Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Spec List Surfaces [CR1]

[unfocused]

Fully recognizing that this rumor likely has no more validity than anything anyone on this forum might write, let's break it down.

20mp CMOS
61pt AF (all crosstype & f/8)
16fps with AF/20fps in liveview
4K 60P
FullHD to 240fps
CFast + CF
Touchscreen LCD (can be turned off)
More customization options for the menus and buttons
GPS & WiFi

20mp seems to be lifted from the Nikon rumors. Possible, but also likely that Canon will continue its tradition of coming in 2-4 mp higher than Nikon's flagship.

61pt Autofocus seems a bit low. A wider spread seems very likely, but probably with more points. Multiple f/8 points would be very welcome, although it's probably not as important in the flagship as it might be in the 5D or 7D line. However, they may want to include it in the 1D so buyers don't feel slighted when they put it into the 5D.

16fps through viewfinder/20 fps in live view. This is one of those specs that screams "B.S.!" What possible use would 20 fps be in live view? Good luck shooting sports or tracking birds in live view.

4K 60P. Already a given. Lifted from the Nikon specs. Anyone could predict this.

Full HD to 240 fps. Possible.

CFast and CF. I doubt it. The 1dx is and will remain primarily a camera for shooting stills. The flagship cameras are always the most conservative cameras, because neither Nikon nor Canon can afford to take risks with this user base, which puts a high premium on reliability and consistency. CFast just isn't in wide enough use right now. No one knows if it will truly be the storage medium standard in the future. Canon won't put it into the 1Dx until they are confident it's going to become the standard.

Touchscreen. LCD can be turned off. This is another specification that screams "bull." Whoever wrote this clearly has never used a touchscreen. The touchscreen is only active when using the menus or using live view. To write that it can be "turned off" just shows ignorance of the technology. It plays into the myth that users will accidentally change settings my touching the screen during shooting -- something that is next to impossible.

More customization options. Well duh!

GPS and WiFi. Only if Canon has finally woken up to the 21st century. I'd like to see touchscreen, GPS and WiFi in all DSLRs, but all the camera manufacturers have been embarrassingly slow in incorporating connectivity and modern interfaces into their cameras. It would be great news if Canon finally does so, but I have no opinion on whether or not they actually will.

 

[ahsanford]

Multiple f/8 points would be very welcome, although it's probably not as important in the flagship as it might be in the 5D or 7D line. However, they may want to include it in the 1D so buyers don't feel slighted when they put it into the 5D.

Keep in mind that 1DX users might be shooting with something other than $10k+ lenses, or they might want to drop a 2X on their 600 primes. So I could see 1DX + teleconverter users rejoicing at f/8 expansion to other parts of the frame.

- A

 

[unfocused]

Multiple f/8 points would be very welcome, although it's probably not as important in the flagship as it might be in the 5D or 7D line. However, they may want to include it in the 1D so buyers don't feel slighted when they put it into the 5D.

Keep in mind that 1DX users might be shooting with something other than $10k+ lenses, or they might want to drop a 2X on their 600 primes. So I could see 1DX + teleconverter users rejoicing at f/8 expansion to other parts of the frame.

- A

Makes sense.

I'm always a little uncertain about what target audience Canon has in mind for the 1Dx. It was once almost exclusively top-tier photojournalists and sports shooters who needed tank-like construction and reliability and who relied on their employers to supply much of the equipment.

With worldwide cutbacks in journalism, there are simply fewer of these folks around and those that are around may not have access to the equipment budgets that once existed. Canon and Nikon have been picking up more and more recreational shooters to offset this loss.

The question becomes: are these new customers more or less price-sensitive than the professional base?

On this forum (which is probably not typical) there are a number of enthusiasts who have the resources to buy a 1Dx and almost any lens they choose. I was just guessing that 5D and 7D users are more price sensitive and more likely to need f8 focusing, but I have no data one way or the other, so you are probably correct.

 

[PureClassA]

I know. CR1. But it's still hilarious. I don't think I believe a single spec in that list. Maybe just the FPS (sort of) and the GPS WiFi.

 

[Don Haines]

I know. CR1. But it's still hilarious. I don't think I believe a single spec in that list. Maybe just the FPS (sort of) and the GPS WiFi.

I believe GPS......
I believe WiFi..... maybe....
I believe touchscreen..... perhaps.....

but the new addition that I really believe will be there (and not mentioned in the specs) is anti-flicker...

And yes, it is CR1.... in general about as solid of a promise as from a politician seeking election.....

 

[ahsanford]

I know. CR1. But it's still hilarious. I don't think I believe a single spec in that list. Maybe just the FPS (sort of) and the GPS WiFi.

I believe GPS......
I believe WiFi..... maybe....
I believe touchscreen..... perhaps.....

but the new addition that I really believe will be there (and not mentioned in the specs) is anti-flicker...

And yes, it is CR1.... in general about as solid of a promise as from a politician seeking election.....

Don, good call on anti-flicker. I'd say that's a shoe-in to be included, given that many sports are played indoors and this is absolutely a sports rig.

- A

 

[unfocused]

Not buying this rumor.

1) Studio 1Ds guys might have liked a touchscreen, but since the 1DX came out, the 1D line has basically become an outdoor tool -- sports, action, wildlife. People use this thing in the freezing cold, in the rain, etc. Those folks don't want a touch screen. Even if they can turn off the touchscreen, who is screaming for it at this price point?
...

But if you're a younger generation photographer, you're pretty much going to expect that the glass on the back of the camera will be a touch screen interface. People already use iPhones, etc, in the freezing cold and rain. What's the big deal? If you're an old fart and don't like touch screen then you can turn it off.

God, I hate it when Dilbert is right.

 

[wtlloyd]

No wifi on a pro body...needs external antenna, and judging by the 6D, too slow...

 

[Don Haines]

But if you're a younger generation photographer, you're pretty much going to expect that the glass on the back of the camera will be a touch screen interface. People already use iPhones, etc, in the freezing cold and rain. What's the big deal? If you're an old fart and don't like touch screen then you can turn it off.

I'm an auld fart and I want a touchscreen.

It's just another way of doing things.... Sometimes the knobs and buttons are the best way to go, sometimes the touchscreen is the best way to go, but there is no way that the knobs/buttons will always be the best way, just like there is no way that the touchscreen will always be the best way. This is the addition of another tool to your chest.

and by the way..... I live in Canada and it gets COLD!!! here in the winter. (Last year we were the coldest capitol city in the world!) .... I can get myself a set of gloves that has some conductive "wool" at the fingertips so I can use my touchscreen in the cold.....

God, I hate it when Dilbert is right.

 

[Ulric Wolf]

Unlike most of commentators say I would say it is possible - from 1080p 30fps to 4k 60fps, because of CFast cards - this jump could be possible (look at C300). And it is not exactly from 1080p 30 but from 4k 30 in 1DC (remember that this camera will replace 1DX and 1DC). Of course it sounds fishy. And 20Mp feels a little too low. But even if these specs could be correct - what will be the price? 7k? I guess even if it will get those parameters it will be far to expensive to produce (for now), so I'm not expecting Canon to push that far... Though I hope like small child (and claping hands) that Canon will make jump like that one day

Still waiting for 5D4 with 4k (with least 25fps) or at least with 4k HDMI out...

 

[crontab]

With all due respect your are definitely not the coldest capital. Check this:
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/coldcapital.htm
or this
http://www.sundaypost.com/travel/international/chill-out-in-the-world-s-top-10-coldest-capital-cities-1.856825
If you are talking about Ottawa, well, that was true only once in 2015:
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-the-coldest-capital-on-earth-1.2249406

Everything else - I agree completely

and by the way..... I live in Canada and it gets COLD!!! here in the winter. (Last year we were the coldest capitol city in the world!) .... I can get myself a set of gloves that has some conductive "wool" at the fingertips so I can use my touchscreen in the cold.....

God, I hate it when Dilbert is right.

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[Loswr]

Keep in mind that 1DX users might be shooting with something other than $10k+ lenses, or they might want to drop a 2X on their 600 primes. So I could see 1DX + teleconverter users rejoicing at f/8 expansion to other parts of the frame.

Yeah, I'd definitely appreciate having more than just the center point with my 600 + 2x.

 

[Click]

Yeah, I'd definitely appreciate having more than just the center point with my 600 + 2x.

+1

 

[expatinasia]

It all sounds very nice, though I would prefer to have two CFast card slots rather than just one.

I want the same technology capabilities in both slots without having to worry about having to do something if I fill one card.

 

[Loswr]

It all sounds very nice, though I would prefer to have two CFast card slots rather than just one.

I want the same technology capabilities in both slots without having to worry about having to do something if I fill one card.

Agreed - I'd prefer to have the identical dual slots, and pay the extra cost to abandon my CF cards / readers and replace them all with CFast. But was the 1D X the first to have dual CF? There's a history of mixed slots even in the 1-series.

 

[ksgal]

I must admit that I'm ever-so-slightly jealous of the coverage of that A7R II:

But, just forgetting the technical burden it might represent, wouldn't you want that kind of A7R II AF coverage in an SLR? Eventually, Canon needs to move away from 'but it will take a radical redesign' and more towards 'Never mind how hard it was -- we did it.'

I'll answer that... for Video/Stills in Auto AF point mode.. absolutely YES! But for someone that wants to compose a shot based on a single AF point? Absolutely NO!!! Positively NOT!!!

The one thing I hate, to a large degree is trying to navigate the AF on the A7 in small single point mode.. IT SUCKS! I mean hugely sucks.

Now, give me the option to turn off some so I can navigate with speed and you'll entice me again. On the 7DII at least you can single bump to get to the center and then toggle over to the other side AF point you want. But it totally takes an eternity to navigate to single point AF on that type of layout on the A7. And I really Really REALLY don't want that without ways to turn off sets of those AF points so I can navigate fast.

Being able to speed roll thru the old 9 point af on older Canon's is a blessing I miss sometimes... I don't understand why none of the manufacturers haven't looked at how we compose photos - the thirds, the golden spiral, etc and put af points in those positions, OR have a way to turn off all the af points except those positions.. No reason the camera can't do both on firmware-- and then let the dial roll only thru those af points left on. Need to run and gun, turn all the af points back on and use them in Auto - but I'd personally like to see the AF laid out how we compose photos.

I guess it shows another reason why video should be one type of camera, and stills should be another, and trying to do both is always going to be a compromise.

 

[ahsanford]

I must admit that I'm ever-so-slightly jealous of the coverage of that A7R II:

But, just forgetting the technical burden it might represent, wouldn't you want that kind of A7R II AF coverage in an SLR? Eventually, Canon needs to move away from 'but it will take a radical redesign' and more towards 'Never mind how hard it was -- we did it.'

I'll answer that... for Video/Stills in Auto AF point mode.. absolutely YES! But for someone that wants to compose a shot based on a single AF point? Absolutely NO!!! Positively NOT!!!

The one thing I hate, to a large degree is trying to navigate the AF on the A7 in small single point mode.. IT SUCKS! I mean hugely sucks.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, so I'll reiterate: "Wouldn't you want that kind of A7R II AF coverage in an SLR with Canon's wonderful AF selection controls and ergonomics?"

Again, I don't want an A7 rig. I want some things they can do in my next Canon rig.

- A

 

[crashpc]

I'm not the intended user but still. Thiss class should set some milestones. It can be good at high ISO speeds, it might work for various users, but 20Mpx after so many years. Really? C'mon canon, that producing for $$$$ is real 'drag'.

 

[PureClassA]

I think anti-flicker goes without saying. It's in the 7D2. It will be in the 1DX2. I dont think there is any debate on that point. Nor is there any debate on a new AF system that will spread the points out wideer across the frame (again like the 7D2) and there will be more of them. Simple rehashing the same 61pt AF they have now but boosting more points to cross type just ain't gonna happen. That's part of this CR1 that is just laughable to me. Like I said, I think the most (and perhaps only) feasible thing on this list is the WiFi and GPS. Seriously, how many of those stupid $500 wifi adapters does Canon really sell?? You can buy aftermarket adapters for 1/10th the price, no?

I know. CR1. But it's still hilarious. I don't think I believe a single spec in that list. Maybe just the FPS (sort of) and the GPS WiFi.

I believe GPS......
I believe WiFi..... maybe....
I believe touchscreen..... perhaps.....

but the new addition that I really believe will be there (and not mentioned in the specs) is anti-flicker...

And yes, it is CR1.... in general about as solid of a promise as from a politician seeking election.....

Don, good call on anti-flicker. I'd say that's a shoe-in to be included, given that many sports are played indoors and this is absolutely a sports rig.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

I'm not the intended user but still. Thiss class should set some milestones. It can be good at high ISO speeds, it might work for various users, but 20Mpx after so many years. Really? C'mon canon, that producing for $$$$ is real 'drag'.

But what if it is 20Mpixels of 16 bit colour depth pixels? What if this is the Nikon DR killer? What if it's images at ISO6400 beat the 5D3 images at ISO1600? We have zero hard info to act on......

Personally, I am very reluctant to criticize any piece of gear sight unseen and based on a rumour....