5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

[kirispupis]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

While it would be great if this rumor is true, there is one glaring mistake I see here.

If Canon continues with their current naming convention, then the 22 MP 5D should be called the 5DX and the 45 MP version the 5D3. In line with the "X" series (1Dx, G1X) all cameras have very good high ISO support.

 

[DzPhotography]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

While it would be great if this rumor is true, there is one glaring mistake I see here.

If Canon continues with their current naming convention, then the 22 MP 5D should be called the 5DX and the 45 MP version the 5D3. In line with the "X" series (1Dx, G1X) all cameras have very good high ISO support.

yes that would be a lot more logical

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I guess one of the first 22 MP rumors mentioned a 5Dx

 

[mathino]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I've been looking around for some info about trade shows/conferences scheduled in 2012. So here is the list.

February
+ 9-12: CP Plus in Tokyo (Japan)
+ 16-23: WPPI (full conference) in Las Vegas (USA) - the trade show is February 20-22


March
+ 4-7: Focus on Imaging in Birmingham (UK)
+ 6-10: CeBIT in Hannover (Germany)
+ 24-26: Photoshop World in Washington DC (USA) - will IrfanView/MSPaint/GIMP filibuster the event? ;-)

April
+ 14-19: NAB 2012 in Las Vegas (USA)
+ 24-29: Photo & Imaging 2012 in Seoul (Korea)

May
+ 24-27: PMA Australia in Melbourne (Australia)
+ 25-27: ExpoSure (Henry's) in Mississauga (Canada)

June
+ 1-2: Cine Gear Expo in Los Angeles (USA)
+ 5-7: Computex Taipei in Taipei

August
+ 31- Sept 5: IFA 2012 in Berlin (Germany)

September
+ 6-11: IBC 2012 in Amsterdaaam (Holland)
+ 18-23: Photokina (also in German) in Cologne/Koln (Germany)
+ 19-21: DV Expo in Southern California (USA)

So I can see there are som more importatnt trade shows here. If you ask me I will bet on some of these to announcement:

1.) 16-23 of February - WPPI (Wedding & Portrait Photography - as far as I know many of wedding photogs are using 5D-s)
2.) 6-10 of March - CeBIT (I think here could be announced new Rebel)
3.) 14-19 of April - NAB (big show so maybe there)
4.) 18-23 of September - Photokina (big show, I expect some new stuff here).

 

[digishooter]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Given Canon's recent spoon-feeding history, I'm guessing they will sometime this year release a very minor upgrade to the 5d2 as a 5d3, with improved AF and sensor performance and that's about it, selling for about $2500-2600.00.

Then I'm guessing it will be another year before they come out with a high Mpx camera, since that will be two releases of higher-end bodies in one year. They don't seem to be worried about what Nikon or Sony does.

 

[thepancakeman]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

The one thing I've been failing to understand with all the 5D replacement spec rumors is why a high MP camera (be it a single model or one of two) would have anything near pro-grade AF. Normally AF is a huge differentiating factor between lines and would pump the cost up quite a bit, but any camera with high MP is clearly being marketed to a studio/landscape/macro crowd in which AF performance is far less important.

The aerial photography crowd needs pro-grade AF along with high MP.

You and your aerial photography again...just buy a decent spy satelite already! ;D

 

[awinphoto]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

The one thing I've been failing to understand with all the 5D replacement spec rumors is why a high MP camera (be it a single model or one of two) would have anything near pro-grade AF. Normally AF is a huge differentiating factor between lines and would pump the cost up quite a bit, but any camera with high MP is clearly being marketed to a studio/landscape/macro crowd in which AF performance is far less important.

The aerial photography crowd needs pro-grade AF along with high MP.

You and your aerial photography again...just buy a decent spy satelite already! ;D

Lol.. I'm kind of interested at what point and purpose do you need the high MP for aerial photography? Are you shooting out the window of a flying airplane taking landscapse? Are you at an air show taking pictures of planes flying or taking photos at or near an airport of airliners landing and taking off? Are you trying to print banner ads? Shooting from the ground and trying to get planes in the air i suppose is like bird photography, and cropping could help. I do commercial aviation photography as part of my business target audience, as well as architecture and such, but either shooting glamour shots of the plane on the ground, interior glamour shots (like confined architecture shots) and the occasional air show but the air show, to me, is more for fun and less business.

 

[DzPhotography]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I've been looking around for some info about trade shows/conferences scheduled in 2012. So here is the list.

February
+ 9-12: CP Plus in Tokyo (Japan)
+ 16-23: WPPI (full conference) in Las Vegas (USA) - the trade show is February 20-22


March
+ 4-7: Focus on Imaging in Birmingham (UK)
+ 6-10: CeBIT in Hannover (Germany)
+ 24-26: Photoshop World in Washington DC (USA) - will IrfanView/MSPaint/GIMP filibuster the event? ;-)

April
+ 14-19: NAB 2012 in Las Vegas (USA)
+ 24-29: Photo & Imaging 2012 in Seoul (Korea)

May
+ 24-27: PMA Australia in Melbourne (Australia)
+ 25-27: ExpoSure (Henry's) in Mississauga (Canada)

June
+ 1-2: Cine Gear Expo in Los Angeles (USA)
+ 5-7: Computex Taipei in Taipei

August
+ 31- Sept 5: IFA 2012 in Berlin (Germany)

September
+ 6-11: IBC 2012 in Amsterdaaam (Holland)
+ 18-23: Photokina (also in German) in Cologne/Koln (Germany)
+ 19-21: DV Expo in Southern California (USA)

So I can see there are som more importatnt trade shows here. If you ask me I will bet on some of these to announcement:

1.) 16-23 of February - WPPI (Wedding & Portrait Photography - as far as I know many of wedding photogs are using 5D-s)
2.) 6-10 of March - CeBIT (I think here could be announced new Rebel)
3.) 14-19 of April - NAB (big show so maybe there)
4.) 18-23 of September - Photokina (big show, I expect some new stuff here).

Nice list

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

5D whatever wise... I'd put my five cents on one of the Vegas events. And if not, let's book at the hilton and attend the Elvis Presley show, or let's stroll over to the Sand's and see Sinatra do come fly with me... To see them perform again is almost more likely than a new Canon body before Photokina 8) :

 

[mathino]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I've been looking around for some info about trade shows/conferences scheduled in 2012. So here is the list.

February
+ 9-12: CP Plus in Tokyo (Japan)
+ 16-23: WPPI (full conference) in Las Vegas (USA) - the trade show is February 20-22


March
+ 4-7: Focus on Imaging in Birmingham (UK)
+ 6-10: CeBIT in Hannover (Germany)
+ 24-26: Photoshop World in Washington DC (USA) - will IrfanView/MSPaint/GIMP filibuster the event? ;-)

April
+ 14-19: NAB 2012 in Las Vegas (USA)
+ 24-29: Photo & Imaging 2012 in Seoul (Korea)

May
+ 24-27: PMA Australia in Melbourne (Australia)
+ 25-27: ExpoSure (Henry's) in Mississauga (Canada)

June
+ 1-2: Cine Gear Expo in Los Angeles (USA)
+ 5-7: Computex Taipei in Taipei

August
+ 31- Sept 5: IFA 2012 in Berlin (Germany)

September
+ 6-11: IBC 2012 in Amsterdaaam (Holland)
+ 18-23: Photokina (also in German) in Cologne/Koln (Germany)
+ 19-21: DV Expo in Southern California (USA)

So I can see there are som more importatnt trade shows here. If you ask me I will bet on some of these to announcement:

1.) 16-23 of February - WPPI (Wedding & Portrait Photography - as far as I know many of wedding photogs are using 5D-s)
2.) 6-10 of March - CeBIT (I think here could be announced new Rebel)
3.) 14-19 of April - NAB (big show so maybe there)
4.) 18-23 of September - Photokina (big show, I expect some new stuff here).

Nice list

Took quiet a while to find it but it gives us at least some clue when we can expect something. Hope for whatever-it-wil-be-called-22 mpx-good high ISO-good AF-camera before summer ! It will also burst Canon sales into very high level. And ofc some lenses would be welcomed (at leaste updated 50 f/1.4 USM).

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

I^m in...and I will take a stunning ISO 25600 pic of Presley at full blast !!!

 

[K-amps]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

Why not. ISO limits are set by firmware. Photosamples are jpeg's, which implies Dual Digic magic fairy dust... As long as the RAW noise levels are on par, we should be ecstatic!

 

[mathino]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

5D whatever wise... I'd put my five cents on one of the Vegas events. And if not, let's book at the hilton and attend the Elvis Presley show, or let's stroll over to the Sand's and see Sinatra do come fly with me... To see them perform again is almost more likely than a new Canon body before Photokina 8) :

I think that Vegas shows are quiet possible.
1.) First is for wedding & portrait photogs - 5D Mark III (with specs as mentioned) is camera that will be used buy those photogs
2.) Second is NAB - it is a big show and there could be 5D Mark III announced too. Also RED is there listed ad far as I remeber. So basicly I am thinking of this show due to some new video features on new body.

...and if they announce 5D Mark III (with those specs) before summer then some of photogs of Olympics may buy them as new backup bodies. Just my thoughts.

I bet my 2 cents on 40+ mpx body on Photokina or even later.

 

[K-amps]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Two cameras with different sensors or same sensors but different firmware?

I believe they should be the different sensors.

+1: Sensors need to be optimized/ fine tuned. If by firmware you mean a crop... then both cannot be true FF sensors from a "framing" perspective. The latter won't be "wide" enough.

No, I didn't mean cropped. Rather one sensor 45MP with gapless subpixels producing 22MP raws...

That would be nice, kind of like they do with jpegs... but I fear converting RAW will yield in loss of data since it would need to be converted anyway and rendered, thus.... wont really be RAW anymore... right?

 

[moreorless]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Splitting a line while merging another (1D series) doesn't seem very logical to me.
I'm sure we'll soon see 2 new DSLRs from Canon but I doubt they'll belong to the same line...

I don't really view the 1DX as "merging" a lineup but rather as the 1D line shifting to FF now that Canon has the tech to do so and keep 10+ fps and the 1Ds line being killed off.

The 1Ds mk3 seemed to me to be a camera that didnt fully know what its market was, alot of studio/landscape users felt they didnt need its double grip, fast AF or reasonable FPS and bought 5D mk2's instead. If this 5DX were to happen then it could be targeted much more specifically at those users giving ultra high resolution, 100% viewfinder, widely spaced AF that was accurate more than fast, single grip body etc.

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

• why only 51200 ISO while 1DX has 204800? i can't believe their sensosr has 2 steps difference in sensivity.

  
  Why not. ISO limits are set by firmware. Photosamples are jpeg's, which implies Dual Digic magic fairy dust... As long as the RAW noise levels are on par, we should be ecstatic!

  
  Then I wasn't that wrong with my guess.
  
  So, given this fact there are some additional technical questions:
  
  Can a sensor get hacked then to yield more ISO range?
  Let's say if Canon implements a derivate of the 1Dx sensor into the new whatever 5D (as posted at NL today) and lock it to 51200?
  The other question:
  Are sensors "programmed" to a certain ISO range or are they kind of "neutral"?
  
  Thanks for helping a non-tech.

 

[Loswr]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

Are sensors "programmed" to a certain ISO range or are they kind of "neutral"?

A sensor has a given senstivity, just one sensitivity, e.g. ISO 100. What is specified as the 'native' ISO range (100-51200 for the 1D X) is achieved by on-sensor amplifiers, meaning it's an analog gain. The expanded ISO range - L, H1, and H2 - are achieved by digital amplification (or reduction for ISO 50) of the analog signal, after analog-to-digital conversion.

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

@neuro: thx a lot!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

For all of you, I am not sure if this is a correct source or not, but Taiwanese Photographer Kevin Wang, who was lucky enough to have the chance to test the 5Dmk3, just posted a video of the 5dmk3 commercial video on his facebook, it seems that the specs are:

28.1 megapixel, 8.2fps continuious shooting mode, iso range 50-12800 (I assume this is including h1&h2), digic 5 processor, 45 cross typed af points and similar body design with the mk2 but with slight adjustment ergonomically. ~

Anyone got any info on that one?? please correct me if i am wrong~

Those specs would be pretty much my 100% ideal, sounds awesome, but sadly there is no way he would have and post the 5D3 commercial he'd have been sued to bankruptcy by now. I didn't check the link but there have been lots of fake 5D3 commercials going around.
And I don't see Canon going 8.2fps if they get it up to 28MP, I think they'd stop at 6.3fps of the 50D to as to not threaten the 1DX quite that much and because a 6fps FF mirror/shutter probably would cost them some real degree less money to produce than an 8fps one.

28MP, 6fps, 1D4 AF, something like that would be reasonable IMO, and awesome, they could produce that in their sleep but it's a little hard to have full faith with the way they've been acting the last half decade plus. A large part of me thinks it might be specs very much like 28MP,6fps,better than 7D AF, for certain reasons, and I'd almost be sure but CR/NL keep coming out with rumors anything BUT that so I don't know anymore.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]

this rumor is taken with a very large grain of salt...

I think this rumor makes the Dead Sea look fresh.