Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Known Specifications

[privatebydesign]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

Yup, if you're able to dump $6k on a new body, the price of these faster memory cards won't stop the purchase. Okay, so keeping a single slot as CF allows a bit of backward compatibility but dual CFast would be neat.

Not how that works. Giant media outfits who own/buy these cameras by the boatload are running CF now. If they have to purchase 100 new cards at $250 each for 128GB cfast2 .... Do the math. No, you dont shank your biggest bulk buying audience.

That's exactly how it works, if the buyers are getting cameras by the hundred then the cards are still a comparatively small expense, besides, your assumption is that these bulk buyers don't already own any CFast cards, which is unlikely considering the wide application of them already in video.

Don't forget all this bulk buying is done at huge discounts and is a 100% business write off.

It isn't shanking, it is progress.......

last time i checked a business writeoff only gets you back around 30% at the end of the year.

also the vast majority of the 1DX customers probably don't have CFAST.

also I suspect going by "what is in your kit" that the majority of pros have around 10-20 cards.

at $200 a pop that actually gets close to the cost of the camera.

The bulk buyers we were talking about will be getting finance houses to lease them the gear, lease payments are 100% deductable.

Those buyers (the ones I was specifically referring to) almost certainly have CFast cards too.

Don't go by number of cards people have, CF has been around so long everybody has loads, go by capacity.

Anyway you look at it cards are a running cost of cameras, and even the most expensive cost a fraction the amount film did! Progress is progress, whilst it might be frustrating for stills only shooters to be forced into video centric card formats the truth is all these 'standards' are pushed on us.

 

[rrcphoto]

The bulk buyers we were talking about will be getting finance houses to lease them the gear, lease payments are 100% deductable.

Those buyers (the ones I was specifically referring to) almost certainly have CFast cards too.

Don't go by number of cards people have, CF has been around so long everybody has loads, go by capacity.

Anyway you look at it cards are a running cost of cameras, and even the most expensive cost a fraction the amount film did! Progress is progress, whilst it might be frustrating for stills only shooters to be forced into video centric card formats the truth is all these 'standards' are pushed on us.

just because it's 100% deductible means you still only get back whatever your corporate tax bracket is.

is that really that difficult to follow?

and most pros I know have around 10-20 64GB cards, so yeah, I'm looking at capacity? 10-20 CFAST runs around 200 a pop. that's 2000-4000.

but nice going on moving the goalposts now bringing up film.

the point of the matter is .. for alot of people at the 1DX would be catering to, having compatibility with CF cards is certainly advantageous.

 

[K]

I wish it had wifi, the one thing I miss about my 70D after I upgraded to two 7D Mark II's. Don't want to spend another $800 for a wireless transmitter. Its nice to be able to shoot over one or two photos to your phone for social media purposes while shooting an event

You can get an eye fi card for like 30$ if all you want is to be able to grab some jpegs for social media. It doesn't replace the remote shooting, but for quick pics on your phone it's perfect

Edit: for the 7d2s obviously, not this new camera which won't have SD slots

You beat me to it!

But to add, they make a CF adapter for $20... That's a cheap wifi solution on the new 1DX2.

It works out then that Canon is keeping the older CF technology. I think it is a smart move.

Here's my thoughts on the whole card issues --


1. What is all this nonsense about speed? Yes, CFast is faster. Yes, there are benefits to it. However, the current 1DX is a total speed demon and runs on good old CF. At the absolute worst, the new camera cannot possibly be any slower than the current camera if for some reason the CF slot is holding it back, which I doubt. Yes, the larger files will be slower to offload, but larger buffer can offset this.

2. Just because someone can pay $6,000 or more for a new camera doesn't mean they automatically don't mind replacing perhaps dozens of CF cards to more expensive CFast cards. Also, don't assume the price of the 1DX2 automatically means easy affordability. A lot of pros will buy it, but it will be a very costly business upgrade that will be paid down over time.

3. Has CF reached its maximum speed potential yet? Every time someone claims it has, there they go and release an even faster CF card.

4. I think it is good to offer both - since if you actually do need the greater speed of the CFast card, you have it for those shooting situations. Otherwise, the CF cards are plenty fast to do 99% of everything else like was done on the 1DX. CFast is obviously there for the 4K or for the most extreme in buffer-clearing in all out machine gun mode. Even with a 1D camera, who shoots that way that often? This is basically hold down the shutter button kind of shooting.

5. The use of both at the same time doesn't mean the CF will slow down the CFast. Assuming one is pushing the limits of the camera to the point that emptying the buffer as quickly as possible can make use of the faster CFast - then yes it could slow things down. However, in a 2-card setup, one can shoot JPG to the CF card. This is a good backup strategy, and also provides quick access to images that are useable/shareable now, rather than later after post processing and conversion. Unless the photographer is an Exmorite who needs dual RAW backups cause most shots will be completely botched up....at which point they'd be running a high DR Nikon instead.

 

[gsealy]

4K 60p when their 3x more expensive cinema bodies only does 30p? I would be very surprised.

Yeah, I picked up on that too. But I heard from another source that it is true. I am thinking they just have to have a C300 II firmware update.

 

[tr573]

I wish it had wifi, the one thing I miss about my 70D after I upgraded to two 7D Mark II's. Don't want to spend another $800 for a wireless transmitter. Its nice to be able to shoot over one or two photos to your phone for social media purposes while shooting an event

You can get an eye fi card for like 30$ if all you want is to be able to grab some jpegs for social media. It doesn't replace the remote shooting, but for quick pics on your phone it's perfect

Edit: for the 7d2s obviously, not this new camera which won't have SD slots

You beat me to it!

But to add, they make a CF adapter for $20... That's a cheap wifi solution on the new 1DX2.

Recent Canon cameras have not had Type 2 (microdrive) CF slots, which is what the adapter requires. The 1dX slots were Type 2, but the 5d3, 5dS/R, and 7d2 are all type 1 only, so who knows what will be on the 1dX2

 

[gsealy]

4K 60p when their 3x more expensive cinema bodies only does 30p? I would be very surprised.

why? there's alot to those cini cameras than what the 1DX brings to bear.

+1

I agree. It's just that it's such a singular and prominent feature point. And in some reviews there has been complaining about it given the price of the C300 II.

 

[RGF]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

agree. decision by committee that could not agree

 

[RGF]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

Yup, if you're able to dump $6k on a new body, the price of these faster memory cards won't stop the purchase. Okay, so keeping a single slot as CF allows a bit of backward compatibility but dual CFast would be neat.

Not how that works. Giant media outfits who own/buy these cameras by the boatload are running CF now. If they have to purchase 100 new cards at $250 each for 128GB cfast2 .... Do the math. No, you dont shank your biggest bulk buying audience.

offer the camera in both version, CF only and CFast only. Or CF/Cfast and CFast.

Wonder how big the buffer will be? If I read the Nikon spec correct, it is 200+ shoots in Raw. Canon, if you offer that size buffer, then CF will be only.

 

[RGF]

Unfortunately April means end of April. May trip planned for mid-April. Had hoped to that this camera with me.

 

[Don Haines]

A comprehensive list of all the known features:

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2) - ?
3) - ?


It's all rumors.... Nothing is known until announced.......

 

[gsealy]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

agree. decision by committee that could not agree

I am thinking that they had to have a Cfast 2 to support internal recording of 4K 60p (and I heard, 10 bit). But then if you are stills shooter, then CompactFlash is fast enough. So they tried to satisfy both kinds of users. Who knows. Maybe after it comes out someone from Canon will be asked about the decision making progress.

 

[Gino]

As long as performance doesn't suffer, and the 1DX MkII has a big buffer for stills, I don't think having two different card slots is that big of a deal.

It would be nice if the 5D MKIV has the same two card slot types as the 1DX MKII for us customers who plan on purchasing both cameras!

At the end of the day, I think Nikon's decision to offer 2 different card slot model options for the D5 customers makes the most sense, and if Canon did the same thing for it's customers, I think it would make everyone happy.

 

[JMZawodny]

Video: 4K at 60fps (other video specifications unknown)

4K @ 60fps says a lot about the new sensor tech. Very power efficient and likely employs several ADC chains on chip. That and the claim of 15 stop DR hints that these new sensors will be a huge leap forward (for Canon at least). Eagerly anticipating leaks of the High ISO performance.

 

[Jack Douglas]

As long as performance doesn't suffer, and the 1DX MkII has a big buffer for stills, I don't think having two different card slots is that big of a deal.

It would be nice if the 5D MKIV has the same two card slot types as the 1DX MKII for us customers who plan on purchasing both cameras!

At the end of the day, I think Nikon's decision to offer 2 different card slot model options for the D5 customers makes the most sense, and if Canon did the same thing for it's customers, I think it would make everyone happy.

Surely there is a cost to offering an option on the card types and then differentiating all through its life span - parts/servicing etc. I'm inclined to go along with what K has added.

Don, if you look back at the 7D II threads the CR3 rumors close to the big day, were pretty accurate!

My modest disappointment will be the 22 MP but 18 -> 22 is close to 20%, not bad if we get the FPS.

Jack

 

[davidmurray]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

Yup, if you're able to dump $6k on a new body, the price of these faster memory cards won't stop the purchase. Okay, so keeping a single slot as CF allows a bit of backward compatibility but dual CFast would be neat.

Not how that works. Giant media outfits who own/buy these cameras by the boatload are running CF now. If they have to purchase 100 new cards at $250 each for 128GB cfast2 .... Do the math. No, you dont shank your biggest bulk buying audience.

That's exactly how it works, if the buyers are getting cameras by the hundred then the cards are still a comparatively small expense, besides, your assumption is that these bulk buyers don't already own any CFast cards, which is unlikely considering the wide application of them already in video.

Don't forget all this bulk buying is done at huge discounts and is a 100% business write off.

It isn't shanking, it is progress.......

last time i checked a business writeoff only gets you back around 30% at the end of the year.

also the vast majority of the 1DX customers probably don't have CFAST.

also I suspect going by "what is in your kit" that the majority of pros have around 10-20 cards.

at $200 a pop that actually gets close to the cost of the camera.

The bulk buyers we were talking about will be getting finance houses to lease them the gear, lease payments are 100% deductable.

Those buyers (the ones I was specifically referring to) almost certainly have CFast cards too.

Don't go by number of cards people have, CF has been around so long everybody has loads, go by capacity.

Anyway you look at it cards are a running cost of cameras, and even the most expensive cost a fraction the amount film did! Progress is progress, whilst it might be frustrating for stills only shooters to be forced into video centric card formats the truth is all these 'standards' are pushed on us.

When Apple released the first Mac it had no floppy disk drive. All the PCs up til then had floppy drives.
Floppy drive continued to be put into PCs for many years after that. Who uses them now? And did Mac users have any problems without them?

 

[nonac]

Media: 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash I think that's a big mistake from Canon.

Yup, if you're able to dump $6k on a new body, the price of these faster memory cards won't stop the purchase. Okay, so keeping a single slot as CF allows a bit of backward compatibility but dual CFast would be neat.

Not how that works. Giant media outfits who own/buy these cameras by the boatload are running CF now. If they have to purchase 100 new cards at $250 each for 128GB cfast2 .... Do the math. No, you dont shank your biggest bulk buying audience.

That's exactly how it works, if the buyers are getting cameras by the hundred then the cards are still a comparatively small expense, besides, your assumption is that these bulk buyers don't already own any CFast cards, which is unlikely considering the wide application of them already in video.

Don't forget all this bulk buying is done at huge discounts and is a 100% business write off.

It isn't shanking, it is progress.......

last time i checked a business writeoff only gets you back around 30% at the end of the year.

also the vast majority of the 1DX customers probably don't have CFAST.

also I suspect going by "what is in your kit" that the majority of pros have around 10-20 cards.

at $200 a pop that actually gets close to the cost of the camera.

The bulk buyers we were talking about will be getting finance houses to lease them the gear, lease payments are 100% deductable.

Those buyers (the ones I was specifically referring to) almost certainly have CFast cards too.

Don't go by number of cards people have, CF has been around so long everybody has loads, go by capacity.

Anyway you look at it cards are a running cost of cameras, and even the most expensive cost a fraction the amount film did! Progress is progress, whilst it might be frustrating for stills only shooters to be forced into video centric card formats the truth is all these 'standards' are pushed on us.

You need to take some accounting classes. Between the 100% write offs and the 100% deductibles, you make it sound like it's all free.

 

[douglaurent]

4K 60fps definitely confirmed in the 1DX2?
Can't remember to have read that anywhere before - which sources do claim that?

It would be too good to be true because this will top most of the 4K cameras out there AND because 60fps might be the eternal future proof standard. I don't believe this until the official announcement!

Combined with a monitor like the smallHD502 which gives flexible monitoring incl. focus peaking, this would mean that it is the first camera that can do any imaginable photo and video job on the highest level. It would be the first Canon camera release since 2008 that overexceeds my expectations. On the other hand this feature might be the only thing that makes me and many others buy the camera.

3,5 years after the 1DC was released such specs would be logical, and most of all it would by far trump the D5. Most of all the 1DX2 could be the very first camera i can imagine to use in the year 2030 (aside from missing mirrorless features). And this is why I doubt that 4K 60fps will come now, as Canon does not want us to buy the next camera in 2035 - they want us to upgrade every 2-4 years.

 

[pedro]

1DXII February announcement = new 5D announcement in March/April? Or August?

 

[tron]

As long as performance doesn't suffer, and the 1DX MkII has a big buffer for stills, I don't think having two different card slots is that big of a deal.

It would be nice if the 5D MKIV has the same two card slot types as the 1DX MKII for us customers who plan on purchasing both cameras!

At the end of the day, I think Nikon's decision to offer 2 different card slot model options for the D5 customers makes the most sense, and if Canon did the same thing for it's customers, I think it would make everyone happy.

Surely there is a cost to offering an option on the card types and then differentiating all through its life span - parts/servicing etc. I'm inclined to go along with what K has added.

Don, if you look back at the 7D II threads the CR3 rumors close to the big day, were pretty accurate!

My modest disappointment will be the 22 MP but 18 -> 22 is close to 20%, not bad if we get the FPS.

Jack

Jack you take very nice pictures of birds so I believe you will enjoy the 1DxII. May I ask if your disappointment for the 22Mp is that the pixel density will be lower than the pixel density of the 1D4 you were using?

 

[EduPortas]

Hybrid setup seems straightforward enough:

- CFast slot for 4K video capture a la XC10, which uses some pretty heavy codecs.
- CF slot for photos and 1080 video.

Both could be used to relay photographs or 1080 videos, but only one could be used for 4K capture.