After the A7RII, What does the 5D4/X need to have?

[RLPhoto]

So, I'm probably going to purchase a A7RII but I'm still looking forward to the 5D4. If canon still puts a decent product, I could be swayed to hold off my purchase of the A7RII for native mount lenses/flashes.

This is what I'd like to see.

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ.
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2
3. ALL Crosstype AF
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix.
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump.
6. Dual CF
7. 7 FPS
8. Dual Pixel AF
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort.
10. Touchscreen
11. RAW 1080P if possible.
12. Built-in RT flash controller.
13. Peaking and Zebra
14. USB Type-C/3.0
15. 3499$ or Less at launch.

 

[3kramd5]

I own an a7r2, but I'm still looking forward to the 5D4

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. Doesn't need to be that high for me. I'd prefer higher framerates
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2 yes
3. ALL Crosstype AF yes
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix. yes
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. yes
6. Dual CF yes, preferably CFAST
7. 7 FPS 10FPS
8. Dual Pixel AF unless it's been heavily refined, I don't care
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort. don't care
10. Touchscreen don't care, but if DPAF is included, this should be too
11. RAW 1080P if possible. don't care
12. Built-in RT flash controller. yes
13. Peaking and Zebra yes
14. USB Type-C/3.0 yes
15. 3499$ or Less at launch. yes
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[benperrin]

So, I'm probably going to purchase a A7RII but I'm still looking forward to the 5D4. If canon still puts a decent product, I could be swayed to hold off my purchase of the A7RII for native mount lenses/flashes.

This is what I'd like to see.

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. I would say it will be around 28
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2. Yes.
3. ALL Crosstype AF. Think it would be mostly crosstype but certainly not all.
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix. Yes
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. Doubt it unfortunately.
6. Dual CF. Doubt it. Will be CF and SD.
7. 7 FPS. Yes
8. Dual Pixel AF. Yes.
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort. I think this must be included for the camera to sell well.
10. Touchscreen. Unlikely unfortunately
11. RAW 1080P if possible. Maybe
12. Built-in RT flash controller. Maybe
13. Peaking and Zebra. Unfortunately I doubt it.
14. USB Type-C/3.0. Yes
15. 3499$ or Less at launch. Yes.

This is my take. I'd love to see them add a swivel screen. I really hope that this is the camera that puts Canon bodies back in front.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I'm looking for better high ISO. The 5D MK III is already better than the A7R II, another stop would be great.

I'd also like the red AF points.

The 21 mp sensor is fine with me.

I would not buy it if it had cfast, that would be a huge mistake. cfast is for video cameras more than still cameras.

I could care less about fps, one shot does it for me.

I would like fast AF in liveview, perhaps as in dual pixel.

If I thought the A7R II was better, I'd get one, but the poor high ISO performance is the first issue.

I have touch screen on my G1X, its pretty much worthless.


The more I think about it, the more I think my MK III is still pretty good.

 

[Deleted member 91053]

Just a little more than the Mk3 already has + delete video functions.

 

[dak723]

The A7R II is irrelevant. I would not consider it as competition to the Canon 5D4 for me personally. Not impressed with the Sony color and tone curves. Those are far more important than the extra DR which was not noticeable in any of the pics I took with some other A7 models. I like the look of the Canon pics. All I want is that Canon does not mess with that look in future models.

 

[Zv]

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. Can't see this happening with the 5DSr already on the scene
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2. Yup more than likely if not better
3. ALL Crosstype AF Yup we all want this
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix. Sure
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. Hmmm recently X-sync has taken a dive so not sure
6. Dual CF unlikely but hope no CFast for our wallet's sake
7. 7 FPS seems likely there will be a bump in FPS. 7 or maybe 8 I'd say
8. Dual Pixel AF that is the big unknown, my heart says yes
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort. I don't know what S-log is but pretty sure Canon will not provide it or 4K
10. Touchscreen unlikely based on 7DII
11. RAW 1080P if possible ha!
12. Built-in RT flash controller could have, I think for event togs it makes a lotta sense
13. Peaking and Zebra maybe, I mean the M3 has peaking now
14. USB Type-C/3.0 for sure
15. 3499$ or Less at launch. Seems reasonable but I'd say 3799 more likely

 

[Eldar]

The more interesting question is in my view; After the 5DS/R, What does the 5D4/X need to have?

After all the initial praise for the A7RII, I believe I have seen enough issues reported to drop it for good. Whereas the 5DSR is impressing me every day.

For me to get a 5D4/X, it must give me a significant improvement in high ISO, interchangeable focusing screens (or something else to improve manual focus with fast lenses), small bump in resolution (24-28MP), improved AF and a few more. But I believe I will be more tempted towards the 1DX-II .... Time will show ...

 

[Boromir883]

So, I'm probably going to purchase a A7RII but I'm still looking forward to the 5D4. If canon still puts a decent product, I could be swayed to hold off my purchase of the A7RII for native mount lenses/flashes.

This is what I'd like to see.

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ. 24-28MP
2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2
3. ALL Crosstype AF
4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix.
5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump. ??? i shoot HSS outdoor and more and more in studio too
6. Dual CF
7. 7 FPS the more, the better - would like to have 8-10FPS
8. Dual Pixel AF
9. 4K Video with S-log of some sort. : i don`t use video
10. Touchscreen
11. RAW 1080P if possible. :
12. Built-in RT flash controller. ;D
13. Peaking and Zebra
14. USB Type-C/3.0 ;D
15. 3499$ or Less at launch.

 

[zim]

I expect the 5div to simply be a high ISO version of the 5ds, with a 24-28 sensor fine random noise no banding at high ISO and 7 fps. In all other matters the same as 5ds

 

[Zv]

I expect the 5div to simply be a high ISO version of the 5ds, with a 24-28 sensor fine random noise no banding at high ISO and 7 fps. In all other matters the same as 5ds

We all know this but still we dream wild dreams of DPAF and touchscreens! What you described is probably what they'll throw out and we'll go through the same motions we did last time!

On paper it will probably look crap but as usual it will be a workhorse for many a good photographer! Here's to one more megapixel and one more FPS. They might as well release it tomorrow!!

<pessimistic mode>

 

[asmundma]

I'm looking for better high ISO. The 5D MK III is already better than the A7R II, another stop would be great.

I'd also like the red AF points.

The 21 mp sensor is fine with me.

I would not buy it if it had cfast, that would be a huge mistake. cfast is for video cameras more than still cameras.

I could care less about fps, one shot does it for me.

I would like fast AF in liveview, perhaps as in dual pixel.

If I thought the A7R II was better, I'd get one, but the poor high ISO performance is the first issue.

I have touch screen on my G1X, its pretty much worthless.


The more I think about it, the more I think my MK III is still pretty good.

I have both 5D3 and A7R ii. Where did you learn that 5D3 is better in ISO, then A7R ii ?

 

[gggplaya]

All i want to see are:

1. IBIS, if pentax can do it, then so can canon.
2. 4k video
3. Better dynamic range, doesn't have to match the sony, but 13+ev would be nice.

That's really it.

 

[zim]

I expect the 5div to simply be a high ISO version of the 5ds, with a 24-28 sensor fine random noise no banding at high ISO and 7 fps. In all other matters the same as 5ds

We all know this but still we dream wild dreams of DPAF and touchscreens! What you described is probably what they'll throw out and we'll go through the same motions we did last time!

On paper it will probably look crap but as usual it will be a workhorse for many a good photographer! Here's to one more megapixel and one more FPS. They might as well release it tomorrow!!

<pessimistic mode>

I wasn't being pessimistic. If there was just one thing to improve on an already amazing camera for me it would be high ISO noise and banding. Canon have proven they can do this with the s and sr, tinker around the edges with bits and bobs but that's the core improvement for me to finally get back to FF

 

[Zv]

I expect the 5div to simply be a high ISO version of the 5ds, with a 24-28 sensor fine random noise no banding at high ISO and 7 fps. In all other matters the same as 5ds

We all know this but still we dream wild dreams of DPAF and touchscreens! What you described is probably what they'll throw out and we'll go through the same motions we did last time!

On paper it will probably look crap but as usual it will be a workhorse for many a good photographer! Here's to one more megapixel and one more FPS. They might as well release it tomorrow!!

<pessimistic mode>

I wasn't being pessimistic. If there was just one thing to improve on an already amazing camera for me it would be high ISO noise and banding. Canon have proven they can do this with the s and sr, tinker around the edges with bits and bobs but that's the core improvement for me to finally get back to FF

You mistook my humor - it was I who was in pessimistic mode! I'm feeling much better after some sleep! Bring on the Mark IV! Yay!

 

[Maiaibing]

So, I'm probably going to purchase a A7RII but I'm still looking forward to the 5D4. If canon still puts a decent product, I could be swayed to hold off my purchase of the A7RII for native mount lenses/flashes.

This is what I'd like to see.

1. 32mp or higher MP with improved IQ.
Yes.

2. AF & Metering improvements from the 7D2
No. 5DS/R is better. Canon is far behind with AF software such as eye focus etc. Also, bad joke if Canon - again - does not provide focus point directed light metering.

3. ALL Crosstype AF
Not happening. Not needed. Better five double cross type like 6D with better spread. Rest is icing on the cake.

4. Fixed Blinking AF point fix.
Done.

5. 1/250th Sync Speed bump.
Yes.

6. Dual CF
SD faster, better, cheaper now. Combo best solution.

7. 7 FPS
Yes.

8. Dual Pixel AF
? No 5DS/R better (+ see above).

10. Touchscreen
Yes.

13. Peaking and Zebra
Yes.

14. USB Type-C/3.0
Yes.

15. 3499$ or Less at launch.
LOL...! Not if Canon delivers the above.

We also need a launch this year.

 

[Maiaibing]

After all the initial praise for the A7RII, I believe I have seen enough issues reported to drop it for good. Whereas the 5DSR is impressing me every day.

A7RII still impresses me a lot. But sadly its not going to work for me either.

Agree the 5DS/R is looking better as we see the results it can achieve. 5DS is now under 2.950$. That's a lot more camera for the money than initially. Why anyone is still considering a 5DIII is beyond me.

 

[Random Orbits]

After all the initial praise for the A7RII, I believe I have seen enough issues reported to drop it for good. Whereas the 5DSR is impressing me every day.

A7RII still impresses me a lot. But sadly its not going to work for me either.

Agree the 5DS/R is looking better as we see the results it can achieve. 5DS is now under 2.950$. That's a lot more camera for the money than initially. Why anyone is still considering a 5DIII is beyond me.

$1000 difference is a big reason why.

 

[Maiaibing]

After all the initial praise for the A7RII, I believe I have seen enough issues reported to drop it for good. Whereas the 5DSR is impressing me every day.

A7RII still impresses me a lot. But sadly its not going to work for me either.

Agree the 5DS/R is looking better as we see the results it can achieve. 5DS is now under 2.950$. That's a lot more camera for the money than initially. Why anyone is still considering a 5DIII is beyond me.

$1000 difference is a big reason why.

No, because if money is an issue you would have to have some very, very specific needs not to get the 6D instead of the 5DIII.

 

[Random Orbits]

After all the initial praise for the A7RII, I believe I have seen enough issues reported to drop it for good. Whereas the 5DSR is impressing me every day.

A7RII still impresses me a lot. But sadly its not going to work for me either.

Agree the 5DS/R is looking better as we see the results it can achieve. 5DS is now under 2.950$. That's a lot more camera for the money than initially. Why anyone is still considering a 5DIII is beyond me.

$1000 difference is a big reason why.

No, because if money is an issue you would have to have some very, very specific needs not to get the 6D instead of the 5DIII.

... Like AF, dual cards, etc. Although I don't think that the large AF difference is a "specific" need. It was a big reason why I moved from the 5DII.