Canon’s roadmap for 2019, included an EOS R camera that no one is expecting? [CR2]

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D SR
Jan 28, 2015
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Troll Rant #428
I am still waiting on the full frame body that had a sexy genius solution that didnt require adapters? Remember that quote? I am mystified ppl are buying the r and rp. Are you that bored or wealthy? Wow. I had mine a week (R) and sent it back. It's junk, a turd. Waiting on the 5dsr m2 at this point, to see how bad they blunder that one, because recent developments since the R dropped indicates that yes, indeed, they will blunder it. And people will lick that dogpuke up.
A head-scratcher? Expect to be wildly underwhelmed. I mean, they just canceled the 7d. How stupid. So what piece of underwhelming non-video capable market-segmented crap will they come out with? Probably a mirrorless lite, with 1fps, using a 5 year old DLSR sensor, yet again, with 3 desired features added BUT 20 crucial mid-level features removed. There will be clear indications of innovative patents with absolutely no follow through on the actual market.
Gosh, I use to be so in love with my 5d, 5dIII, and now my 5DSr and my L lenses, but now I strongly dislike Canon, and I feel betrayed by them, and I feel stuck with a bunch of expensive obsolete lenses. Adapters, my *$$. I may as well get a competitor body and use an adapter of theirs with my L lenses, because Canon seems pretty clueless to me. Mainly I just come on here to 1) troll the fanboys 2) see what other companies are doing, like zeiss zx1, leica q2, fuji MF, panasonic full frame, and 3) hope for a repeat miracle of the 1987 EOS EF innovation that put everyone 20 years behind. What happened to that company, Canon? Bring that company back.
Basically, I want the EOS 1987 of today; if I am going to spend about $40k on a body and full RF lens system, then it better come with a vengeance like the 1987 EOS system, and I JUST DO NOT SEE THEM AS COMPARABLE.
Still, they are no Nikon. I mean, imagine the delusion set you have to carry around to buy into the Z. Wow. And I thought I felt stupid for pre-buying an R. Or imagine seeing the flange diameters of the z and RF and considering the tiny eensy E-mount on the Sony. You would have to combine all 3 brands to cherry-pick a decently-featured stills camera. This is pathetic, considering the cameras cost between $1500 and $5000 or so, depending.
Most of these camera companies are idiots anyway by cramming video and stills together. Why can't people see that when you do this, nobody truly wins?Video guys lose, stills guy loses. (Anytime I ever shot video, I rented a c300 or equivalent at the time. Right tool for the right job.) A stills camera built JUST FOR stills would always be a better camera than these do-it-alls consumers demand today. Yet I have never seen an affordable stills-only camera. (e.g. a still camera that had a blistering 100fps burst of 100mp RAW). How about a camera that shoots a SQUARE or a CIRCLE, thereby using the absolute best part of the lens glass optics instead of an idiotic long rectangle at 3:2 ratio? Why am I such a bad person for wanting these things in a multi-thousand dollar camera?
Don't think Canon ever said, "A sexy solution that doesn't require adapters." Canon said, "Elegant" I believe. Never said no adapters. Seems the solution is seamless and elegant, to me, with zero loss of IQ. Your lenses aren't obsolete. If you think so, you can mail them to me. :) I'll take those obsolete and worthless lenses. I'll even pay shipping. $20 sound okay?
 

Jethro

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Jul 14, 2018
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How long from announcement are new cameras usually available? I have a big trip coming up at the end of September and would love to try out the 90d as my backup camera.
Typically a month or two - and who knows exactly when the official announcement will be? I think you'll be struggling to get one in your hand before the end of September. What you might get before then are some really nice discounts on the existing 7Dii and/or 80D if the rumours firm up. Depends what you're looking for as a back-up camera as to whether a deep discounted version of these would do?
 
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slclick

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Typically a month or two - and who knows exactly when the official announcement will be? I think you'll be struggling to get one in your hand before the end of September. What you might get before then are some really nice discounts on the existing 7Dii and/or 80D if the rumours firm up. Depends what you're looking for as a back-up camera as to whether a deep discounted version of these would do?
As it's been said many times before...rent.
 
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masterpix

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Let's not forget: The biggest hurdle is attracting new customers to take up ILC cameras (affluent younger people who might have had their interest stimulated via their phones and never heard of FD mount etc.), not so much holding on to people who have already bought in (older people with money who die off everyday or just quit buying due to advanced age). First time adopters to a camera system is what is needed, and that is exactly the group that is shrinking thanks, among other things, to low birth rates compared to the boomers who were sired by the earlier generations. In twenty years it is likely the largest portion of this forum membership will be dead and our gear on the Antiques Road Show as curiosities. Depressing. Mentors needed. ;) It would be very interesting to get an age breakdown of the forum membership here, wouldn't it? Betcha we are all mostly over 40. I'm 56 (1963), so right on the tail end of the baby boom. I've one child. My mother and her mother both had 5. My siblings have: 0, 2, 2, and 4. So we aren't replacing ourselves. ;) The big growth will be in the developing world. Our whole hobby is niche.
Interesting point, however, the developing world will mostly focus on cell-phone cameras and those instant-online apps for their photography. To attract them you need a cheap, light and smaller as possible cameras. But we already seen that the point and shoot were the first to suffer from the cell-phones (as better they were and still are - sensor and lens wise).
 

privatebydesign

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Flash synchronisation at 1/500. I would be willing to pay 1000 euro’s for this option!
Always interested in comments like this. Specifically what for and what flashes would you hope to use at that speed?
 
Jun 1, 2019
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Hmm, maybe an "R-f" retrostyled Rangefinder styled R mount body with a plain Tiltscreen screen, not fully articulated, with an ovf/evf, and joystick. The current RP is practically flat on the top midplate, all they need to do is shift it to the left and call it a different model. A head scratcher, but I would buy it and slap the 35/1.8 RF on it and call it a day. They could even bundle the two together and sell it the hipster kit.
 
Jun 1, 2019
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How about a form factor change for the body - an R mount on a cube. Canon has a similar start with an entry level video camera (xc-10). It would solve the vertical/horizontal dilemma with a square image (new square sensor perhaps), could offer interchangeable viewfinders (lucrative accessory market) , provide internal space for larger (or multiple) batteries (another option?), utilize the R mount to stimulate lens sales, have a variety of "handle" options and provide some industry innovation Canon seldom gets credit for.
I could see third party accessory companies making Rubik cube silicon cases or even Lego styled accessories.
 

caffetin

EOS M50
Apr 20, 2019
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Nope. He hasn't used it. He has no idea about sales figures either. Sometimes people just like to make things up.
To be honest, nikon and sony has wrily bad sensors. I mean images are yellowish. Everybody try to show us on YouTube "look dr how bad is on Canon iven for something what you can not see on printed pictures". Canon and fuji(shadow's) has the best colour write from the cameras. But negative campaigns are stronger. Everything else is just software. So man stop talking about r is shrinking. Maybe Canon must think of very hight rf lenses cost. AND IF YOU WANT 4K,8K,100K Video, go to shop and buy a camcorder. We are talking about pure photography.
 
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Pape

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One thing that I didn't see mentioned that I just thought of may be that Canon may try to do with the RP that they did with the m5 and M6. remove the EVF and make it as small as possible (and as cheap).
i would do other way ,remove lcd and put viewfinder to top ,sensor more back. viewfinder is lot smaller than lcd
 

Tangent

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Nov 13, 2015
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One thing that I didn't see mentioned that I just thought of may be that Canon may try to do with the RP that they did with the m5 and M6. remove the EVF and make it as small as possible (and as cheap).
The M6 approach would also make sense for an astro version. No need for the EVF.
 

Bob Howland

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One thing that I didn't see mentioned that I just thought of may be that Canon may try to do with the RP that they did with the m5 and M6. remove the EVF and make it as small as possible (and as cheap).
That's actually makes sense, although they might need something comparable to the 15-45 M kit lens to go with it.
 
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