Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]

[mathino]

I personally hope that Canon takes some of the bells and whistles from the latest 650D/T4i and put them in this new body. Things like an articulating touchscreen, continuous AF in video and stereo mic. Put the whole thing in a package similar to the 7D with similar weather sealing and sell it. Granted, this might make the camera superior to the 5DIII in video (if they ended up having the same sensor) but will differentiate the two bodies.

I agree that touch "rotating-thing" is what Canon could use - but I doubt that, well, if this body has to fit between 5 and 7 series (mag-alloy body and some weather sealing).

As for continuous AF in video - that would require redesign of FF sensor - which means added R&D costs whish results in higher price.

...also this new body with all features you mentioned (mag-alloy, wheater sealing, flippy thing, touchscreen, dual mics) - it would be better in some way that 5D Mk III. No way that Canon would make such product.

Speaking of the Nikon D600, it is now rumored to include a 51-point AF system instead of the 39-point AF originally rumored. If true, then this makes me wonder if Canon can get away with a 7D AF? Maybe a few modification or a new AF between the 19-point AF and the 63-point AF would do.... perhaps something from the old 1D series (if it fits the smaller packaging, that is).

As for AF: Have you read all info regarding rumored Nikon AF ? That rumored AF would have 9 cross type points ?

Yes, 7D AF has "just" 19 points. The truth is they are all cross type (which means more precise). So yes, giving 7D AF makes sense. They could also re-use 1D Mk IV AF (and keep f/8 possible) - which has 39 cross-type points (and that would attract lots of people).

 

[Musouka]

I'm just trying to picture what the product roadmap would look like.

As it is now, the 650D/T4i has taken some features from the 60D and added some new stuff. This means that the 70D should move up into the slot of the 7D or just utilize the 60D body and add all the new technology from the 650D/T4i and the AF from the 7D and maybe use a slightly better body construction. So I was thinking that the 6D would share a similar body design with 70D but add the FF sensor and some other minor improvements for double the price (around $1000-1100 for the 70D and $2000-2200 for the 6D). Maybe Canon will compromise weather-sealing a bit (something similar to Nikon D7000?) to maintain a lower price point.

It might be wishful thinking but it makes sense to me. Will it cannibalize the sales of the 5DIII? Maybe. By the same token, shouldn't the 650D/T4i cannibalize the sales of the 60D and the 7D? I think the 5DIII would still have enough differentiating factors like a bigger body, better weather sealing, superior AF, faster FPS, bigger buffer and CF+SD if Canon made the 6D use SD only. The video features (especially if Canon ended up developing some Hybrid AF like the Rebel's) might be better than the 5DIII but that might be an opportunity for Canon to capture some of the 5D2 crowd who are mainly interested in video and finds the 5DIII to be too expensive).

I realize that the Nikon 39-point AF only has 9 cross type points. I was talking about the rumor that says it will have a 51-point (15 cross type point) AF similar to the D300, D800 & D4. Would Canon be content with just the 7D AF or will they up their game. In any case, the latest D600 rumor doesn't seem likely as people have pointed out that the screenshot comes from D800(E) manual and not really related the D600.

 

[crasher8]

Help me out here.

Isn't the desire for FF MAINLY a stills desire? I hear about a lot of wishes for video features, articulating screen, continuous AF etc. Isn't the T4i fulfilling those wishes at a much lower price point I'm not advocating the new entry level FF body NOT have video but I can't see why it should be feature rich. Especially if it is supposed to fill a price point below the Mk3. I know that the software side of video won't increase the price, that's a given but hardware certainly will.

This new body will not have that many bells and whistles we all know but IQ and resolution is typically a priority in FF bodies and something has to give for it to be entry level, not having too many video bells and whistles would be a starting point if you ask me. Other things:

Single CF card
partial weather sealing
No pop up flash (wouldn't that save money?)

 

[DB]

Help me out here.

Isn't the desire for FF MAINLY a stills desire? I hear about a lot of wishes for video features, articulating screen, continuous AF etc. Isn't the T4i fulfilling those wishes at a much lower price point I'm not advocating the new entry level FF body NOT have video but I can't see why it should be feature rich. Especially if it is supposed to fill a price point below the Mk3. I know that the software side of video won't increase the price, that's a given but hardware certainly will.

This new body will not have that many bells and whistles we all know but IQ and resolution is typically a priority in FF bodies and something has to give for it to be entry level, not having too many video bells and whistles would be a starting point if you ask me. Other things:

Single CF card
partial weather sealing
No pop up flash (wouldn't that save money?)

No, not really. The most popular HD DSLR is the Canon 5D2, precisely because it has a FF sensor with larger pixels than most APS-C sensors, and has better low-light performance (thus better for shooting video indoors).

The difference in surface area (SIZE) between the APS-C sized sensor in say the 7D and the FF one in the 5D is enormous, as the FF one is 2.5x larger (that's the difference between 36 x 24 mm vs 22.3 x 14.9 mm). That adds up to a whole lot more IQ when you have a FF sensor with 864 sq.mm vs a crop-sensor with a surface area of just 332 sq.mm

 

[crasher8]

Gotcha however it seems to me that the majority of people I read posting about the new entry level FF are stills shooters.
Is anyone with me in thinking that to keep down costs on tooling a new body you leave off the articulating screen?

 

[Musouka]

My idea is all about the continuation... if equipped with many of the same features as the 650D/T4i and, decidedly, the 70D, the 6D would be a more natural continuation and upgrade path for enthusiasts as opposed to the pro-sumer 5DIII. They would feel right at home. The articulating screen would give it an advantage over the D600 and doesn't appear to cost that much extra (if anything it makes the camera less sealed).

Now, whether Canon is interested in this way of thinking remains to be seen. Maybe they are or maybe they will think the risk of cannibalizing the sales of the 5DIII is too great.

 

[RC]

Gotcha however it seems to me that the majority of people I read posting about the new entry level FF are stills shooters.
Is anyone with me in thinking that to keep down costs on tooling a new body you leave off the articulating screen?

I think it's the other way around. I'm more inclined to think a body with a articulating screen would be less expensive because I believe articulating screens will only be added to plastic and less sealed bodies.

Come on Canon, give us a new FF mag & WS body (and without the articulating screen).

 

[crasher8]

I would hardly call the 5D3 prosumer. I think the gray area body where lines are blurred is the 7D.