Canon EOS R5 Specifications

[slclick]

MirrorlessRumors claim to have legit specs for a EOS-R6. Looks like a 6D successor. Canon really need to start releasing some non-L glass if they want to sell this camera. I doubt many EOS-R6 buyers would be in the market for expensive-L glass. We’re hearing lots about cameras but nothing on decent, affordable non-L glass - nifty fifty?

Conflicting Canon rumors solved....there is indeed a second EOS-R camera with no 8K and lower resolution sensor named EOS-R6! - mirrorlessrumors

As you may know days ago I told you trusted sources said the EOS-R camera they knew about had no 8K and a lower resolutions sensor. CR reported that the EOS-RS (later named EOS-R5) had 8K and a high resolution camera. So I thought CR rumor was wrong….but the mystery is officially solved! This...

www.mirrorlessrumors.com

There is one higher end lens which I see on most 6D series bodies, the 24-105L. Rightly so. In fact just about 75% of every 5/6 series body has one mounted. Your geography may vary.

 

[ahsanford]

I just ordered a 20x30 metal print of the below image from my 5DIV, but the image was cropped in to ~23 or 25mp. I had wanted to go bigger but just wasn't confident that it would show as well as I had wanted. It's definitely not uncommon for me to print at 24x36 or even bigger so I'm certainly keen for more resolution. How this comes out will no doubt influence whether or not I think 45MP is enough for my uses!
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Wow. New Jersey is spectacular, isn't it?

- A

 

[Ozarker]

I just ordered a 20x30 metal print of the below image from my 5DIV, but the image was cropped in to ~23 or 25mp. I had wanted to go bigger but just wasn't confident that it would show as well as I had wanted. It's definitely not uncommon for me to print at 24x36 or even bigger so I'm certainly keen for more resolution. How this comes out will no doubt influence whether or not I think 45MP is enough for my uses!
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Beautiful!

 

[KeithBreazeal]

I am hoping that the new R whatever will have the minimum specs I am looking for. I am not looking for something earth shattering,(although that would be nice) but a smaller, lighter system than the 5D IV & 5Ds. I bought the M5 and it got me hooked on mirrorless. I didn't expect the IQ to be so good on this little body, but it is now my "carry at all times" camera now. I have made several 24x36 prints from the M5 and I am quite pleased. Can't wait to see what new R bodies have to offer.
Sample M5 photo that was printed 24x36:

 

[robinlee]

I am in Tokyo 27th Feb, should I spare sometime to attend this show

 

[jedy]

There is one higher end lens which I see on most 6D series bodies, the 24-105L. Rightly so. In fact just about 75% of every 5/6 series body has one mounted. Your geography may vary.

Lenses like the 24-105mm f4 and to a lesser extent the 70-200mm f4 were popular lenses because you could get L quality for well below $1000. The 24-105mm RF is over $1000. People bought the 6D as they couldn’t afford the 5DIII and or didn’t need the extra features. I expect the R6 to be a tough sell for quite a few without some more affordable glass.

 

[Lee Jay]

The noise is the part of the signal you amplify.

The shot noise is, the read noise isn't.

Maybe you mean the read noise only happens after analog amplification (gain) and before ADC? It's not like that by definition of the read noise as it happens in all circuits before amplification.

No, that's not true. The read noise is actually several components, some of which are after amplification. That's why the read noise goes down when you increase ISO.

However back to the original question, larger pixels have better DR given other factors are the same and I don't think you were able to disprove it.

Yes, I was. I showed that the Powershot S120 has higher DR than the 1Dx, despite WAY smaller pixels.

Ask yourself this question. If well capacity is everything, then why is the inventor of our sensors working on ways to build sensors with a well capacity of 1 electron? Wouldn't that be entirely counter-productive if you were right?

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The answer is simple - you are wrong.

 

[Lee Jay]

Question. If you don't care at all about video, what does this supposed camera offer for the still shooter? It seems like not all that much.

 

[Trey T]

We have never seen cropped fps in a 5D before, why would they start now? Remember how big the bugger on the 1DXiii is. More likely that the R5 gets a smaller buffer--12fps mechanical shutter for about 100 shots before buffer max--than it would be they would slow down the fps.

We have never seen a feature to crop the sensor until the EOS R (and RP). Based on those evidence, it's more likely than not that the crop feature will carry forward. The new sony A7R can do 1.1 burst of 10fps @ 60mp. If you know the technology of the R5 (and Sony's tech), you can likely interpolate linearly to see if 12fps is likely for the 45mp.

also, Canon is very very careful about their camera (and video camera) business line-up.

 

[slclick]

Lenses like the 24-105mm f4 and to a lesser extent the 70-200mm f4 were popular lenses because you could get L quality for well below $1000. The 24-105mm RF is over $1000. People bought the 6D as they couldn’t afford the 5DIII and or didn’t need the extra features. I expect the R6 to be a tough sell for quite a few without some more affordable glass.

The adapted EF line lessens the blow quite a bit, we are actually quite lucky this is such a beautiful marriage.

 

[richperson]

Question. If you don't care at all about video, what does this supposed camera offer for the still shooter? It seems like not all that much.

Well, maybe not for everyone, but for me:

1) ability to shoot high res photos at a reasonable fps to capture sports/dance/theater;
2) hopefully, an EVF experience that doesn't black out or freeze at 12 fps;
3) a silent EVF mirrorless with controls that match up with my 1DXii
4) hopefully, a mirrorless camera that can be used for real sports in lowish light, but still allow signficant cropping if needed.

 

[davidhfe]

Question. If you don't care at all about video, what does this supposed camera offer for the still shooter? It seems like not all that much.

I think I need to create a macro for this:

- A 1.5x improvement in resolution over the previous generation
- A 1.5x improvement in frames per second when using a mechanical shutter
- A doubling of frames per second when using an electronic shutter
- An electronic shutter that can be used with a viewfinder for silent shooting in event situations
- A stabilization that works without stabilized lenses and works in conjunction with those that are already stabilized
- New autofocus modes allowing for nearly 100% frame coverage, eye detect. The 1DX3's "live view" AF appears to be great.
- Likely updated card slot formats for faster read and write (faster transfer into Lightroom or whatever!)
- Revisions to the ergonomics and handling of the camera
- Probably canon's new AA filter as well.
- Access to THE BEST LENS MOUNT in photography, while retaining 100% backwards compatibility with the previous BEST MOUNT in photography

Look, if there's nothing in there that sounds like it's worth $3500, that's totally cool. I know plenty of folks whose shooting style works with TriX 400 on manual bodies. Darkroom developed, outstanding results. It's great if you don't want/need the above features, but that spec list is beyond incremental even if it had NO video features. Literally every item above is something I wanted ~before~ purchasing my 5D4.

And again, things like dynamic range do not usually make spec lists that get leaked. There very well may be improvements to IQ here as well.

"Not all that much" SMDH

 

[Trankilstef]

As I said in another thread I talked to a Canon rep on tuesday and he told me that on the video side the announcement that will come in February (he told me specifically before March) will have me happier than ever. I was telling him that I loved the EOS R on the stills part but on the video though it is better than advertised all across the internet, it lacks some really important things. And he smiled, really confidently, and told me to not worry at all, to just wait for the next announcement.
Then today I spoke with a Canon Ambassador, over 30mn on the phone. We talked about her next projects etc and I couldn't help myself to ask for vice, i know she's one of the early professional adopters of the EOS R, and I told her I wanted to buy a second body, I was waiting for the next iteration of the R line, but was hesitant to not buy right now a second EOS R. She just told me this : "you better wait! I signed a NDA so I can't tell nothing but you really better wait. Something big is coming" She insisted on the "Big"... I speak to some Canon reps or this ambassador from time to time and got some insights sometime. But never, never I saw them this confident about a coming product.
So yes, something really big is coming, and I think it will be a game changer.

 

[richperson]

I think I need to create a macro for this:

- A 1.5x improvement in resolution over the previous generation
- A 1.5x improvement in frames per second when using a mechanical shutter
- A doubling of frames per second when using an electronic shutter
- An electronic shutter that can be used with a viewfinder for silent shooting in event situations
- A stabilization that works without stabilized lenses and works in conjunction with those that are already stabilized
- New autofocus modes allowing for nearly 100% frame coverage, eye detect. The 1DX3's "live view" AF appears to be great.
- Likely updated card slot formats for faster read and write (faster transfer into Lightroom or whatever!)
- Revisions to the ergonomics and handling of the camera
- Probably canon's new AA filter as well.
- Access to THE BEST LENS MOUNT in photography, while retaining 100% backwards compatibility with the previous BEST MOUNT in photography

Look, if there's nothing in there that sounds like it's worth $3500, that's totally cool. I know plenty of folks whose shooting style works with TriX 400 on manual bodies. Darkroom developed, outstanding results. It's great if you don't want/need the above features, but that spec list is beyond incremental even if it had NO video features. Literally every item above is something I wanted ~before~ purchasing my 5D4.

And again, things like dynamic range do not usually make spec lists that get leaked. There very well may be improvements to IQ here as well.

"Not all that much" SMDH

Better list than mine. I don't use stabilization much, but when I'm shooting at night with the 28-70mm f/2 the IBIS will be wonderful. Can't wait.

 

[PGSanta]

Question. If you don't care at all about video, what does this supposed camera offer for the still shooter? It seems like not all that much.

- The jump from 30 to 45 MP.
- Dual card slots.
- IBIS.
- Better weather sealing.
- Faster/better processing.
- Better ergos and the elimination of the MF bar.
- Better EVF (though mention of this has disappeared from the new rumors).

That doesn't seem like much to you? Ok.

 

[PureClassA]

...even if it has so many pixels you have to shoot everything in the f/4 to f/5.6 range to put them to good use?

I'm not a (pro) landscaper and I'm not a physicist, so I ask the team: there comes a point with even the best glass in the world and highest res sensor, stopping down too far can diminish your final resolution, correct?

Maybe I'm not articulating this correctly -- I'll try this: Say I'm shooting f/11 or f/14 for some seaside landscape shot. If I want to shoot stopped down like that, I'm eventually going to hit some 'sharpness asymptote' where more pixels behind that lens won't get much sharper... right?

Educate me, I mean it.

- A

Correct. Diffraction happens at a certain aperture based on pixel size. Simply put, diffraction will begin to creep in at larger and larger apertures the smaller and smaller (more and more) your pixels get. So when we have been shooting at say 25MP or less for a decade on average, we always talk about diffraction starting to hit around f11 - f16. When the 5DS came out with 50MP, we were talking about diffraction starting to creep in around f8. So in theory we can expect about the same on the R5 with 48MP. Fast Forward to this rumored 83MP thing... and you can see where this going. Where my understanding ends is whether or not the AA filter itself (remember it basically diffuses light) has much if any impact and in turn, will this new AA filter Canon has developed for the DX3 (and presumably on future R models as well) have any impact on extending the range of the f stops beyond where we would suppose diffraction would normally come in on 83 MP (f4 -5.6??)

 

[PureClassA]

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[Ozarker]

Question. If you don't care at all about video, what does this supposed camera offer for the still shooter? It seems like not all that much.

I went from the 5D Mark III to the R. I'm purely stills. If I didn't already have the R then this would be the upgrade I'd be salivating over. If I had the money, this would be my next body buy with the R as a backup. For me, the main reason is the megapixels that would give me the luxury of making different crops of an image, beyond the original image I wanted, for different "looks" without sacrificing IQ should I want to make large crops. Yes, I could go after those images in the first place, however, I might not have thought of them at the time I was taking the photos. But I am just a hobbyist that likes to fiddle around with files.

 

[PureClassA]

WHat's nice about that particular calculator is that it shows at what point diffraction become apparent not only under digital pixel peeping but also in PRINT, which of course is virtually undetectable. So it all depends on how you present your finished shot.

 

[PureClassA]

MirrorlessRumors claim to have legit specs for a EOS-R6. Looks like a 6D successor. Canon really need to start releasing some non-L glass if they want to sell this camera. I doubt many EOS-R6 buyers would be in the market for expensive-L glass. We’re hearing lots about cameras but nothing on decent, affordable non-L glass - nifty fifty?

Conflicting Canon rumors solved....there is indeed a second EOS-R camera with no 8K and lower resolution sensor named EOS-R6! - mirrorlessrumors

As you may know days ago I told you trusted sources said the EOS-R camera they knew about had no 8K and a lower resolutions sensor. CR reported that the EOS-RS (later named EOS-R5) had 8K and a high resolution camera. So I thought CR rumor was wrong….but the mystery is officially solved! This...

www.mirrorlessrumors.com

Seems like basically the same rumor Craig posted about the R6 a day or two ago. Obviously it won't have 8K. Didn't think that was ever a question. It takes almost 40 MP in a 2:3 shaped sensor to capture 8K, and everything we knew on rumor day 1 of the R6 said 20MP.