Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]

[ERHP]

One thing I really wish would be included is a silent mode like the 5D MK III has. Every now and then it would be nice not to advertise my position at the cost of some FPS.

The only direction the other specs can really go is more and faster.

LOL

...take it with the appropriate amount of salt.

About this much, I think...

 

[sanj]

I can live with 20mp. This will help all these things which are important to me: Fps and Low Light

 

[douglaurent]

60fps in 4K is the ONLY reason why i would buy this camera; why i would replace my 1DC; why a Sony A7R2 or GH4 user would return to Canon; or why a C300II user will buy this as B-cam.

4K 60fps might be the future eternal video standard, and no small cam can do that today. These specs absolutely make sense.

If they stay with 4K 24/25fps, what's the improvement since 2012 and who from the video world would need it???

In the photo world i don't see too many guys who need even more fps. Pros who might have used a 1DX more likely will switch to a 5Ds or keep their old camera.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

A pro is not going to use two different cards in a pro-level camera. This spec says a CFast and a CF. Baloney.

Think: the CF would cripple the CFast speeds if you are writing to dual cards at the same time at the max frame rate. Shooting at 16fps, you're going to slam the buffer with the CF in a dual card write setup that most pros use. It totally defeats the purpose.

For the 5D series I can understand the CF + SD as its a trade off in some ways, but for the 1D Canon is not going to mix a very fast card with a slower one and kill off the security of the dual write at max shooting speed to save a few $$. Not doing a dual CFast setup would be stupid.

With my 1Dx and high speed CF dual cards, I slam the buffer at about 70-75 frames at 12 fps, or about 5-6 secs of action. At 16 fps and these CF's that would happen at about 3 seconds. No...Canon would go with dual CFast in a camera body that will likely retail at about $7200-$7500.

 

[davidcl0nel]

61 AF points and all cross type at f/8? Now that's some sexy AF!

And I don't believe it. The outer AF points just don't get enough light with f/8.
Maybe 61 AF points, and one is f/8 possible (as before) is meant...

 

[FEBS]

In the photo world i don't see too many guys who need even more fps. Pros who might have used a 1DX more likely will switch to a 5Ds or keep their old camera.

???

Why would I change a 1Dx for a 5Ds? The 5Ds is just something totally different, more a studio camera while the 1Dx is an action (sport, wildlife) camera.

61 points AF, all cross-type and f8, 20mp, 16fps, and silent shutter: that would be such a nice upgrade compared to the 1Dx.

 

[siegsAR]

I found it unsettling that you guys don't have enough faith in Canon nowadays! Its not only Sony that can pull off this and that by the way. After all this is the 1DX 2 we're talking about here. :

 

[DanThePhotoMan]

I will not only bet my life, but I will pay the mortgages of every person in this forum if this camera has 4k60p and 240fps HD. Absolutely not gonna happen. They didn't include either of those features in their $16,000 cinema camera, it will not be in a dslr. That's not how Canon works. Maybe if the 1dx comes out with a 20k price tag. Maybe. But that's it.

 

[ahsanford]

Not buying this rumor.

1) Studio 1Ds guys might have liked a touchscreen, but since the 1DX came out, the 1D line has basically become an outdoor tool -- sports, action, wildlife. People use this thing in the freezing cold, in the rain, etc. Those folks don't want a touch screen. Even if they can turn off the touchscreen, who is screaming for it at this price point?

2) 61 pt AF that's f/8 across the board should delight birders using teleconverters and infuriate most everyone else. 61 pts would imply that we'd have the same spread in the VF that we've had for years on the 1DX, 5D3, 5DS, etc. Surely we'll see more in the next 1D camera. Folks want more AF spread and more points overall more than they want to be able to T/C off-center, I think.

3) Native GPS and Wifi when they can charge us more for it as an add-on? And doesn't it lessen/weaken the weathersealing to offer this?

- A

 

[rs]

4K at 60fps maybe too much for the storage and processors to handle. I dont think thats possible today but 2-3 years down the line it will be possible.

4K at 30fps was in the 1D C, announced back in April 2012. Doubling a single metric in that time frame isn't too far fetched, especially coupled with a faster storage slot in the shape of CFast.

 

[raptor3x]

2) 61 pt AF that's f/8 across the board should delight birders using teleconverters and infuriate most everyone else. 61 pts would imply that we'd have the same spread in the VF that we've had for years on the 1DX, 5D3, 5DS, etc. Surely we'll see more in the next 1D camera. Folks want more AF spread and more points overall more than they want to be able to T/C off-center, I think.

I don't think you're going to get much larger of a spread in a DSLR without a fairly radical redesign of the sub-mirror assembly.

 

[Don Haines]

3) Native GPS and Wifi when they can charge us more for it as an add-on? And doesn't it lessen/weaken the weathersealing to offer this?

- A

But the 7D2 has GPS and is supposed to be the best sealed Canon yet.....

 

[Don Haines]

A pro is not going to use two different cards in a pro-level camera. This spec says a CFast and a CF. Baloney.
...
For the 5D series I can understand the CF + SD as its a trade off in some ways, but for the 1D Canon is not going to mix a very fast card with a slower one and kill off the security of the dual write at max shooting speed to save a few $$. Not doing a dual CFast setup would be stupid.
...

Are you saying that the 5D series isn't a pro-level camera? Many would disagree with you..

CFast = raw, CF = jpeg.

But this isn't why CFast and CF are both in the same camera. The same as having SD+CF allows people that have come from an SD camera to keep using those cards.

It's part of the upgrade path.

It lets you keep using your existing cards but at the same time, allows you to buy newer, faster, storage cards to use in the camera.

The motivation to buy those faster storage cards will either be higher FPS only available when writing to them or higher video rate only available when using them.

The 7D2 also has SD and Compact Flash.

The speed differences are not much of a problem... recording RAW and Jpg on both cards at the same time and you still have problems filling the buffer.

SD gives a lot of compatibility advantages, particularly if you want to slip your SD card into a laptop, a printer, or a television...

 

[rs]

2) 61 pt AF that's f/8 across the board should delight birders using teleconverters and infuriate most everyone else. 61 pts would imply that we'd have the same spread in the VF that we've had for years on the 1DX, 5D3, 5DS, etc. Surely we'll see more in the next 1D camera. Folks want more AF spread and more points overall more than they want to be able to T/C off-center, I think.

I don't think you're going to get much larger of a spread in a DSLR without a fairly radical redesign of the sub-mirror assembly.

The 7D2 manages a much wider spread across its frame. Yes, it is a smaller frame, but thats with a smaller mirror and fully compatible with lenses featuring a smaller imaging circle, so it mounts to the same thing.

 

[ahsanford]

2) 61 pt AF that's f/8 across the board should delight birders using teleconverters and infuriate most everyone else. 61 pts would imply that we'd have the same spread in the VF that we've had for years on the 1DX, 5D3, 5DS, etc. Surely we'll see more in the next 1D camera. Folks want more AF spread and more points overall more than they want to be able to T/C off-center, I think.

I don't think you're going to get much larger of a spread in a DSLR without a fairly radical redesign of the sub-mirror assembly.

I must admit that I'm ever-so-slightly jealous of the coverage of that A7R II:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1652088044/sony-an-eye-on-focus

This isn't a grass is greener on the other side comment. I fully recognize the differences in the AF technology, as well as how much more responsive, consistent and reliable the SLR AF systems are. I also fully recognize that comparing the A7 line to the 1D line is absurd for a host of reasons. And yes, the A7R II did not hit the AF out of the park -- there were a host of shortcomings to it.

But, just forgetting the technical burden it might represent, wouldn't you want that kind of A7R II AF coverage in an SLR? Eventually, Canon needs to move away from 'but it will take a radical redesign' and more towards 'Never mind how hard it was -- we did it.'

Keep in mind: I am not a mirrorless proponent. I am not someone threatening to leave if Canon doesn't stoke my pride with best-in-class new hotness. I just want a better camera to look forward to someday, and broader VF coverage with AF points would be a big step in the right direction. Canon should push itself to figure out how to do that.

- A

 

[sublime LightWorks]

A pro is not going to use two different cards in a pro-level camera. This spec says a CFast and a CF. Baloney.
...
For the 5D series I can understand the CF + SD as its a trade off in some ways, but for the 1D Canon is not going to mix a very fast card with a slower one and kill off the security of the dual write at max shooting speed to save a few $$. Not doing a dual CFast setup would be stupid.
...

Are you saying that the 5D series isn't a pro-level camera? Many would disagree with you..

CFast = raw, CF = jpeg.

But this isn't why CFast and CF are both in the same camera. The same as having SD+CF allows people that have come from an SD camera to keep using those cards.

It's part of the upgrade path.

It lets you keep using your existing cards but at the same time, allows you to buy newer, faster, storage cards to use in the camera.

The motivation to buy those faster storage cards will either be higher FPS only available when writing to them or higher video rate only available when using them.

Not saying a 5D is not a pro camera, but it is a camera may will "step up" to when going more pro. so I can understand the SD being there.

I have owned at 5D2, 5D3, and now own a 5DS....but I also own a 1Dx and will tell you that I would NOT be pleased if I had to mix cards in that camera. I only shoot RAW, not JPEG. And when I am shooting with my 1Dx, its a paying job and I use the dual write feature to insure I still have the image if one card decides to go to card heaven on me. Using a CFast + a CF means I cannot maximize the FPS/buffer performance and use dual write. I'd have to use only the CFast alone to do that and that ain't happening in my world.

I get paid for my shots and not having them isn't an option. Having to trade performance for data security is not an option I'll choose. I don't have to do that now on the 1DX, so why would I want to do that in the future.

Basically (if the specs are true and I doubt they are) Canon is saying if you want to shoot at max FPS and buffer performance, you can only shoot with one card, the CFast. Thats not how the 1Dx works today.

 

[RGF]

Not buying this rumor.

1) Studio 1Ds guys might have liked a touchscreen, but since the 1DX came out, the 1D line has basically become an outdoor tool -- sports, action, wildlife. People use this thing in the freezing cold, in the rain, etc. Those folks don't want a touch screen. Even if they can turn off the touchscreen, who is screaming for it at this price point?

2) 61 pt AF that's f/8 across the board should delight birders using teleconverters and infuriate most everyone else. 61 pts would imply that we'd have the same spread in the VF that we've had for years on the 1DX, 5D3, 5DS, etc. Surely we'll see more in the next 1D camera. Folks want more AF spread and more points overall more than they want to be able to T/C off-center, I think.

3) Native GPS and Wifi when they can charge us more for it as an add-on? And doesn't it lessen/weaken the weathersealing to offer this?

- A

+1

1. Agree. no touch screen. Like to eye control back but that won't happen either.

2. Think Canon will rethink the spread and increase number of focus points. All working at F8 would be great but wonder if there isn't some sort of technical limitation here. Perhaps a few F8.

3. Could do it, perhaps under they coating but outside metal body??

well my $0.02

 

[rs]

I feel like no matter what the rumors will be Canon will just continue to put out slow incremental updates with the next new batch of bodies they release, whenever they feel like getting to it. Doesn't matter what Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, etc are doing but Canon takes their sweet time to play catch up.

OK, name one camera which out performs the 1D X for the market it is designed for?

Out of every other camera manufacturer, only one has a viable alternative. Panasonic, Samsung and Sony aren't even on the same page. Nikon have a very good, solid competitor in the shape of the D4S. However, the 2014 D4S is subtly outgunned by the 2012 1D X in pretty much every metric which matters for this category of camera - AF system, frame rate, resolution, viewfinder size etc.

I fail to see how anyone can realistically say Canon are trying to play catch up with their 1D X replacement.

 

[tomscott]

I dont understand the general opinion of a touch screen being a bad thing? Anything that helps you do things quicker surely is a gain? The 70D has shown how useful it is using video and 4K with dual pixel AF would be incredible. Its not like it will be a detriment to the camera and make it any less rouged! Its just another layer built into the LCD... Some of the purist views on here are asinine at times.

I could understand if people were complaining about a tilt screen.

 

[ahsanford]

I feel like no matter what the rumors will be Canon will just continue to put out slow incremental updates with the next new batch of bodies they release, whenever they feel like getting to it. Doesn't matter what Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, etc are doing but Canon takes their sweet time to play catch up.

OK, name one camera which out performs the 1D X for the market it is designed for?

Out of every other camera manufacturer, only one has a viable alternative. Panasonic, Samsung and Sony aren't even on the same page. Nikon have a very good, solid competitor in the shape of the D4S. However, the 2014 D4S is subtly outgunned by the 2012 1D X in pretty much every metric which matters for this category of camera - AF system, frame rate, resolution, viewfinder size etc.

I fail to see how anyone can realistically say Canon are trying to play catch up with their 1D X replacement.

Agree -- this market segment is a two horse race between the 1DX/1DX II and the D4s/D5. They are the only machines built for war + high FPS with AF tracking + the most demanding AF needs. This is not in question.

However, it's also true that other companies are innovating in areas other than the bread and butter specs the define the 1DX II. So, no, a GH4, D810, A7R II, etc. are not competition for the 1DX II, but they have some features or element of performance that the 1DX II user might want to have:

• Broader AF coverage in the viewfinder
• Larger viewfinder magnification
• Sensor: Better low light performance
• Sensor: More DR at lower ISO*
• Crop mode
• More comprehensive video options

* We can argue until we're blue in the face whether this is really needed for a camera that rarely sits in ISO 100 for some applications, but it's an argument that can be made.

All that said, as much as those who want to see innovation across the board on the 1DX, the bottom line is that we may just get a 24 MP version of the 1DX and that will be that. The reason? This is Canon's strongest market segment -- tons of stellar long glass, a great track record service/reliability-wise, and only one major competitor. Canon may just need a basic refresh here to maintain its market-share.

- A