A New EOS M with EVF Second Half of 2014?

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<strong>Interview with Mr Masaya Maeda


</strong>DCWatch has <a href="http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20131209_626786.html" target="_blank">posted an interview</a> (Google translated) with Mr Masaya Maeda from Canon Japan. He touches on the EOS M as well as a few other things in the interview.</p>
<p><strong>The main points  from the conversation</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>A new EOS M3 camera could arrive in the 2nd half of 2014 with an EVF</li>
<li>New EF-M lenses are coming, though worldwide availability isn’t mentioned.</li>
<li>Canon is considering a prosumer/professional mirrorless camera</li>
<li>Video performance will be a key feature of future EOS M development.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong><a href="http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20131209_626786.html" target="_blank">Read the full interview</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>CR’s Take</strong>

It sounds like Canon has changed its plans with EOS M. It feels like the EOS M2 may just be a stop-gap between the EOS M1 and a more advanced EOS M body & system.</p>
<p>We’ve also heard more reports from Europe that the M2 is not coming to that continent and Canon USA is taking the “not at this time” approach.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20131209_626786.html" target="_blank">DC</a>] via [<a href="http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-m-built-evf-may-arrive-second-half-2014/" target="_blank">CW</a>]</p>
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[noncho]

Now that sounds much better about the future of M

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

Now that sounds much better about the future of M

+1. I particularly like the sound that more lenses are coming. I'm actually not dissatisfied with my M body for the minimal amount that I have invested in it, but I really want a EF-M mount telephoto along with another fast prime somewhere around 50mm.

 

[pinktech]

A small viewfinder, meh. Waiting for a new camera so they can up the video technology, ARGHHHH. I take stills and don't like paying or waiting for all that video technology, and I don't think I'm alone here. I wish there were 'Photographer' versions of these advanced cameras.

 

[sanj]

well well well

 

[dadgummit]

Just give me the M or M2 with the 70D Sensor. that is all I want, otnerwise the system is perfect.

The EVF will just add bulk. If I want a view finder I will use the 5d3 or the 7d, It really is not that hard to frame a shot with the screen on the back. The whole point of mirrorless is the small size . I am glad Canon is at least getting that right if little else.

 

[EchoLocation]

we really have to wait until the second half of 2014 for the possibility of an M with a viewfinder? The M has been out well over a year now and there is no replacement in the works? Aren't these sort of entry level cameras usually replaced every year or so? Why are they so unprepared and disinterested in making a compelling product?
The only positive hope I have is that they dont want to piss off Americans when they rehash the M system in to a full frame option next year so they are just keeping it low profile and focusing more on the Asian market in the meantime.
I'd be thrilled if Canon created a full frame mirrorless option to lead the EOS-M lineup.

 

[JonAustin]

I particularly like the sound that more lenses are coming. I'm actually not dissatisfied with my M body for the minimal amount that I have invested in it, but I really want a EF-M mount telephoto along with another fast prime somewhere around 50mm.

In the meantime, have you considered the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter?

 

[mrsfotografie]

Now that sounds much better about the future of M

Yes it does. In the mean time I've been enjoying my Nex-6 over the past 8 months. Sorry Canon, again too little, (much) too late... :

 

[JonAustin]

I read these threads about the EOS-M (and mirrorless bodies in general) out of idle curiosity. It's interesting to view the wide range of opinions, from those (like myself) who have no interest in this P&S/SLR hybrid product category, to those who think it's perfect as is, to those who want just this or that tweak or upgrade to fit their needs / desires.

I think the reason why Canon is proceeding so slowly is because they have yet to determine whether this will survive as a viable (profitable) product category. Some seem to think it marks the beginning of the end of the SLR as we know it, while others appear to believe it will be no more than a footnote in the history of photographic equipment. I tend to think it'll survive as a niche category between the small, fixed lens superzoom bodies (that are one step above the P&S compacts) and SLRs. So Canon is proceeding cautiously, not wanting to ignore the category completely, but also not investing too heavily or quickly, in case it turns out to be a flash in the pan of the overall photography market. Interesting times.

 

[fxk]

A small viewfinder, meh. Waiting for a new camera so they can up the video technology, ARGHHHH. I take stills and don't like paying or waiting for all that video technology, and I don't think I'm alone here. I wish there were 'Photographer' versions of these advanced cameras.

I agree. Waiting (paying) for improved video tech is a waste for me. I'm a still photographer. I also understand video is NOW and stills a past age. "Photographer" versions would not be economically viable. It's taken a while, but I've figured out that the EVF would be for stills primarily and much less for video. No EVF? Duh. Maybe they'll make goog on the promise of an EVF on the M3. I'm not holding my breath.

I am skeptical about the new M showing up mid 2014. And this worldwide distribution question can't help.

Maybe I'll hold off a bit on the Fuji...

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[Bob Howland]

Second half of 2014 with an emphasis on video? The Panasonic GH4 is coming out in the first half of 2014...with 4K/30p video.

 

[pharp]

.. and it'll cost as much as the 6D is going for now, so while I like my M (at the price I paid for it), who needs an under spec'd, over priced M w/EVF?

 

[cellomaster27]

A eos-m with evf would be amazing! Who likes looking at a LCD screen for photos.. Besides video. With canon's incremental developments seen in many of the models, I almost think that the DPAF sensor is kinda far for this lineup. If canon is going to implement the same tech (not necessarily mp) into the 7d II, cine, 5dx, etc.. Maybe eos-m 4? Or something like that. Unless they pump out a high end eos-m. They could have one out before the 7d II and other models with DPAF, but the eos-m could kill other sales if it has the same sensor. Yes, dslrs are not comparable ergonomically, build, etc to mirrorless but you guys know what I mean.

 

[linus]

To the extent that Canon realized it had a pr problem (after last week's news that the m2 wouldn't be sold outside Asia) this is good news.

As an m1 owner it's exciting to hear that an evf one is still in the pipeline and that video (which seemed always to be a potential strength with these) will be a focus in the future.

If the anticipated evf model comes out next year I think it will make the system formidable among mirrorless cameras (even if I think it is already underrated given the first one's capabilities and solid [if limited] native lens offerings).

 

[unfocused]

Relying on Google Translate is dangerous, I admit, and I'd love for someone to provide a better translation.

Here is what I think the interview says:

Canon is committed to EOS-M. They intend to introduce new lenses to support the system. The main reason for EOS-M is smaller size. (My take – there will be new EOS-M lenses introduced. Don't hold your breath for a full frame EOS-M – defeats the purpose of smaller size and would require a third set of lenses. Not gonna happen)

Canon's focus is not mirrorless or SLR, it is both. (My take – aside from a good line, this is probably true. Canon and Nikon are both way too invested in the SLR format to give it up without a fight. SL-1 is probably just one of many innovations we will see from these two manufacturers as they work to keep SLRs viable)

Future of DSLRS (My take – he seems to be saying that the future development for DSLRs will be in improved sensor performance and innovation, such as the dual pixel technology. But there also seems to be some references to overall sensor quality. Kind of a no-brainer but it sounds like he is saying that the improvements in future DSLRs will be in incremental improvements in the quality of the capture)

Future of Point and Shoots (My take: he seems to be saying that they recognize that fixed-lens compacts have to adapt. It sounds like they feel the future lies in niche cameras -- high quality pocketable cameras, superzoom cameras, probably waterproof, etc. But, they think the format is still viable and they are adapting to changing market conditions)

Video (My take: it's clear from the interview they are very comfortable with where Canon is at in terms of the video market and we should all expect them to continue to innovate and emphasize video functionality in their products.)

I'm hoping someone can provide a real human translation, rather than a machine translation, but that's what I think are the high points. Feel free to correct and add your own interpretations.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Interesting ... I think by 2015 the big players (Canon & Nikon) could very well come up with full frame mirror less cameras.

 

[ishdakuteb]

suggest to be integrated instead of add-on EVF

 

[9VIII]

On the topic of EVFs being small, I just realized that the size of the viewfinder is another area where the EVF could be superior. They can make an EVF as big as they want, where an SLR is limited by the size of the image coming off the mirror.

I guess the reason we haven't seen any super wide field of view EVFs would be the extra size, which again makes me want a no-compromise pro mirrorless body.

 

[Albi86]

One thing is not clear: what is this M2 going to offer over the competition?

Not a bigger or better sensor, not a better lens selection... Why would one pick it? They had to drop the price ridiculously in order to get the M1 competitive. Are they going the down same way again, yet somehow they expect a different result?