Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

[mathino]

I don't have a problem buying and selling lenses I do it all the time. And I guess I didn't know if the 5d2 was discontinued or not after the 5d3 came out, I never really paid attention to that. I just hope the new FF isn't gonna be less features or performance in some areas of the 5d2 and better in others. I guess time will tell.

My hopes are for latest (original post) specs for it. With design (and build) close to 7D, 7D AF and metring and remodelled 1D-X or 5D Mk III sensor - Im fully in. We have to wait a little longer. I guess that in 2-3 weeks we will know more

 

[Daniel Flather]

I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.

5D3 perhaps?

 

[M249]

I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.

5D3 perhaps?

My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

 

[mathino]

My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

Here in Slovakia 5D Mk II costs about 1919 € (some time ago one official Canon seller had it for 1787€). Mk IIIs are priced at 3099 € for body only. Ive heard that northern European countries have sick prices. I think 3099 € for Mk III is sick price (compared to US price), but I remember Mk II was priced similarly.

You have 3 options:

• buy 5D Mk II now
• wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II
• save money for 5D Mk III (price will go down in time)

All depends on how long you can wait

 

[Marine03]

I don't have a problem buying and selling lenses I do it all the time. And I guess I didn't know if the 5d2 was discontinued or not after the 5d3 came out, I never really paid attention to that. I just hope the new FF isn't gonna be less features or performance in some areas of the 5d2 and better in others. I guess time will tell.

My hopes are for latest (original post) specs for it. With design (and build) close to 7D, 7D AF and metring and remodelled 1D-X or 5D Mk III sensor - Im fully in. We have to wait a little longer. I guess that in 2-3 weeks we will know more

Weird thing is I'm really excited and look everyday for rumors because I want to upgrade so badly but currently only have a few hundred saved away. But once something is announced I can officially start saving money from weddings and lock my sights on a real object. I'm aiming for this time Next year to be able to afford a new body. Now I just also need a few grand worth of glass.

 

[mathino]

Weird thing is I'm really excited and look everyday for rumors because I want to upgrade so badly but currently only have a few hundred saved away. But once something is announced I can officially start saving money from weddings and lock my sights on a real object. I'm aiming for this time Next year to be able to afford a new body. Now I just also need a few grand worth of glass.

Same as me ;D Im checking rumors frequently to find out some info about this kind of body. With EOS M rumors and announcement all chatter about entry FF stopped. Im glad that only for a while.

Ive already saved for such body - I can wait and check all info, previews and everything. Ive started thinking about going to Cologne and visiting Canons booth at Photokina - could be a nice trip

 

[M249]

My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

Here in Slovakia 5D Mk II costs about 1919 € (some time ago one official Canon seller had it for 1787€). Mk IIIs are priced at 3099 € for body only. Ive heard that northern European countries have sick prices. I think 3099 € for Mk III is sick price (compared to US price), but I remember Mk II was priced similarly.

You have 3 options:

• buy 5D Mk II now
• wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II
• save money for 5D Mk III (price will go down in time)

All depends on how long you can wait

Yes, these options are exactly what I'm looking at.
I have waited for almost 4 years now (sep 2008). I skipped the 5D Mark II and kept my original 5D.

 

[samirachiko]

My wish specs:

-flash bult-in

-SWIVEL SCREEN (I don't understand some "stupid" words like "without a swivel screen is more solid......". OBVIOUSLY if you use your reflex like a toy is very easy to break it!... So who don't want a swivel screen can think at the same time that also with a flash built-in is less "solid".... A swivel green is FANTASTIC. You don't like it? Simple: don't use it!!

-CF card

-time lapse in camera

-continuos AF for video like the 650D

With these features I'll buy it immediately! ;D

 

[mathino]

-SWIVEL SCREEN (I don't understand some "stupid" words like "without a swivel screen is more solid......". OBVIOUSLY if you use your reflex like a toy is very easy to break it!... So who don't want a swivel screen can think at the same time that also with a flash built-in is less "solid".... A swivel green is FANTASTIC. You don't like it? Simple: don't use it!!

Well, according to original post design should be closer to 7D - so my personal assumption is no swivel screen. Reason why 7D has not swivel screen is weathersealing. I would rather have sealed body (to some degree) than swivel screen. Sure, for video and awkward angles swivel screen is useful

-flash bult-in

Built-in flash with possibility of controlling speedlights would be welcome feature

-CF card

Im OK with SDs. Ive got plenty of storage in them.

-continuos AF for video like the 650D

...and that would mean completly new sensor. I doubt that Canon would develop sensor especially for this camera - marked as entry FF. Unless Canon could somehow trick Mk IIIs sensor to do it.

After reading zour post/wishlist I think that maybe 60D successor will be aimed more towards you But we will see soon, I guess 8)

 

[mathino]

Yes, these options are exactly what I'm looking at.
I have waited for almost 4 years now (sep 2008). I skipped the 5D Mark II and kept my original 5D.

Well, Ive been looking at 7D and 5D Mk II. Each body has somethnig I want (AF - 7D and FF/high ISO - 5D Mk II). I can buy only one.

After 5D Mk III announcement I was excited to see all those new tweaks and improvements (AF, new AFMA, fps, ...). I even thought about getting 5Dc now and 5D Mk III after some time (when price drops and when I have saved enough). But as an enthusiast, not a pro, 5D Mk III would not earn for itself.

So, IF rumors are true, then this new FF could be ideal for me. I dont need high fps, but need reliable AF, good high ISO (at least something over 6400), better build and better metring then 450D (7D-like build would be nice).

 

[Marsu42]

• wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II

But be quick, because once the 5d2 is discontinued, the new ff is out and proves to be inferior, the last 5d2 models will be sold for hilarious prices like the 24-70 mk1 now. I'm sure they're not producing 5d2 bodies to stockpile right now, so supply is limited.

Reason why 7D has not swivel screen is weathersealing.

Source? The 7d was released before Canon had *any* bodies with swivel screen, so the reason might be completely different.

So, IF rumors are true, then this new FF could be ideal for me.

Which means the rumors probably aren't true ... Canon will make sure to engineer enough differences into the 6d to make the 5d3 still attractive, imho they aren't that desperate to cannibalize the 5d3 yet. And just some less af points (but plenty for normal shooting) and a few less fps won't do the trick, esp. if the 6d has more features like built-in flash and - yes - a swivel screen.

 

[Otter]

18mp would be cool cause its the 1dx sensor.

I would buy it.

I know that its probably too early for any assumptions but

• 1D-X - native ISO range: 100 - 51 200
• 5D Mk III - native ISO range: 100-25 600
• rumored new FF - native ISO range: 100-51 200

It makes sense to re-use 1D-X sensor in feature-crippled/slower/more consumer oriented body.

Even if it has a 1DX sensor, which I don't think it will, I highly doubt it would outperform the MKIII in any category. I can't imagine it having better ISO or dynamic range, at least if they want to sell MKIII's.

 

[Rocky]

Canon may make the entry level FF to be NO video cappability. Then it will really distinguish it from any other FF.

 

[hmmm]

5D mkII vs. This Spec List


The Spec List wins hand down over the 5DmkII on everything except that the sensors are more or less equivalent in RAW performance. (See the D4 -- D1X comparison story here at CR to see that the 18mp FF sensor is nice, but no DR champion in pulling up shadows cleanly. So whichever sensor it is, the same weakness exists.)

Other important specs are not included for the new guy: afma? Yes for MkII. CF card? Yes for MKII.

A big +1 to implementing an intervalometer / time lapse. Nikon has had it for a while... Come on already... Obviously not on the MkII ... probably not on the new guy either, alas. (But the D600? -- yes, included in rumored spec.)

I doubt the new camera will kit with the 24-105. A 28-135 mkII, perhaps? Advantage 5D MkII in that case.

With the D600 selling for 2k, maybe under $2k -- maybe $2k with the new 24-85 as a kit lens -- the "7DmkII" can't be too crazy on price. That competition thing. So I find the $2k for body only for the NewCam believable.

The mkII is selling now for 2069, 2699 with the 24-105. Bottom line is that a mkII closeout would have to be a bit cheaper yet, I think, to warrant snagging one over waiting for the camera that will embody the New Spec List. Unless you need a new camera now. Decisions, decisions, waiting, not waiting...

 

[Daniel Flather]

I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.

5D3 perhaps?

My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

I was not aware of your budget, and 3800 euros for a $3499 CAD camera is nuts.

 

[Marsu42]

Canon may make the entry level FF to be NO video cappability. Then it will really distinguish it from any other FF.

As long as this means that there is a weaker aa filter than on the 5d3 = sharper pictures: Go ahead, Canon! But realistically, I don't think they'd cut video completely since this is one of the areas Canon has the edge in - and a body with swivel screen but w/o video sounds a bit strange.

 

[steliosk]

swivel screen is a must!

can't do video without it
and its a tool for low angle shots


want some better sealing go buy 5D3 or 7D

 

[samirachiko]

swivel screen is a must!

can't do video without it
and its a tool for low angle shots


want some better sealing go buy 5D3 or 7D

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! ! ! !

 

[mathino]

swivel screen is a must!

can't do video without it
and its a tool for low angle shots


want some better sealing go buy 5D3 or 7D

...same one can say with swivel screen. If you want one - buy 60D (or wait for successor) or 650D You wont get sealing, magnesium alloy body...but will have swively thing.

Different people - different wishes/expectations IF rumors are true and this body will come for Photokina I think that Canon has already decided about how it will look and what specs it will have.

 

[RC]

swivel screen is a must!

can't do video without it
and its a tool for low angle shots


want some better sealing go buy 5D3 or 7D

...same one can say with swivel screen. If you want one - buy 60D (or wait for successor) or 650D You wont get sealing, magnesium alloy body...but will have swively thing.

Different people - different wishes/expectations IF rumors are true and this body will come for Photokina I think that Canon has already decided about how it will look and what specs it will have.

Yip NO "swively thingy" for me, it could be a deal breaker--I want mag alloy and weather sealing. I think it is pretty clear that Canon will not add a flip screen to metal WS bodies. Canon, these are still "still" cameras first, video is secondary. And don't turn it into a FF 60D (no offense 60D users) with plastic, swivel screen, and no AFMA? Unfortunately, I do think the new "entry" FF will be plastic, and with swivel screen, but not sure about no AFMA.