A New EOS M with EVF Second Half of 2014?

[jasonsim]

we really have to wait until the second half of 2014 for the possibility of an M with a viewfinder? The M has been out well over a year now and there is no replacement in the works? Aren't these sort of entry level cameras usually replaced every year or so? Why are they so unprepared and disinterested in making a compelling product?
The only positive hope I have is that they dont want to piss off Americans when they rehash the M system in to a full frame option next year so they are just keeping it low profile and focusing more on the Asian market in the meantime.
I'd be thrilled if Canon created a full frame mirrorless option to lead the EOS-M lineup.

I don't believe the EOS M was ever meant to be entry level. It has a nice solid body and feel. The ef-m lenses are all top quality with metal mounts. All that's missing are the red rings. So, it should not be surprising that no next version will be available anytime soon.

I am just hoping, as others are too, that Canon will come out with some telephoto lenses (zoom or prime). At least to get you to 200mm. Even something like an ef-m 15-85mm IS STM would be a real hit!

Kind regards,
Jason S.

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

I particularly like the sound that more lenses are coming. I'm actually not dissatisfied with my M body for the minimal amount that I have invested in it, but I really want a EF-M mount telephoto along with another fast prime somewhere around 50mm.

In the meantime, have you considered the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter?

I own it. Have you considered the size of the 70-300L mounted on an M body? I'm not trying to be snarky, but my point is that I would like a very compact (M sized) telephoto to take for a tele option while traveling. For general purpose travel I often carry my 70-300L along with a general purpose zoom (Tamron 24-70 VC) and one of my 6D bodies, but I shoot relatively few tele shots and that makes the 70-300L a weight that I sometimes regret carrying. A compact tele on the M would satisfy that need while taking up far less space and weighing a fraction of the 70-300L's bulk. The lenses that have been developed for the M have been excellent, and a compact 50-200 tele would be a great option.

 

[AvTvM]

WOW!!!

Canon considers announcing another incrementally improved iteration of a marketing crippled small-sensored low-DR hi-banding very video-optimized very small EOS-M# maybe even accompanied by boring new lens (but not for sale outside Japan) in late 2014 already!

Way to go Canon! You are the best. No other camera manufacturer could bring us such a marvel of innovation so soon. Not Nikon and most definitely not Sony.

;D

 

[dufflover]

It'll be interesting how much size the EVF adds. For me any size increase would knock it off the list and I'd rather just go with the SLR. I'm not against EVFs; infact I'd love EVFs once they get to a good smooth and sharp appearance (I've heard Sony is getting close ...) because I could definitely use the "predicted exposure" view and then things like little x10 focus insets, etc. If people want to label it as a crutch, so be it. I'll happily take the features. But that's EVFs in general ... EOS-M for me is all size. Pity the pancake is as chunky as it is.

 

[brad-man]

It'll be interesting how much size the EVF adds. For me any size increase would knock it off the list and I'd rather just go with the SLR. I'm not against EVFs; infact I'd love EVFs once they get to a good smooth and sharp appearance (I've heard Sony is getting close ...) because I could definitely use the "predicted exposure" view and then things like little x10 focus insets, etc. If people want to label it as a crutch, so be it. I'll happily take the features. But that's EVFs in general ... EOS-M for me is all size. Pity the pancake is as chunky as it is.

OK. I am very fond of my M. I have read many here talking smack about its limitations. Fair enough. I am not comparing the M with DSLRs, I am comparing it to P&S cameras, and with that in mind, I like it. All I really want is a couple more primes. I have the 18-55 and it is a very nice zoom. I just don't like the size. Give me an EF-M 15f/x and an EF-M 50f/x in a pancake size and I will be very happy indeed. However, I draw the line at anyone badmouthing the wonderful EF-M22. CHUNKY! Compared to what? It is a truly perfect lens for this camera, so that will be enough of that 8)

 

[JonAustin]

... have you considered the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter?

I own it. Have you considered the size of the 70-300L mounted on an M body? I'm not trying to be snarky, but my point is that I would like a very compact (M sized) telephoto to take for a tele option while traveling. For general purpose travel I often carry my 70-300L along with a general purpose zoom (Tamron 24-70 VC) and one of my 6D bodies, but I shoot relatively few tele shots and that makes the 70-300L a weight that I sometimes regret carrying. A compact tele on the M would satisfy that need while taking up far less space and weighing a fraction of the 70-300L's bulk. The lenses that have been developed for the M have been excellent, and a compact 50-200 tele would be a great option.

No snarkiness taken. You didn't cite the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter in your rather comprehensive list of gear, so I didn't know you already had one. I don't disagree that a large EF telezoom mounted on the M is unwieldy. I recall a photo I saw during the early days following the release of the M, that had one with either a 600- or 800mm lens mounted ... I think the absurdity of its appearance was the entire point.

I agree with you about the weight and bulk of the bigger telezooms ... I sometimes regret humping my 70-200/2.8 IS along on trips -- frequently with the 1.4x TC attached -- when I end up not using it.

Anyway, I don't personally own or want a mirrorless camera, so I'm just a bystander here. (Nor can I talk my wife into replacing her S95 with one; it was a major achievement just to get her to switch from shooting in full auto to Program AE, so I could change the capture format from JPEG to RAW.)

 

[eml58]

well well well

To little too late, enjoying the a7r.

 

[Proffarm]

It'll be interesting how much size the EVF adds. For me any size increase would knock it off the list and I'd rather just go with the SLR. I'm not against EVFs; infact I'd love EVFs once they get to a good smooth and sharp appearance (I've heard Sony is getting close ...) because I could definitely use the "predicted exposure" view and then things like little x10 focus insets, etc. If people want to label it as a crutch, so be it. I'll happily take the features. But that's EVFs in general ... EOS-M for me is all size. Pity the pancake is as chunky as it is.

OK. I am very fond of my M. I have read many here talking smack about its limitations. Fair enough. I am not comparing the M with DSLRs, I am comparing it to P&S cameras, and with that in mind, I like it. All I really want is a couple more primes. I have the 18-55 and it is a very nice zoom. I just don't like the size. Give me an EF-M 15f/x and an EF-M 50f/x in a pancake size and I will be very happy indeed. However, I draw the line at anyone badmouthing the wonderful EF-M22. CHUNKY! Compared to what? It is a truly perfect lens for this camera, so that will be enough of that 8)

Seriously... Chunky..? Yeah, sure, it's chunky-chunky compared to my iPhone 5 I guess...

M LOVERS UNITE!!!!!!

 

[djrocks66]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

 

[drjlo]

"Video performance will be a key feature of future EOS M development."

Meh.. Just give us more outperforming EF-M lenses! My EF-M 22 mm and 18-55 mm are outstanding lenses, performing way above their prices

 

[Zv]

New lenses? Great. Just when I gave up and bought two FD lenses! I've been using the FD 50mm 1.4 and it actually doesn't look all that big on the M. It's a little front heavy but I like the weight and you can grip it better with your left hand cradling the lens.

I also bought an FD 100mm 2.8, just waiting for it to arrive.

Since we already have a wide angle zoom and general purpose zoom it stands to reason we'll see a tele zoom for the M. That would be very interesting. Perhaps a prime to go along with it? I hope it has IS as the M really needs it.

This is promising news for the M series, I'm glad Canon haven't decided to scrap it totally.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

Yeah the touch screen... that's what I like about my Nex-6; Sony went for dials and it has no touchscreen

 

[sanj]

well well well

To little too late, enjoying the a7r.

I am so eying the Fuji XE2 with the 23mm 1.4. Suits my needs better for my 'casual' camera needs - f1.4. Great high ISO, light, built in flash. I do not need full frame for my 'casual/dinner out' camera.

Having said that I am glad you enjoying a7r. If I did not have my Canon gear I would certainly choose the Sony to be my camera. I think after I get the XE2 I will stop carrying my 5d3 for holidays.

 

[djrocks66]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

Yeah the touch screen... that's what I like about my Nex-6; Sony went for dials and it has no touchscreen

I had a Nex-6. Great camera but I couldn't stand the menu system and you are right, it begged for a touch screen. I love the touch screen on the M but I just wish you can turn it off at times because I keep changing settings when I accidentally bump the screen.

 

[fxk]

New lenses? Great. Just when I gave up and bought two FD lenses! I've been using the FD 50mm 1.4 and it actually doesn't look all that big on the M. It's a little front heavy but I like the weight and you can grip it better with your left hand cradling the lens.

I also bought an FD 100mm 2.8, just waiting for it to arrive.

Since we already have a wide angle zoom and general purpose zoom it stands to reason we'll see a tele zoom for the M. That would be very interesting. Perhaps a prime to go along with it? I hope it has IS as the M really needs it.

This is promising news for the M series, I'm glad Canon haven't decided to scrap it totally.

ANY camera held at arm's length would need IS - that's one MAJOR advantage with an eye level viewfinder - it becomes a three point brace (head, left hand and right hand all braced against the bod) and the camera can be cradled in the left hand worth at least 2 stops.

People (at least this people) would want something larger than than a FB or any social media post - that's where the big sensor comes into play. The bigger the blowup, the steadier the camera needs to be (and still be sharp)

Canon has already made the decision not to follow other maker's lead with in-camera IS. I think that's apparent in the lenses coming out, mostly all with IS in the lens.

Same thing for the FF dreamers - Canon has designed these lenses with the image circle to cover the APS-C sensor, not FF. Don't count on yet another line of canon lenses in this mount with the image circle large enough for FF.

Bracing the camera is fact. Of course, the last two points is me reading the tea leaves - YMMV.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

Yeah the touch screen... that's what I like about my Nex-6; Sony went for dials and it has no touchscreen

I had a Nex-6. Great camera but I couldn't stand the menu system and you are right, it begged for a touch screen. I love the touch screen on the M but I just wish you can turn it off at times because I keep changing settings when I accidentally bump the screen.

I don't miss the touch screen, but that said, I like the NEX-6 but I don't love it.

 

[AvTvM]

Same thing for the FF dreamers - Canon has designed these lenses with the image circle to cover the APS-C sensor, not FF. Don't count on yet another line of canon lenses in this mount with the image circle large enough for FF.

Bracing the camera is fact. Of course, the last two points is me reading the tea leaves - YMMV.

Canon will have to offer a range of FF mirrorless cameras with a shorter-than-EF-flange-distance. Plus new, native lenses. There will be much less pain than in the transition from FD to EF lenses, since EF to shorter-flange-distance can easily be bridged by adapters. So existing lenses do not use their functionality at once.

Only question is WHEN, not IF. I'd say they are not able to do it in 2014. By 2015 they might be.

 

[djrocks66]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

Yeah the touch screen... that's what I like about my Nex-6; Sony went for dials and it has no touchscreen

I had a Nex-6. Great camera but I couldn't stand the menu system and you are right, it begged for a touch screen. I love the touch screen on the M but I just wish you can turn it off at times because I keep changing settings when I accidentally bump the screen.

I don't miss the touch screen, but that said, I like the NEX-6 but I don't love it.

Sorry, I thought you said you wished the NEX-6 had a touch screen.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Not sure I would have paid top dollar for the M. I swore I wouldn't get another small camera without a viewfinder or at least an add on. I just couldn't pass up the huge price drop to $299 with the 22mm lens. I love this little camera. If it had a fill flash and the option to turn off the touch screen it would be perfect for my use. But I still enjoy using it when I want to go nimble. It produces great images. Here are some from the other night all ISO 1600. The Theater at MSG.

Yeah the touch screen... that's what I like about my Nex-6; Sony went for dials and it has no touchscreen

I had a Nex-6. Great camera but I couldn't stand the menu system and you are right, it begged for a touch screen. I love the touch screen on the M but I just wish you can turn it off at times because I keep changing settings when I accidentally bump the screen.

I don't miss the touch screen, but that said, I like the NEX-6 but I don't love it.

Sorry, I thought you said you wished the NEX-6 had a touch screen.

I like camera's that I can operate by 'feel' ie with my eye to the viewfinder; hence I don't really like touch screens

 

[Sella174]

The only reason to buy this EOS-M2 (and the future EOS-M3) is the seamless integration of current EF/EF-S lenses. As a system (or a camera) in own right, the EOS-M/M2 is nearly four years behind micro-4/3. By the time Canon gets to where mirrorless systems are today (e.g. Panasonic GX7 and Olympus E-M1), even Sony will have (in all probability) a fairly decent set of (native, FF mirrorless) lenses. Canon executives should go read up on (biological) mass extinctions and then look at their own products.