After the A7RII, What does the 5D4/X need to have?
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So, I had to check the date on this post to make sure it was actually posted after the 5ds/r arrived. Ok, here is my take
1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. unless they are dropping the 5ds/r line, this won't be a big mp camera - my guess is it'll be 24-28mp.
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2
3. ALL Crosstype AF
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix.
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. hopeful, but doubt it
6. Dual CFlook to the 5ds/r, it has cf and sd, so shall the 5d4
7. 7 FPS thinking this may be up a bit more, only because it kind needs to have a fast frame rate to set it apart from the 5ds
8. Dual Pixel AF
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort.fine if it has it but personally don't care
10. Touchscreen
11. RAW 1080P if possible. same as the 4k thing, don't care
12. Built-in RT flash controller. Strongly doubt it
13. Peaking and Zebra to show how much i care about this ...so peaking and zebra's...is that like being on LSD at the zoo? lol, not a video guy so no clue what these things even are....lol
14. USB Type-C/3.0
15. 3499$ or Less at launch. reasonable, give or take
to those who want the 5d4 to have lower frame rate and higher mp's, seriously go rent a 5ds/r. If you want res, and quality, that's the beast for it. pushing the 5d4 over 30 mp's just doesn't make sense with the 5ds on the scene. The 5d4 will way more than likely continue on as the general purpose body.
no pessimism, that is what will more than likely happen as there isn't much room for this to be a monster on the spec sheet.
I will say this, canon is making my plans difficult. LOL, after renting a 5ds I can say i really really like that camera. Before using it I thought, that's way too much for what I do (weddings), the 5d4 is gonna be the thing I need. But, as it stands, I don't need frame rate, I'd love a bit more high ISO quality, but, for the shots where it really matters (big prints or just wow that's awesome shots) - those will be with more controlled lighting anyway.
So for me, I don't need the super crazy fps, and unless something drastically changes - it looks as though the combo of a 5d3 and a 5ds will be my future setup (would be already but decided to invest in a iMac first). Yes, down the road when my 5d3 has more clicks on it, i may replace it with a 5d4 but I am highly doubtful I will be anywhere near an early adopter of it.
1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. unless they are dropping the 5ds/r line, this won't be a big mp camera - my guess is it'll be 24-28mp.
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2
3. ALL Crosstype AF
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix.
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. hopeful, but doubt it
6. Dual CFlook to the 5ds/r, it has cf and sd, so shall the 5d4
7. 7 FPS thinking this may be up a bit more, only because it kind needs to have a fast frame rate to set it apart from the 5ds
8. Dual Pixel AF
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort.fine if it has it but personally don't care
10. Touchscreen
11. RAW 1080P if possible. same as the 4k thing, don't care
12. Built-in RT flash controller. Strongly doubt it
13. Peaking and Zebra to show how much i care about this ...so peaking and zebra's...is that like being on LSD at the zoo? lol, not a video guy so no clue what these things even are....lol
14. USB Type-C/3.0
15. 3499$ or Less at launch. reasonable, give or take
to those who want the 5d4 to have lower frame rate and higher mp's, seriously go rent a 5ds/r. If you want res, and quality, that's the beast for it. pushing the 5d4 over 30 mp's just doesn't make sense with the 5ds on the scene. The 5d4 will way more than likely continue on as the general purpose body.
Zv said:
no pessimism, that is what will more than likely happen as there isn't much room for this to be a monster on the spec sheet.
I will say this, canon is making my plans difficult. LOL, after renting a 5ds I can say i really really like that camera. Before using it I thought, that's way too much for what I do (weddings), the 5d4 is gonna be the thing I need. But, as it stands, I don't need frame rate, I'd love a bit more high ISO quality, but, for the shots where it really matters (big prints or just wow that's awesome shots) - those will be with more controlled lighting anyway.
So for me, I don't need the super crazy fps, and unless something drastically changes - it looks as though the combo of a 5d3 and a 5ds will be my future setup (would be already but decided to invest in a iMac first). Yes, down the road when my 5d3 has more clicks on it, i may replace it with a 5d4 but I am highly doubtful I will be anywhere near an early adopter of it.
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Well, Canon has already lost me over to Sony. To win me back, it'd take ->
As for Sony's lens depth, to me it's more than deep enough. There are surprisingly many great AF optics to choose from in the focal lengths I use 95% of the time. For the other 5% I have a mirrored adapter and a Tamron 150-600mm. I don't care how many lenses Canon makes. I can only use very few of them to get the images I want. How many 50mm lenses does a person really need? Or how many 400mm lenses, for that matter? One of each is more than sufficient.
It seems to me that Canon believes their market research _proves_ they have nothing to worry about from mirrorless. That's fine. But it still saddens me from time to time that I had to let Canon go after 4 decades of using their equipment.
- 700gram or less body weight
- FF body size as close to Sony's APS-C A6000 as possible (yes, Canon has said they would like to "target" their DSLRs to the old AE-1 body size, which would be "close enough" for me - but I've seen NOTHING from Canon that leads me to believe they were serious when they said that)
- Lens weights on par with Zeiss/Leica/Voightlander or even, *gasp* old manual focus film-camera era lenses, as well as smaller/lighter zooms
- WiFi that connects directly to the 'net
- In-camera apps that allow me to manage and then share images to social media sites directly
- NFC that allows the camera to talk to my tablets so I can transfer images in the field and work on them in-situ
- Sensor tech that matches Sony's dark area noise capabilities
- Silent "global" electronic shutter
- 4k video
As for Sony's lens depth, to me it's more than deep enough. There are surprisingly many great AF optics to choose from in the focal lengths I use 95% of the time. For the other 5% I have a mirrored adapter and a Tamron 150-600mm. I don't care how many lenses Canon makes. I can only use very few of them to get the images I want. How many 50mm lenses does a person really need? Or how many 400mm lenses, for that matter? One of each is more than sufficient.
It seems to me that Canon believes their market research _proves_ they have nothing to worry about from mirrorless. That's fine. But it still saddens me from time to time that I had to let Canon go after 4 decades of using their equipment.
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Random Orbits said:
Since AF is better on the 6D in some respects and weaker in others it pretty much boils down to the dual card slots? I think most will say that giving 1.000$ extra to have dual cards reflects a very specific need for dual card slots. Which of course some people will have.
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Maiaibing said:
No, Servo AF on the 5DIII is much better than 6D. Spread is also better than 6D. 5DII also works at f/8. 6D goes to -3 instead of -2, which is a feature that I have lacked maybe 2 shots out of 30,000+. The AFs between the two cameras are not comparable. The 5DIII AF is more comparable to the 1DX than 6D, unless you're saying that the 1DX AF isn't any better than the 6D...
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benperrin said:
I would like to see a tilt screen (at the very least) so when I am working on the ground.
Plus histogram in the viewfinder and dual pixels where you one set of pixels spills into the other to get 16+ steps of DR
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dilbert said:
Right, esp. when combined with magnification in an EVF. If Canon could somehow combine these with IBIS in a FF camera, regardless of what else it could do, I would be more than a little interested (I don't care whether it qualifies as 5D4 or some such).
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Whatever they come up with it will likely be a whole lot more stable than the a7rii.
Stable 4k would be nice.
Stable 4k would be nice.
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My interpretation is:sanj said:
1) Dynamic range - Maximum ratio of highlights to noise in captured image
2) Colour Accuracy - Fidelity of recording of reference colours under given light sources
3) Sharpness - Detail (e.g. IIRC, People complained that the 5D-III was able to resolve more detail than the D800, possible due to an excessively strong AA filter on the D800)
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ChristopherMarkPerez said:
Sony DOES have the lenses I would use most frequently (16-35, 24-70, 70-200) Unfortunately they fall short of Canon's offerings while still carrying premium pricing.
I like a lot of what Sony offers on paper but the proof is working in the field. So far we have no real reports from anyone who has worked in a professional capacity with the gear.
As for weight, Sony is light and a DSLR can be a lot smaller than the 5DkIII but AF lenses with IS that cover FF are just not in the cards. Leica and Voigtlander lenses were designed for film cameras and perform poorly on ML bodies at the shorter FLs. A tele centric design greatly increases the size but is necessary for good performance.
I would also note that the demand for ever better performance form lenses has given us the Otus and Sigma Art lines that are not known for compactness.
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For Me, in order of importance!!
1. ISO, ISO, ISO- as clean as possible as high as possible
2. Better metering
3. 1/250 sync with flashes- same as the older aps-c
4. 7-8 fps (can't honestly see it going higher because of 1D and 7D)
5. Any increase in MP would be welcome
6. Continued/ better weather sealing so NO tilt screen and not interested in touchscreen
Not really interested in Video so won't comment on those specs
I'm fine with size and weight
1. ISO, ISO, ISO- as clean as possible as high as possible
2. Better metering
3. 1/250 sync with flashes- same as the older aps-c
4. 7-8 fps (can't honestly see it going higher because of 1D and 7D)
5. Any increase in MP would be welcome
6. Continued/ better weather sealing so NO tilt screen and not interested in touchscreen
Not really interested in Video so won't comment on those specs
I'm fine with size and weight
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RGF said:
People looking for tilt screens and/or swivel screens.
Look into getting a field monitor. Easier to lose a field monitor when you drop the camera than to replace a tilt/swivel screen on the camera.
Here this is perfect for those looking for a swivel:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840777-REG/Dot_Line_CS_SWIVI_SWIVI_External_Monitor_for.html
Advantages:
-larger screen
-peaking built in
Disadvantages:
-Camera becomes heavier
-May need more batteries. Some even use LP-E6 batteries.
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dak723 said:
I have to agree with you. It's an interesting thing- I did some portraits last week with a nikon guy and even given the same settings and processing, and similar lenses, we preferred the skin tones the canon was giving us. I don't have an explanation for this. Maybe the tonal curves as you say.
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