Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Known Specifications

A couple of cmments/thoughts on the off-topic portion of this discussion.

Leasing vs. Buying: It seems to me this really depends on the individual situation. It comes down to which is better for your situation – to have a large up-front cost that you can then amortize over the next five years, or if you want to have the costs spread out over the next five years.

I can think of hypothetical situations for both.

You might want to buy the equipment outright if you have had a good year and are sitting on some cash and expect to have a similar or greater tax liability each of the following four years. You make the expense in year one, but receive the tax benefits in years two through five without any additional cash outlay.

You might want to lease the equipment if you have better uses for that initial cash outlay and you know your income is going to be consistently sufficient in each of the next four years to cover the lease payments.

Am I missing something here?

On the purchase of sizable stocks of memory cards and again I am only speculating. But, I could see a situation where a photojournalist who works under contract or freelances for a news organization might need a healthy supply of memory cards.

Just a hypothetical I know, but lets say you are getting 5-10 different assignments every month and the news organization you contract with has a policy that requires you to retain the original media used on assignment for a specified period of time. (That way, if any question ever comes up about the legitimacy of your shots, they can ask for your memory cards and verify that the images have not been altered or taken out of context).

You'd want to keep each assignment on its own cards and you'd need to stockpile a healthy supply of cards so you always have plenty for each new assignment until you can safely format and reuse the old cards.

Just speculating, but it does seem to be a possibility.
 
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wildbirdimages said:
In that case Nikon is over charging for D5

People will either buy it, or they won't. The product and its price will set the market demand. Not really over charging per se. Remember, Nikon is a $5.7 Billion company. Canon is a $37.7 Billion company (as of market close Friday 1/15/16). There are economies of scale here. Canon outsells Nikon heavily. Their fixed costs of production can be amortized out among far more product than Nikon. Let's say each company spends $100 in R&D on their new flagship. 1DX2 and D5. Historically Canon has vastly outsold Nikon in this department. Both companies need to recoup that cost through sales PLUS the variable costs of each unit's production. Canon, let's say, expects to sell 1000 units. Nikon expects to sell 300 units. So they are going to charge the lowest price they feel they can to turn a profit over time based on expected sales.
 
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Canon Rumors said:
Below is what we think are some of the confirmed specifications for the upcoming Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.</p>
<p>Specifications:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Resolution:</em> 22mp</li>
<li><em>Media:</em> 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash</li>
<li><em>LCD:</em> Some touchscreen functionality</li>
<li><em>Video:</em> 4K at 60fps (other video specifications unknown)</li>
<li><em>Feature:</em> GPS</li>
<li><em>Feature:</em> Intervalometer</li>
<li><em>Price:</em> $5999 USD (could fluctuate slightly)</li>
<li><em>Announcement:</em> First week of February 2016</li>
<li><em>Shipping:</em> April 2016</li>
</ul>
<p>Unconfirmed Specifications:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Feature:</em> 4K RAW video mode for frame capture for stills.</li>
</ul>
<p>We have no solid confirmation of stills frame rate, processor type, battery type or LCD screen size. We do know that the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II will not feature built-in wifi.</p>
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An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.
 
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GoldWing said:
Canon Rumors said:
Below is what we think are some of the confirmed specifications for the upcoming Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.</p>
<p>Specifications:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Resolution:</em> 22mp</li>
<li><em>Media:</em> 1 CFast / 1 CompactFlash</li>
<li><em>LCD:</em> Some touchscreen functionality</li>
<li><em>Video:</em> 4K at 60fps (other video specifications unknown)</li>
<li><em>Feature:</em> GPS</li>
<li><em>Feature:</em> Intervalometer</li>
<li><em>Price:</em> $5999 USD (could fluctuate slightly)</li>
<li><em>Announcement:</em> First week of February 2016</li>
<li><em>Shipping:</em> April 2016</li>
</ul>
<p>Unconfirmed Specifications:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Feature:</em> 4K RAW video mode for frame capture for stills.</li>
</ul>
<p>We have no solid confirmation of stills frame rate, processor type, battery type or LCD screen size. We do know that the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II will not feature built-in wifi.</p>
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An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

Yep. Pretty much why I'm not upgrading. I'll keep my 1Dx's and wait until 2020 I guess.
 
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Canon_Shooter said:
Im afraid of CANADIAN PRICE ,my last 1DX under CPS was 5950 + TAX this new one might be 8500 in CANADA.

Probably not quite that bad since the Yen is weaker compared to the $US but we will be hit. Previously we were better than the US after conversion. No fear, we have Justin who is going to stimulate the economy with lots of spending. His budget might even come before the 1DX II;)

Jack
 
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GoldWing said:
An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

The touchscreen could be built to similar if not same strength as non-touch. I don't think that will be an issue. Plus I'm sure Canon will have a menu switch to turn touch functions on/off, so you can set it to what works best for you. The question of card slots has obviously been of hot debate here. Dual CF slots would be nice and probably preferred by most current users IF they are still adequate to meet the demands of this camera. However, IF Canon implements a healthy 4k codec OR really does something special with this 4K RAW capture, that may necessitate the use of CFast. We just don't have enough information yet unfortunately. Either way, I'd expect Canon to offer some sort of conversion program for the card slots
 
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CAD to Yen right now is 1 : 80.65. So yes, if you used the same Yen sales figure based on USD, that would be $8500 CAD. Doesn't mean Canon will keep it there, but just baseline numbers here, that's where it is in Canada assuming rumors are true.

Jack Douglas said:
Canon_Shooter said:
Im afraid of CANADIAN PRICE ,my last 1DX under CPS was 5950 + TAX this new one might be 8500 in CANADA.

Probably not quite that bad since the Yen is weaker compared to the $US but we will be hit. Previously we were better than the US after conversion. No fear, we have Justin who is going to stimulate the economy with lots of spending. His budget might even come before the 1DX II;)

Jack
 
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I'll likely be moving up to the 1DX Mark II from my personal 5D mark III this year, and I don't really think I'll have a problem with CFast. With my 5D3 I've had to deal with two separate slots, and the SD is topped out at around 20 mb/s if I recall. Needless to say, having a 160 mb/s CF card be the slowest of the two is going to be the least of my concerns.

That said, will I enjoy spending $200 a card? Nope. Will it be worth it? I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I sure hope those prices come down. Or that Canon at least includes one with the 1DX Mark II, like they did with the XC-10.
 
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PureClassA said:
GoldWing said:
An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

The touchscreen could be built to similar if not same strength as non-touch. I don't think that will be an issue. Plus I'm sure Canon will have a menu switch to turn touch functions on/off, so you can set it to what works best for you. The question of card slots has obviously been of hot debate here. Dual CF slots would be nice and probably preferred by most current users IF they are still adequate to meet the demands of this camera. However, IF Canon implements a healthy 4k codec OR really does something special with this 4K RAW capture, that may necessitate the use of CFast. We just don't have enough information yet unfortunately. Either way, I'd expect Canon to offer some sort of conversion program for the card slots

I am thinking that they wanted to include a touch screen for focusing in video mode. You touch the screen and that is where the focus goes. The other question is whether it articulates or not. I can hear more squawking already if that is the case. LOL.
 
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GoldWing said:
An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

I agree completely, although I am not 100% averse to the touchscreen as long as it can be totally disabled. It may be useful in the office - although I don't really see how, but I doubt I would ever use it in the field.

Also. With so much talk about card slots. Does anyone wonder why Canon does not also put in any internal memory? The Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal SSD is small, fast and reasonably priced at just over US$32X. It would be nice to have dual slots plus internal memory so you can shoot to what you like. What do you think?
 
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JMZawodny said:
So, do we think the price will hold firm until after the Olympics? When will it drop and by how much?

Those drops have most frequently come with exchange rate shifts. In 2011 when the 1DX came out, it was 80:1 Yen to USD. In 2013-2014 it had jumped to 100:1. In 2015 it jumped again to 120:1. That more than any factor has likely accounted for overseas Canon price drops. It's also why this new camera is being released $800 cheaper (so rumored) as the 1DX from 4-5 years ago. That currency disparity is already baked in to this price. I don't see Canon doing any sort of major price drop anytime in the forseeable future unless the Yen falls further against the dollar in another 20%+ measure. Maybe you get some rebate programs and small drops, but don't expect $500-$1000 off the MSRP
 
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expatinasia said:
I agree completely, although I am not 100% averse to the touchscreen as long as it can be totally disabled. It may be useful in the office - although I don't really see how, but I doubt I would ever use it in the field.

Also. With so much talk about card slots. Does anyone wonder why Canon does not also put in any internal memory? The Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal SSD is small, fast and reasonably priced at just over US$32X. It would be nice to have dual slots plus internal memory so you can shoot to what you like. What do you think?

At 512 GB it could also serve as a last-resort backup that you could set to automatically overwrite when it's full. You could shoot 4 whole 128-gig cards to the backup before it would start overwriting, so if you accidentally lose/delete a photo/someone confiscates your cards or anything like that, you could know you'd always have the last four cards saved on your camera. That would be super super nice, though I'm not sure how practical that would be.
 
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expatinasia said:
GoldWing said:
An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

I agree completely, although I am not 100% averse to the touchscreen as long as it can be totally disabled. It may be useful in the office - although I don't really see how, but I doubt I would ever use it in the field.

Yup, agreed.

Also. With so much talk about card slots. Does anyone wonder why Canon does not also put in any internal memory? The Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal SSD is small, fast and reasonably priced at just over US$32X. It would be nice to have dual slots plus internal memory so you can shoot to what you like. What do you think?

In theory that might be option. However, for one it's rather sizeable. It looks small inside PC, but for camera it takes quite lot of space. Also it's been told to get quite hot under operation, so that might be another problem.

But if you skip those, it'd be awesome option for 99% of people. Even 256GB would be plenty enough for 99%, and the speed is amazing so you'd never hit buffer.
 
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tpatana said:
expatinasia said:
Also. With so much talk about card slots. Does anyone wonder why Canon does not also put in any internal memory? The Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal SSD is small, fast and reasonably priced at just over US$32X. It would be nice to have dual slots plus internal memory so you can shoot to what you like. What do you think?

In theory that might be option. However, for one it's rather sizeable. It looks small inside PC, but for camera it takes quite lot of space. Also it's been told to get quite hot under operation, so that might be another problem.

But if you skip those, it'd be awesome option for 99% of people. Even 256GB would be plenty enough for 99%, and the speed is amazing so you'd never hit buffer.

Exactly my idea.
 
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Different specs to obsess over:

How about USB 3.0 or better yet in terms of speed but worse in compatibility USB-C? This would be a kick ass way to transfer photo cards. Any reason that a USB stick could not be used for image capture directly, if supported by canon? Better USB 3.0 sticks are quite fast approaching 200MB/s writes like the sands extreme at 220MB/s.

Will it retain the ethernet port?

And how about wireless flash/ remote slave master control (both for flash and for remote triggering although I suppose that could be done through the flash)?

I still believe that WIFI is possible to build into the body if canon was motivated enough, especially as somewhere in the grip there could be room for an antena.

And BTW cfast and CF are not pin or electrically compatible, so no joy there for those hoping to have both in either slot. Though there are cards that convert just about anything they are made for HD cases or computers not cameras.
 
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ecka said:
Alastair Norcross said:
ecka said:
Yes, please, dual CF or dual CFast or nothing.
;)
Are you really saying that you would prefer a 1DX II with no card slots at all to one with mixed slots? :)

You know, CF, CFast, UHS1,2,3, XQD ... it is all old tech and it's already limiting your camera potential. I would prefer a built-in memory storage, next gen SSD, NVME, NGFF, 3dXpoint, whatever works best.

YES! I've wondered why nobody puts a SSD in these things.
 
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applecider said:
I still believe that WIFI is possible to build into the body if canon was motivated enough, especially as somewhere in the grip there could be room for an antena.

I would prefer Bluetooth and NFC like on Nikon's new cameras (SnapBridge Technology) as that does not consume as much battery power and does not require logging in each time etc. In fact it sounds terrific, and I look forward to reviews on that.

Unfortunately, I do not see Canon doing this when they are selling their WiFi units for US$ 699 a piece.
 
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expatinasia said:
GoldWing said:
An LCD screen with touch??? I'm a sports photographer.... PLEASE STOP placing functions on a PRO camera for people who use their equipment like a hammer that can go wrong!! I don't want press functions on my LCD. I need it to be hard as STEEL. That's it!!! What is canon thinking?

Two type of CF cards???? Now I have to carry around two types... "Just in case" - This is not smart. Pick one or the other. And what happens when I need one Card for me and another for a client??? I have to shoot with two different cards and change my workflow in inventory??? What the HECK is Canon thinking???

The new 1DX should be a tool... not a toy!!!

A lot of us shoot in very extreme conditions that why we use a 1DX.

I agree completely, although I am not 100% averse to the touchscreen as long as it can be totally disabled. It may be useful in the office - although I don't really see how, but I doubt I would ever use it in the field.

Also. With so much talk about card slots. Does anyone wonder why Canon does not also put in any internal memory? The Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal SSD is small, fast and reasonably priced at just over US$32X. It would be nice to have dual slots plus internal memory so you can shoot to what you like. What do you think?

except some small details:
a) it's not that small in relation to the spare room internally to the camera.
b) it will wear out over time.
c) m.2 SSD's run very hot.
 
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