Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Press Release
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So same FPS in crop mode vs. non-crop mode? That would be disappointing.
So same FPS in crop mode vs. non-crop mode? That would be disappointing.
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Nikon did the same thing in the "filter-less" D800 version that they released.BeenThere said:
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To Dtheune Re:Crop mode:
No, I would not use any APS-C lenses on FF cameras without checking on mirror clearance. Canon lens designers are "allowed" (by Canon policy) to use that extra space in the mirror box (smaller mirror on APS-C camera) to allow more rearward extension of elements. Try focusing your lens not connected to the camera, watch the back of the lens for elements sticking out at extremes of the focusing range. Third party manufacturers like Sigma are likely not to allow the lens designers to use rearward extension of elements during focusing, because Nikon has that policy for lens design so as to allow Nikon APS-C-coverage lenses to be used on FF cameras (with large mirror) when those cameras are shooting in crop mode. I imagine that the designers aim to keep necessary design changes to a minimum and try to have those changes between mounts only account for camera brand flange-to-sensor distance differences. This third party design standardization would help greatly in reducing manufacturing costs.
As for using your Sigma 18-35 in crop mode on a Canon FF camera, I would contact Sigma directly to find if the lens design has enough clearance. They might not be willing to say outright that it is ok, but they should be willing to provide some measurements.
I am used to eyeballing old M42 lenses and guesstimating which are likely to be problems (hint: many wide angle retrofocal designs) when attached via adapter to my 6D. Old double gauss (fast normal, Zeiss calls the design "Planar") and telephoto designs are likely to be fine.
To Dtheune Re:Crop mode:
No, I would not use any APS-C lenses on FF cameras without checking on mirror clearance. Canon lens designers are "allowed" (by Canon policy) to use that extra space in the mirror box (smaller mirror on APS-C camera) to allow more rearward extension of elements. Try focusing your lens not connected to the camera, watch the back of the lens for elements sticking out at extremes of the focusing range. Third party manufacturers like Sigma are likely not to allow the lens designers to use rearward extension of elements during focusing, because Nikon has that policy for lens design so as to allow Nikon APS-C-coverage lenses to be used on FF cameras (with large mirror) when those cameras are shooting in crop mode. I imagine that the designers aim to keep necessary design changes to a minimum and try to have those changes between mounts only account for camera brand flange-to-sensor distance differences. This third party design standardization would help greatly in reducing manufacturing costs.
As for using your Sigma 18-35 in crop mode on a Canon FF camera, I would contact Sigma directly to find if the lens design has enough clearance. They might not be willing to say outright that it is ok, but they should be willing to provide some measurements.
I am used to eyeballing old M42 lenses and guesstimating which are likely to be problems (hint: many wide angle retrofocal designs) when attached via adapter to my 6D. Old double gauss (fast normal, Zeiss calls the design "Planar") and telephoto designs are likely to be fine.
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Congratulations, Canon.
It will be interesting to see the sample images from both the s and the sr bodies.
Certainly sounds like it is geared toward the knowledgeable creative pro or at least semi-pro photographer. Refreshing alternative to the "One and Only" one size fits none entries from others.
Congratulations, Canon.
It will be interesting to see the sample images from both the s and the sr bodies.
Certainly sounds like it is geared toward the knowledgeable creative pro or at least semi-pro photographer. Refreshing alternative to the "One and Only" one size fits none entries from others.
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it does not make sense . :-\ Mark 3 has DIGIC 5+ image processor, 22.1 megapixels (5760 × 3840 pixels and does almost 2k Video the 5DS has Dual DIGIC 6 CPU with 50.6 Megapix . it should be able with the house power to do 4K easily ... the 1DC has Dual Digic 5 CPU and does 4K . something is wrong here . very wrong ...
it does not make sense . :-\ Mark 3 has DIGIC 5+ image processor, 22.1 megapixels (5760 × 3840 pixels and does almost 2k Video the 5DS has Dual DIGIC 6 CPU with 50.6 Megapix . it should be able with the house power to do 4K easily ... the 1DC has Dual Digic 5 CPU and does 4K . something is wrong here . very wrong ...
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It sure looks like an interesting pair of cameras. But I'm happy with my pair of 5DIII's, they seem to give me everything I currently photographically need. I think I'll be more suited with a 5DmkIV than a 5DIIIs/r.
I've never found 22mp to be lacking in detail, I've never found that I've needed more. I really like the current iso ability of my 5DIII's, but I suspect that the 5DIIIs/r will suck in comparison. 50mp of high iso mush is quite likely.
Most of my work is hand held, fast apertures, wide open. I'm sure if you use a top tripod, great technique and stop your lenses down to f8 then you could utilize these camera's extra MP....otherwise, 22mp will be better suited.
It sure looks like an interesting pair of cameras. But I'm happy with my pair of 5DIII's, they seem to give me everything I currently photographically need. I think I'll be more suited with a 5DmkIV than a 5DIIIs/r.
I've never found 22mp to be lacking in detail, I've never found that I've needed more. I really like the current iso ability of my 5DIII's, but I suspect that the 5DIIIs/r will suck in comparison. 50mp of high iso mush is quite likely.
Most of my work is hand held, fast apertures, wide open. I'm sure if you use a top tripod, great technique and stop your lenses down to f8 then you could utilize these camera's extra MP....otherwise, 22mp will be better suited.
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Yup. 50.6 MP is a huge STFU to the other whiners though
Nearly fell off my chair laughing at a guy on a deals forum complaining the A7R wasn't supported in Dx0 v8 and claiming it was a 'popular camera model'.
mackguyver said:
Yup. 50.6 MP is a huge STFU to the other whiners though
Nearly fell off my chair laughing at a guy on a deals forum complaining the A7R wasn't supported in Dx0 v8 and claiming it was a 'popular camera model'.
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If this ends up being true about the AA filter I wonder why they wouldn't go the way Nikon did on the 810. I shoot architecture and interiors and I know some photographers that have the Nikon 810 and the Sony A7 R and the are saying get the 5Ds R. If there is any moire you can fix it in LR., but of corse they shoot landscape and just don't know what might happen with perforated blinds and brick in what I shoot with the 5Ds R. I wonder if in the end if the is any big difference in sharpness/detail for that anyone would really notice between the 5DS and the 5DSR except pixel peepers…?
If this ends up being true about the AA filter I wonder why they wouldn't go the way Nikon did on the 810. I shoot architecture and interiors and I know some photographers that have the Nikon 810 and the Sony A7 R and the are saying get the 5Ds R. If there is any moire you can fix it in LR., but of corse they shoot landscape and just don't know what might happen with perforated blinds and brick in what I shoot with the 5Ds R. I wonder if in the end if the is any big difference in sharpness/detail for that anyone would really notice between the 5DS and the 5DSR except pixel peepers…?
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I agree with your thoughts. I think in the near term I will upgrade by equipment with a high end Zeiss Otus lens to go with my 5DIII rather than spending similar money on the 5Ds. When and if I buy a 5Ds (after it proves out), that money spent on the Zeiss will work on the 5Ds too.
GMCPhotographics said:
I agree with your thoughts. I think in the near term I will upgrade by equipment with a high end Zeiss Otus lens to go with my 5DIII rather than spending similar money on the 5Ds. When and if I buy a 5Ds (after it proves out), that money spent on the Zeiss will work on the 5Ds too.
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Interesting about having added a cancellation filter instead of removing the optical low-pass filter altogether. Some have commented that it might have to do with the size of the sensor stack, relationship to other filters (like IR filter) or manufacturing costs. Those all sound like very reasonable possibilities.
One other theory to throw in the mix: Removing the OLPF altogether leaves you with maximum jaggies, false detail and risk of moire. Could Canon have "tuned" the cancellation filter to reduce but not completely eliminate anti-aliasing? Perhaps Canon engineers found a sweet spot that balances high detail with an acceptable amount of aliasing and moire. This could also explain the increased cost for the R version.
I'd love to hear from sensor geeks about if that's possible/likely in this situation...
Interesting about having added a cancellation filter instead of removing the optical low-pass filter altogether. Some have commented that it might have to do with the size of the sensor stack, relationship to other filters (like IR filter) or manufacturing costs. Those all sound like very reasonable possibilities.
One other theory to throw in the mix: Removing the OLPF altogether leaves you with maximum jaggies, false detail and risk of moire. Could Canon have "tuned" the cancellation filter to reduce but not completely eliminate anti-aliasing? Perhaps Canon engineers found a sweet spot that balances high detail with an acceptable amount of aliasing and moire. This could also explain the increased cost for the R version.
I'd love to hear from sensor geeks about if that's possible/likely in this situation...
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Because the 7DII is intended to be a top-notch fast action camera, and the 5DS(r) is not. Those 65 cross-type AF points are designed to enable accurate tracking across the frame at ridiculous frame rates. A body designed specifically for studio/landscape photography doesn't need that.
It's hard to differentiate products if you put the best tech you have into every body. Putting the 7DII AF system in a studio/landscape body would be overkill and would dilute the flagship status of the 7DII system.
Joey said:
Because the 7DII is intended to be a top-notch fast action camera, and the 5DS(r) is not. Those 65 cross-type AF points are designed to enable accurate tracking across the frame at ridiculous frame rates. A body designed specifically for studio/landscape photography doesn't need that.
It's hard to differentiate products if you put the best tech you have into every body. Putting the 7DII AF system in a studio/landscape body would be overkill and would dilute the flagship status of the 7DII system.
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Because that's not what it was meant for. Canon is set to release a 5D4 in several months that will likely have 28ish MP and 4K internal. Because it's a 5 series, it'll be in the same price range. Trade off is lower resolution but added 4k and wider ISO range a la 5D3. They aren't going to put everything in this body. If it had 4k too, we'd be looking at $4500 body. If 4k is that important for you, wait for the 5D4 and/or 1DX2 later this year. This is studio/landscape stills machine.
gotfredsen said:it does not make sense . :-\ Mark 3 has DIGIC 5+ image processor, 22.1 megapixels (5760 × 3840 pixels and does almost 2k Video the 5DS has Dual DIGIC 6 CPU with 50.6 Megapix . it should be able with the house power to do 4K easily ... the 1DC has Dual Digic 5 CPU and does 4K . something is wrong here . very wrong ...
Because that's not what it was meant for. Canon is set to release a 5D4 in several months that will likely have 28ish MP and 4K internal. Because it's a 5 series, it'll be in the same price range. Trade off is lower resolution but added 4k and wider ISO range a la 5D3. They aren't going to put everything in this body. If it had 4k too, we'd be looking at $4500 body. If 4k is that important for you, wait for the 5D4 and/or 1DX2 later this year. This is studio/landscape stills machine.
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Not sure about the jab at Canada (I quite like my neighbors to the north
), but I wondered about the authenticity a bit myself. Several typos can be found throughout the text. It would be pretty sloppy for something like that to be released.
That said, if it is a proper leak, then it's likely not a final draft -- especially with no mention of availability or price. We'll find out tomorrow...
PerfectSavage said:
Not sure about the jab at Canada (I quite like my neighbors to the north
), but I wondered about the authenticity a bit myself. Several typos can be found throughout the text. It would be pretty sloppy for something like that to be released.That said, if it is a proper leak, then it's likely not a final draft -- especially with no mention of availability or price. We'll find out tomorrow...
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Bingo. Stole my thunder. The new 65pt all cross will see it's FF debut in the 5D4 later this year, with and even better one yet to be unveiled in a 1DX2
Famateur said:
Bingo. Stole my thunder. The new 65pt all cross will see it's FF debut in the 5D4 later this year, with and even better one yet to be unveiled in a 1DX2
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Sigma 18-35 is designed for crop bodies but it does not have an EF-S mount. What you describe is about the EF-S mount lenses and so far only Canon has them.
Third party lenses are all EF mount.
All EF lenses will fit in any EF mount body with no issues whether it has a crop or FF sensor behind.
Entirely wrong.NancyP said:
Sigma 18-35 is designed for crop bodies but it does not have an EF-S mount. What you describe is about the EF-S mount lenses and so far only Canon has them.
Third party lenses are all EF mount.
All EF lenses will fit in any EF mount body with no issues whether it has a crop or FF sensor behind.
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