Canon, Canon Canon….. Please help the video stars

Kharan

I'm New Here
Nov 9, 2018
17
6
If you need crop framed 1080p in a Canon full frame body, buy the EOS-R. Simple. Don't buy the 5D or 1DX since they don't include it, either. If the price difference between the R and the RP is too much for you to handle, then you don't have the resources for any of this discussion about frame rates and resolution to actually matter. Technical limitations on a camera are insignificant compared to the time and money required to get anything approaching "cinematic" in filmmaking.
Whoa, nice chip on your shoulder, mister. Believe it or not, over 96% of the world's population doesn't live in the US, and there's tons of people doing solid professional work with ancient equipment. For them, the RP could have been a fantastic camera - there's absolutely no reason to have gelded it so badly on the video front.
All of your post just screams "buy Panasonic/Fuji/Sony/Nikon!" to me.
 

uri.raz

EOS T7i
Jan 5, 2016
59
31
That's a very interesting info. I'm sure there are niche of electronic devices to cater to specific demands for security or cultural sensitive. I was talking about in mass context more just like Canon is making product for mass market appeal.
There is no mass market, only segments. People who want 4K video produced from the whole surface of FF digital camera (and care about frame rate, etc) are such a segment, and my guess it's a niche, just like calls only phones.
 

bokehmon22

EOS RP
Oct 31, 2016
303
164
There is no mass market, only segments. People who want 4K video produced from the whole surface of FF digital camera (and care about frame rate, etc) are such a segment, and my guess it's a niche, just like calls only phones.
There are so much much more demand for serious video options than call only phones. Just look at the amount of video on YouTube. People don't want to bring two separate devices for stills and videos. They want portability, quality and convenient.

If there isn't a demand high quality video production, there wouldn't Panasonic, Sony, Nikon offering uncropped 4K, unlimited 4K 30, ProRes Raw, slow mo etc. There wouldn't be accessories made for serious videographers like Gimbal.

I don't even use the video features on my 5D IV because they really gimp on it. I use DJI Osmo Pocket 4K or Galaxy phone to record it. If I get one of the newer camera with better 4K, IBIS, and good video codec like Panasonic S1, I would definitely record it in 4K and down sample to 1080 if I need.

If I'm paying $2500, I would expect Canon to have proper 4K video option that's similiar to the competitions. They are definitely behind in this segment even though the 5D II was a pioneer in the video segment. They just segmented their camera further to protect from cinema line.
 
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uri.raz

EOS T7i
Jan 5, 2016
59
31
There are so much much more demand for serious video options than call only phones. Just look at the amount of video on YouTube.
I doubt the average YouTube video requires FF camera shooting 4K (cropped or not), or frame rates higher than 24/30. Sure, I've seen exceptions, but we're not talking about those.

People don't want to bring two separate devices for stills and videos. They want portability, quality and convenient.
How many people?

If there isn't a demand high quality video production, there wouldn't Panasonic, Sony, Nikon offering uncropped 4K, unlimited 4K 30, ProRes Raw, slow mo etc. There wouldn't be accessories made for serious videographers like Gimbal.
It proves there is demand. I doubt how high it is.

[/QUOTE]I don't even use the video features on my 5D IV because they really gimp on it. I use DJI Osmo Pocket 4K or Galaxy phone to record it. If I get one of the newer camera with better 4K, IBIS, and good video codec like Panasonic S1, I would definitely record it in 4K and down sample to 1080 if I need to.[/QUOTE]

One person is not a good sample, e.g. I can count on one hand how many times I shot video in the past decade.
 

bokehmon22

EOS RP
Oct 31, 2016
303
164
I doubt the average YouTube video requires FF camera shooting 4K (cropped or not), or frame rates higher than 24/30. Sure, I've seen exceptions, but we're not talking about those.



How many people?



It proves there is demand. I doubt how high it is.
I don't even use the video features on my 5D IV because they really gimp on it. I use DJI Osmo Pocket 4K or Galaxy phone to record it. If I get one of the newer camera with better 4K, IBIS, and good video codec like Panasonic S1, I would definitely record it in 4K and down sample to 1080 if I need to.[/QUOTE]

One person is not a good sample, e.g. I can count on one hand how many times I shot video in the past decade.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why you are asking me how many people. You are the one that said there 4K demand is a niche like call only phone. Again. Same question how many people? lol

You doubt it but provide no facts. Yeah companies like Pansonic, Sony, Nikon, all make photography camera capable of 4K capable camera and accessories (gimbal, external recorder) and because they have no market data. I should just trust some guy on CR over them and believe Canon isn't trying to protect their cinema lines /s

I don't even use video on my 5D IV and even know there is a demand video feature on expensive $2000 camera and up. I can't believe how much Canon user have to tolerate to defend Canon actions.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
3,125
310
If I'm paying $2500, I would expect Canon to have proper 4K video option that's similiar to the competitions. They are definitely behind in this segment even though the 5D II was a pioneer in the video segment. They just segmented their camera further to protect from cinema line.
How tedious comment such as this are becoming.Canon do not have the sensor technology to do full-frame 4K - simple as that.No conspiracy, no segmentation explanation just old-fashioned technical limitations.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
3,125
310
I'm not sure why you are asking me how many people. You are the one that said there 4K demand is a niche like call only phone. Again. Same question how many people? lol
When they released the 5DIV Canon explained that their research shows that people buying the 5D series generally shoot short segments of video to supplement their stills.
That is good enough for me to say that 4K, let alone full-frame 4k, is niche. You can argue how big a niche but it is not significant enough to make Canon do things differently.
 

Kharan

I'm New Here
Nov 9, 2018
17
6
How tedious comment such as this are becoming.Canon do not have the sensor technology to do full-frame 4K - simple as that.No conspiracy, no segmentation explanation just old-fashioned technical limitations.
No, but they do have a better sensor in the 1DXII, capable of putting out beautiful footage with only 1.3x crop. So where is it, outside of a super-expensive and massive body?
 

flip314

EOS T7i
Sep 26, 2018
82
87
No, but they do have a better sensor in the 1DXII, capable of putting out beautiful footage with only 1.3x crop. So where is it, outside of a super-expensive and massive body?
The 1DXII only has a lesser crop because it's lower resolution. Canon does 4K by taking pixels 1:1 from the sensor.
 

uri.raz

EOS T7i
Jan 5, 2016
59
31
I'm not sure why you are asking me how many people. You are the one that said there 4K demand is a niche like call only phone. Again. Same question how many people? lol
Same as you said calls only phones a niche, LOL.

I don't even use video on my 5D IV and even know there is a demand video feature on expensive $2000 camera and up. I can't believe how much Canon user have to tolerate to defend Canon actions.
You expect the RP @ $1,300 to give video features of >$2K cameras? LOL.

You doubt it but provide no facts. Yeah companies like Pansonic, Sony, Nikon, all make photography camera capable of 4K capable camera and accessories (gimbal, external recorder) and because they have no market data. I should just trust some guy on CR over them and believe Canon isn't trying to protect their cinema lines
I didn't say Canon is *not* trying to protect their cinema lines. I'm saying you expect too much from the cheap RP.
 

bokehmon22

EOS RP
Oct 31, 2016
303
164
You expect the RP @ $1,300 to give video features of >$2K cameras? LOL.
No I expect Canon RP $1300 camera to have the same feature as Canon 5D II that was released more than 10 years ago and significantly cheaper than that.

If I tell you in 2019, there is going to be a $1300 camera that shoot video, what video feature would you expect to have? I wouldn't expect 4K uncropped, but I expect the very least 1080p 24P.
 
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davidhfe

EOS T7i
Sep 9, 2015
50
15
You expect the RP @ $1,300 to give video features of >$2K cameras? LOL.
No, they want some semblance of competitiveness (adjusting for full frame/crop) vs what's offered at $1399 on the 26mp XT3.

Edit: Did I say XT3? I meant the $899 24mp XT-30.
 
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cayenne

EOR R
Mar 28, 2012
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My 5D3 still shoots great stills...and for now, I'm mostly all still 1080 for video.

But while I wait on the sidelines to see what the "5D" equivalent of an R camera comes out.....I'm contemplating the Black Magic Design "pocket" 4K camera.


Only about $1300....and with a metabones adapter, can take my EOS lenses.

I'm still researching and may rent one, but seems to me a good video alternative....without the $$$$$ price tag of other cinema cameras, etc.

Thoughts?

cayenne
 

uri.raz

EOS T7i
Jan 5, 2016
59
31
If I tell you in 2019, there is going to be a $1300 camera that shoot video, what video feature would you expect to have?
I have no expectations from products I have no intentions to buy.

When I do buy a 5DmkIII replacement, I'd like it to have at least uncropped 720p 24fps. I would be surprised & disappointed if Canon's replacement would regress that much.
 

Roy Hunte

EOS R
Aug 30, 2018
29
19
Or maybe the Leica people have enough money that when they shoot video it is on a Canon C300. And this is what the Canon plan is. Video is important, and if it is important to you you buy a Canon cinema camera.
The only time you can get full frame 4K on a Canon camera is on the C700 FF, all the rest of the cinema cameras are Super35 so even that is not an argument......
A Super35 sensor has roughly a 1.7x crop factor. The same as the 5D IV and the EOS R so maybe that is the reason, 'a super 35 look'.
 
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Roy Hunte

EOS R
Aug 30, 2018
29
19
My 5D3 still shoots great stills...and for now, I'm mostly all still 1080 for video.

But while I wait on the sidelines to see what the "5D" equivalent of an R camera comes out.....I'm contemplating the Black Magic Design "pocket" 4K camera.


Only about $1300....and with a metabones adapter, can take my EOS lenses.

I'm still researching and may rent one, but seems to me a good video alternative....without the $$$$$ price tag of other cinema cameras, etc.

Thoughts?

cayenne
Remember that camera uses a Micro 4/3 sensor, which is 2x crop, the 5D IV and the R have a 1.7x crop, and the 1DX II has 1.3 Crop, so make sure you make the right decision.
 

Roy Hunte

EOS R
Aug 30, 2018
29
19
How tedious comment such as this are becoming.Canon do not have the sensor technology to do full-frame 4K - simple as that.No conspiracy, no segmentation explanation just old-fashioned technical limitations.
It's not the sensor technology, because the C700 FF does full frame 4K. The rest of the cinema lineup have in Super 35 sensors (with a crop factor of roughly 1.7x) so the 4K crop mimics a Super 35, simple. People need to stop saying Canon is protecting their cinema lineup because the cinema lineup has the the crop at 720p, 1080p and 4K.
 

Roy Hunte

EOS R
Aug 30, 2018
29
19
I have no expectations from products I have no intentions to buy.

When I do buy a 5DmkIII replacement, I'd like it to have at least uncropped 720p 24fps. I would be surprised & disappointed if Canon's replacement would regress that much.
Whatever you do don't buy a Super 35 equipped Canon cinema camera. You would get an approximate 1.7x crop across the board.