5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

[torger]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

So, shat is more likely - a 40+MP camera with decent video and a 22MP one with top-notch video (as this rumour states) OR a 40+MP camera with top-notch video and a 22MP one with decent video? I'm not 100% certain, but I am certain someone can give a good technical explanation on why one case must be more feasible than the other.

4K video pixel binned 4:1 would yield about 40 MP sensor. Aiming a single product at both videographers and high res fashion/studio/landscape shooters might seem a bit odd though from a marketing perspective. But from a technical point of view I guess it makes sense. That would leave space for the 22MP all-arounder (okay in every aspect, not king on any), not mess with the 1DX (best speed, best ISO), and the combo would be competitive with Nikon's offerings. The 22MP all-arounder would be a little bit cheaper than the D800, and the high res 4K camera would be more expensive, but probably cheaper than 1DX, unless its a pro body much similar to 1Ds. I doubt though that high res is going to be as expensive as 1Ds/D3x from now on.

If this is about true, I think most will be happy. Those that want high res (like me) are probably prepared to pay a bit more (lens cost is the major part anyway), as long as it does not feel like D800 is a much better deal. $4K would be ok. The masses want that 22MP all-arounder, and if it is a few bucks cheaper than the D800 and/or has a little bit more speed it will be ok. With good AF it will be an upgrade from the 5D mark 2.

What I'm less sure about is what 4K videographers are prepared to pay. Are they expecting 5D mark 2 pricing?

 

[Neeneko]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

What's the point of a 45MP camera when its way above the resolving power of any Canon lens?

Where do you get your infos/sources that current lenses cannot support 45mp Sensor? or is it that you only heard people saying it?

That was my question too. I see all sorts of comments about lenses not being able to support various sensors (including a discussion about using MF and LF lenses on DSLRs, with people claiming up and down that it ruins the pictures.. yet professionals are doing it every day...)...

Though personally I am rubbing my hands with glee since I have a 0.9f lens that most certainty can handle such a sensor and a fun use case where 45MP would actually be really useful.

 

[bdeutsch]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

this rumor is taken with a very large grain of salt...

Man, these sure are thirsty times with all this salt… ;D

I'm with you ... water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink. All these salty 5dmiii (5dx) rumors are getting tiring.


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[Octavian]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

And then of course...

Canon could have deliberately leaked this rumour as a sounding board.

We know they read these forums, what better way to find out the thoughts of potential customers. Then they can say
"we listened to what our customer base wanted..."

This sort of site is, after all, a 2 way street. Both Canon and CR get a benefit from working together like this.

Well at 3k Im out!

Besides 5DMkii are available at 1,700 euro in some european countries.
So what price would that make a used one!

Hopefully 'they'll' read this!

 

[alberto]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Hi there,

think there will be only one 5D X in the future maybe end of Feb. but don't think they will come up with a "good weather" camera like Nikon D-800 with high MP and workable Iso ) from 100-1000 ;-). The next Body after the 5D X maybe in autumn with other Specs.

Personally don't like the blown up Sensor design from the nikon D-800.

This will be the new 5D X, the new name for the MarkIII
specs like this ;-)
22MP maybe some more ????? but not to blown up
61 points AF (Similar to the 1DX but simpler)
4.9 fps, ISO 100-25600(50-51200)
1 Digic 5+ and maybe + Digic 4

price range 2500-2900 USD

 

[mws]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I just want a FF with decent DR and ISO performance for under 3,000. Anything 15-22 MP would be fine with my needs.

I want better ISO performance more then anything, even 100 ISO on my 50D is just crap in my opinion.

Interestingly absent on all of these rumors is what bodies will be weather sealed and how much weather sealing they will have. While not something I really need, it may be a easy way for Canon to break models into different segments.

 

[K-amps]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Two cameras with different sensors or same sensors but different firmware?

I believe they should be the different sensors.

+1: Sensors need to be optimized/ fine tuned. If by firmware you mean a crop... then both cannot be true FF sensors from a "framing" perspective. The latter won't be "wide" enough.

 

[Orion]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Yesterday I went to a popular camera store, and the guy I always deal with said that the 5DmkIII will be out in April. He looked at me with a determined look, after I questioned it, and gave me a tiny smile . . . so I guess I have to believe him. He gave me that tiny smile after I asked him if this is insider stuff, so . . . .

 

[astrocrab]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

 

[K-amps]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Unfortunately I suspect that the "low price" and widespread popularity are what have driven up the 5D3 price more than anything else.

I second that. Why would Canon not use CR as a source of market intelligence? And if a bunch of us (me included) show enthusiasm at a $2700 price, it's natural that they would want to jack it up and get more for it. Ofcourse there are other factors too, perhaps we should be cognizant of what we say in public ...

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

reading your forum name I understand you are doing astrophotography. I would like to have a camera like that, but maybe they just differentiate it by cutting the high ISO down to 51200. If these are very usable I guess that's plenty for me as a low light "amatog". I guess they can do this by firmware, right?

 

[astrocrab]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

by cutting the high ISO down to 51200.

how? by adding some noise to sensor output? if not then anyone can get on iso 51200 same results as on 204800 just using RAW.

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

thx astrocrab. now you know well how much I am in tech. so, I understand that sensors aren't the same as in film days. 100 ASA, 400 ASA...is that just a question of sensor tech design then? any link where can do an indepth read on that. would be very welcomed!

 

[max]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Sign me up for a 5D3

 

[gabriele]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I would totally go for the "standard" 5D Mark III, we don't need more megapixels, we need even better high ISO handling, better focusing and burst speed.

 

[awinphoto]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

As for the video, I saw it around 4-5 months ago and posted it on CR just to find out it was some kids school project... Not badly done, but it's fake nevertheless. I wouldn't mind the specs at all, but yeah. Given the choice between the two, i'd hope there was more of a separating factor between the 3 and the x... Perhaps they could add some more features to the x and make it into it's own line all-together and justify a new price bracket of $4000? But for me I'd get the 3... Bring it on

 

[K-amps]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I hope the MP monster has better IQ than the 7D aka 18MP crops, that would be disapointing to say the least
hopefully they have refined the tech in recent years to get better sharpness out of them maybe removing the AA filter like the D800E. fingers crossed.

18MP Canon APS-C = 46MP FF (18 x 1.6^2) so we have One (1) entire MP to spare 8)

AND the sensor technology must have advanced enough in the past 3 years to make the ISO performance a bit better! ;D

What I find suspicious is the "With a pixel size similar to the power shot G1X" comment in the rumor. Shouldn't it be like the 7D in pixel size? ???

Seems they are the same pixel width. G1x is more relevant since it is newer perhaps?

 

[marekjoz]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Two cameras with different sensors or same sensors but different firmware?

I believe they should be the different sensors.

+1: Sensors need to be optimized/ fine tuned. If by firmware you mean a crop... then both cannot be true FF sensors from a "framing" perspective. The latter won't be "wide" enough.

No, I didn't mean cropped. Rather one sensor 45MP with gapless subpixels producing 22MP raws...

 

[thatcherk1]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Maybe it's already been mentioned, but is there a chance that the 22MP camera is the "EOS Movie" DSLR style camera since 22mp would make sense for that. I guess that's more than 4k though. And then a 5Diii is the 46MP rumored camera.

Thoughts?

 

[Woody]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Just a quick walk through history...

When Canon announced the 5D2 many years back, people claimed (i) they have no need for sensors with more than 12 MP (ii) lenses won't be able to support such a 22 MP sensor (iii) diffraction would kill the usefulness of such a sensor. The 5D2 turned out to be a massive success for Canon.

When there are rumors about Canon releasing a 22 MP FF camera after Nikon's 36 MP D800, people claim Canon is falling behind, and they are going to dump all their Canon stuff for the exciting D800.

When there are rumors about Canon releasing a 45 MP FF camera, people claim lenses won't be able to support the sensor. No more talks about diffraction. No more talks about the uselessness of sensors with more than 12 MP. After all, there's a 36 MP D800 is on the market.

How very interesting.