11 more months.

Canonrumor and forums say EOS Rs come is February 2020 for the last 10 months.........

Reading R5 specs, I think Canon are seeing their mirrorless is the future of mainstream video cameras and high resolution stills doesn't fit with that philosophy.

 

[per.farny]

Canonrumor say 4 fullframe EOS mirrorless in 2020.

Everyone write thinking EOS R5 is only mirrorless camera in 2020.

Also R6 rumor. R6 not 70-80MP camera. R5 + R6 = 2 EOS R.

2020 have 12 months. 4 cameras in 12 months. This is month #1. 11 more months.

Not 4 mirrorless fullframes, just "4 fullframe cameras". 1DXIII is the 3rd. Just one more slot available for what I'm also looking for, i.e. the high megapixel one :/

 

[Famateur]

Canonrumor say 4 fullframe EOS mirrorless in 2020.

Everyone write thinking EOS R5 is only mirrorless camera in 2020.

Also R6 rumor. R6 not 70-80MP camera. R5 + R6 = 2 EOS R.

2020 have 12 months. 4 cameras in 12 months. This is month #1. 11 more months.

I could be mistaken, but I believe the rumor was that Canon will release four full-frame camera bodies this year -- not four full-frame EOS R bodies this year.

The 1DXIII was one of the four full-frame bodies to be released. Next to be announced/released appear to be the R5 and R6. That would make three. It still seems likely (if the four full-frame bodies rumor is true) that the fourth will be the high-megapixel body rumored to be the RS.

Your point, though, about there being a lot of year left (and not to panic in the meantime) is appropriate.

 

[Gazwas]

Not 4 mirrorless fullframes, just "4 fullframe cameras". 1DXIII is the 3rd. Just one more slot available for what I'm also looking for, i.e. the high megapixel one :/

Or how about the low light very video centric camera recently rumoured seem more likely after reading Canons financials article just posted.

"Video will play a huge role in the EOS R System for sure. For example, an 8K video capable camera is already in our EOS R-series roadmap"

 

[Famateur]

Not 4 mirrorless fullframes, just "4 fullframe cameras". 1DXIII is the 3rd. Just one more slot available for what I'm also looking for, i.e. the high megapixel one :/

If I had stopped to read the message posted while I was composing my message, I could have just said, "Ditto."

 

[Famateur]

Or how about the low light very video centric camera recently rumoured seem more likely after reading Canons financials article just posted.

"Video will play a huge role in the EOS R System for sure. For example, an 8K video capable camera is already in our EOS R-series roadmap"

I think what we'll find is that Canon is going to put attractive video features in multiple R bodies, not just one.

 

[Lenscracker]

Lee you have obviously put a lot of thought into this, so kudos for that effort.

I would point out a few things to you however:

1. Any particular scene is what it is, and I suppose for the casual snapshooter that points a camera at said scene and presses the shutter button could be viewed as non-artistic expression... BUT...

2. The tools of a photographer consist of lens choice (which goes a long way in deciding perspective), DOF choice, shutter speed choice, and last but not least the composition itself. Example being one guy snaps a shot of a waterfall and it is somewhat documentary. Another "photographer" studies the scene and decides where to place certain elements in that scene, how much attention to draw to that element through composition as well as lens choice, then may place further emphasis on that particular element through the choice of aperture or shutterspeed (in short, creativity with the tools at hand)... and THAT

3. Is the first place in which photography becomes an art, THEN

4. After the scene is captured, you get into post-processing. In days past what we consider post-processing now, was done in a dark room with dodging, burning, even composite images but using multiple exposures or multiple frames. More currently those steps are handled through tools like Lightroom and Photoshop. Regardless of the times, there is another element of art and creativity that happens in this step as well.

So while your particular view might be considered valid for some shots, I suspect the majority of the people you are conversing with here fall into the latter group or they wouldn't be on a site such as this. If you don't think using the principles of exposure, composition, perspective are tools of artistic expression then you are certainly welcome to your opinion but I think that view is significantly short-sighted.

Well worded.

 

[Ozarker]

It doesn't make 'all' the difference. It allows to crop more and/or print larger. I like sometimes to convert aspect ratio to 4:5 or 16:9. Effectively it's cropping.

This image is one shot (not a composite) on 30Mp 5DIV but very heavy crop. I only had a few seconds to shoot it and didn't have time to change the lens to a longer one. Even at 70mm it's a heavy crop. It's somewhat usable on the web but not printable. If I had a 20Mp camera, it'd be even less usable, but had I had a 80Mp monster it'd be printable.

Not that I'm having such conditions forcing me to crop all the time. But it's my money and there are 45 and 60Mp cameras on the market already, I don't have to buy a hugely expensive GFX100.

Great photo! You are right, sometimes a decent crop can make or break a photo. We don't always see things the same way once we start to go through the photos. It's too bad that one isn't printable as it is a wonderful shot.

 

[PureClassA]

Given these specs regarding stabilization, will the EF and RF lenses both equally add to the 5 stop IBIS? Converting to RF glass isn’t going to be cheap.

I would imagine they will perform about equally as well provided you use a Canon produced EF-RF mount adapter. No promises on third party stuff.

 

[PureClassA]

I'm gonna cross-post what I said in the R6 thread, since it's relevant here as well.

The more I think about the R-mount series as a whole, the more I want Canon to offer:

1) a low-end full-frame (RP, which fully replaces the 6D, the previous low-end FF series)
2) a workhorse full-frame (R5)
3) a video-oriented full-frame (a7s competitor, i.e., the camera possibly described in the R6 thread)
4) a high-MP full-frame (Rs)
5) a speed/sports full-frame (R1)

As for APS-C, let it continue in the M line and in the EF bodies, like the Rebels and 90D. If people stop buying them, so be it - full steam ahead on full-frame.

And I'd say 1-4 will all likely happen this year, but #5 won't be til at least 2021.

 

[Gazwas]

I think what we'll find is that Canon is going to put attractive video features in multiple R bodies, not just one.

Do attractive video features fit with 80MP sensors is my point and possibly why after all this time we are getting an R5 rather tha the RS?

The suggested July release seems like an awfully long time for a totally ready for market camera.

Or is it July because one (R5) just leap frogged another (RS)?

 

[ahsanford]

And I'd say 1-4 will all likely happen this year, but #5 won't be til at least 2021.

At least. Will current 1-series sports sideline folks even try messing around with adaptors? Won't they wait for native RF superteles?

Photojournos, on the other hand, I could see living with the holy trinity 2.8 zooms already out there. I still think they are first marines on the beach when it comes to high speed 1-series build mirrorless adoption.

- A

 

[reefroamer]

This R5 full frame rumor is approaching 750 posts in 24 hours. The rumor on the new APS-C sensor Rebel Ti8 has 27 posts now in roughly the same period. If you wonder where The market interest is ... at least on this form ... look no further.

It basically looks like Canon shafted us S (studio) camera users again even thougth I've been repeatedly told (like fact) by folkes on these forums when I doubeted it that the RS was coming early 2020........

They amalgamated the wonderful 1Ds line buy telling us the 1Dx was its replacement (which it wasn't), then gave us the half baked 5Ds by simply pimping out a standard 5D body with a 50MP chip. Then all the talk starts of a Mirrorless 70-80MP R(S?) camera that is focued on the dynamic range with reports of people having seen and tested it.

Then......... the news myself and many have been waitiing for................... 20FPS, 8K video and 45MP?

Don't get me wrong the R5 lookes like an amazing camera and will be in the waiting line for one but its not the camera I really wanted after all this talk of a high resolution RS with 70-80MP.

I personally hope the rumours are only half right and we will in fact get two camera at CP+, this R5 but also an R5s as originally promised rumoured.

Patience. There is only so much Canon can do at one time. They’ve done a lot quickly. I suspect an R5 comes first because the target market and revenue opportunity is much greater. But I think you’ll get your R5s later in the year. I imagine the Canon manufacturing lines are chaotic right now.

 

[ahsanford]

Do attractive video features fit with 80MP sensors is my point and possibly why after all this time we are getting an R5 rather tha the RS?

The suggested July release seems like an awfully long time for a totally ready for market camera.

Or is it July because one (R5) just leap frogged another (RS)?

The fact that that 1DX series and 5D seem to get updated in a more regular 4-ish year cadence while the 5DS has not is some kind of tell. Super high res may not have the userbase to support to more frequent refreshes.

A top-end res bump is coming -- it has to be. When, how much, and if it's only going to be in RF are huge TBDs.

- A

 

[Kit.]

Why is it that 6-10 MP photos produced some beautiful prints in the past and now they cannot produce beautiful prints?
Has printing capability gone down that much in the last 10 years?

No, those were just pictures of cats.

For landscapes, you were better off shooting Reala or Astia.