Canon EOS M System Announced

[AG]

From reading all the chatter on the net about this camera, it basically looks like its a replacement for the 1100D market.

Around the same price point, comes in multiple colours and is better spec'd too.

What more would a beginner coming from p&s camera need? (especially if the rebel/xxxD series is too large/expensive/complicated for them).

 

[wickidwombat]

Did anyone notice these mountable camera grips in the italian video on 5:25 and 7:05 ?
They didn't show up on the Tech Radar video nor on the official announcement.
I think one of those would add the right amount of grip to this little thingy.

After watching the Tech Radar video I think the AF performance of this "touch me to shoot" function cannot compete.
It took nearly 1 second to grab focus while this is achieved on e.g. a GF3 in max. 2 tenth of a second.

Am I missing something?

ro_n

not an accurate representation,
I think the review was so boring it even bored the camera thats why it was so slow off the mark

 

[FrutigerSans]

So... another camera where video is the big selling point?

At some point Canon needs to just drop the pretense of being a camera company and admit that they are making camcorders in camera form factor.

Thus I go 'meh'.

Name another camera that has been released in recent years by ANY company that doesn't have video added.

Although i agree with your general point, just couldn’t resist naming the Sigma SD1 ;D

 

[rpt]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

 

[AG]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

I'd guess it depends on how they implement the adapter, if its the same as the Nikon to Canon type adapters then it will just be a small metal ring. But if its like the metabones style adapters that can also drive the lenses it will more than likely have a conversion factor of some kind to take into account due to the increased distance from the sensor.

Although on saying that for all we know they have added some wizardry into the "hybrid" APS-C sensor that can change its size as it were so when the EF adapter is on it is still 1.6 crop the same as when the stock lens is on there.

 

[UrbanVoyeur]

Three places canon missed it:
- No built in ***
Trivial extra cost. The *** accessory shown is almost as big as the camera.

- View screen does not swivel or tilt
We are supposed to hold this camera away from body to shoot. If the screen does not swivel or tilt it can only be used at eye level - not waist level, over head or off center.

- 18 MP
Really? I guess Canon's problems producing higher MP sensors at a reasonable price are greater than I thought.

Oh well.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

I'd be shocked if the EF converter cuts down on the field of view. Canon's marketing department is smarter than that, and their engineering department is too competent to screw it up.

b&

 

[wickidwombat]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

no glass so no modifier

you should get an edmika FD-EF adapter that will fix that and you will keep maximum image quality too

 

[AG]

- View screen does not swivel or tilt
We are supposed to hold this camera away from body to shoot. If the screen does not swivel or tilt it can only be used at eye level - not waist level, over head or off center.

Remember these are being aimed at people that are coming from Phones as their primary source of camera.

Plus how many times have you been to a concert and seen people holding their non swivel phones videoing the show?
Its a limitation that people learnt to deal with.

- 18 MP
Really? I guess Canon's problems producing higher MP sensors at a reasonable price are greater than I thought.

Do the average users really need over 18MP?
remember the 1100D is still only 12MP so for these users this is a considerable jump. Plus 18MP means consumers can get away with relatively small capacity SD cards. You start bumping that up to 22,24 or heaven forbid 36MP and the large file sizes and future storage issues give average consumers a reason to buy the other model.

 

[gmrza]

Do the average users really need over 18MP?
remember the 1100D is still only 12MP so for these users this is a considerable jump. Plus 18MP means consumers can get away with relatively small capacity SD cards. You start bumping that up to 22,24 or heaven forbid 36MP and the large file sizes and future storage issues give average consumers a reason to buy the other model.

At 18MP, you already need fairly decent glass to get a sharp image. While the difference between 18MP and 24MP is academic, a 36MP APS-C sensor would need glass, the cost of which, entry level users could not justify. Besides, how many 24x36" prints do most users make? - This isn't a camera designed to produce professional results. I think a 18MP sensor is more than fit for purpose. If you need higher IQ, then rather go full frame.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

You know...at first I wrote this off- saw the pics, saw it had no viewfinder or control dials...but thing is, I've always had an eye out for a capable compact camera to be a good P&S companion to my primary DSLR kit. I currently have a Canon SD950IS for that, and while it is a great convenience as a second-shooter, I've always been disappointed with its IQ in less-than-ideal lighting. I've looked at the G1X (was disappointed with IQ, size and slowness)....but if it turns out that this new EOS M offers DSLR-type quality and AF responsiveness in its package, I might actually take a closer look at it...as a potential replacement for the 950IS.

The big negative is price, though...if it were, say, $599 it would be a LOT more tempting. It's quite a high price point so it'd better deliver on the IQ and the AF to be worthy.

 

[rpt]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

no glass so no modifier

you should get an edmika FD-EF adapter that will fix that and you will keep maximum image quality too

I found the page on Flickr. At $165, I'd save that for a prime. Thanks anyway. Am curious about the focus confirm chip though. On an FD? Need to do more reading...

TrumpetPower, AG, thanks for your inputs.

 

[wickidwombat]

So with the mount for EF lenses does the focal length multiplier stay at 1.6? Or is it going to be more than that? My FD to EF converter has a multiplier of 1.25. Kills the wide angle end...

no glass so no modifier

you should get an edmika FD-EF adapter that will fix that and you will keep maximum image quality too

I found the page on Flickr. At $165, I'd save that for a prime. Thanks anyway. Am curious about the focus confirm chip though. On an FD? Need to do more reading...

TrumpetPower, AG, thanks for your inputs.

i've got it on my 600 FD f4.5 works great and the $1400 for a mint condition 600 f4.5 is pile cheaper than buying a current 600 its a fun lens
it always reports exif as canon 600mm f4.5

 

[TrumpetPower!]

You know...at first I wrote this off- saw the pics, saw it had no viewfinder or control dials

Actually, the main control on the back right is a dial not unlike that on the XD-series bodies. I'd guess that that's how you adjust aperture or shutter in Av and Tv modes...not sure how you do both in full manual -- probably hold some button while spinning the dial.

I'm also guessing that you won't really be using the dial very much with the camera, regardless. The 5DIII's automatic metering is already superlative; this thing pretty much has to be better, since it's getting a real-time readout straight from the sensor. My guess is you'll pick either Av or Tv mode based on the setting and let it do all the rest of the exposure stuff automatically, perhaps only very rarely using a bit of exposure compensation for really tricky scenes or where you want to do something weird.

Cheers,

b&

 

[Richard8971]

In case you guys are interested, the Canon USA website now lists "Powershots" and now "EOS cameras" instead of "DSLR cameras"

Curious...

D

 

[t.y.]

Does anyone know if flange distance affects lens design/quality? I'm wondering if there might ever be EF-M lenses better than their EF/EF-S equivalents.

 

[akiskev]

From dpreview

The 3-10x electronic zoom first seen on the EOS 600D, but mysteriously missing from the EOS 650D, is also available - with minimal loss of quality at the 3x setting.

Aaaahhh Canon I see what you did there : : :

 

[Mark1]

I've got to say that whilst I have no interest in the EOS-M body, I can appreciate that people like me are not Canon's main target audience. My main concern with this launch is the lack of lenses announced with it. My "hoped for" launch would have been:

• two bodies: this one and higher end model;
• three zooms: the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (collapsible would have been nice), an EF-M 55-150mm(ish) f/4-5.6 IS STM and an 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM;
• three primes: three fast pancake lenses. I won't specify focal lengths or apertures, as we could all argue over this until the cows come home!

Of course, this would have been living in dreamland! In the real world, we might have hoped for

• two bodies (camera companies seem to be more keen on bodies than lenses!)
• two of the zooms
• one or two primes

In reality, we got one body, one zoom and one prime, not exactly a solid commitment to the system from Canon! This wouldn't be a problem, except that they're the last to the party; we weren't even given a roadmap. What incentive is there to invest into EOS-M when micro-4/3rds is now so well established, Sony are starting to look strong, Fuji are pitching to the enthusiast, and even Samsung have a pretty good lineup. I certainly wouldn't buy into this system based upon EF lens compatability, because we all know they're mostly pretty unsuitable for mirrorless cameras (too big and with poor AF speed). I'm sure that Canon had this in mind when they launched the new EF 18-135mm IS STM and 'shorty-forty', but I don't think they're anywhere near as compelling (for their target audiences) on EOS-M as they are on their native format.

Canon have now shown the hand that many people have been waiting to see before they committed to a system. That hand is pretty weak at the moment; they need to keep up the momentum as the EOS-M system currently risks fading into obscurity once the hype from the launch is over (like Nikon '1' has). If they haven't got anything else (mirrorless) to show at Photokina, there are going to be a lot of people buying into rival systems. If that happens, then Canon had best hope that mirrorless is a fad and not the future, or they will have truly blown their market position.

I would be surprised if they didn't announce more lenses in the next month or so and probably even another body. They'll drip feed this new system over the next few months and hog the limelight for all it's worth. This is just the beginning and Canon will have a mirrorless package to compliment your DSLR and you simply wont be able to resist going out and spending 1500 bucks.

Canon know our minds - they have mind control!

 

[traveller]

So it seems that a lot of people have been waiting for Canon to show its hand and they seem to like what they see:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/home-run-for-canon-eos-m-most-pre-ordered-camera-at-amazon/

Canon best hope that they're not EOS DSLR owners who feel they need a compatible body for their EF mount lenses:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/new-kipon-adpater-supports-electronid-control-of-eos-lenses-on-m43-and-nex/#comments

 

[lipe]

can you imagine to mount this one EF 200 F2L

would be funny