That DP review was useless. I need to see RAW samples compared to a 60d
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You absolutely right.Marine03 said:after searching 650D review, every article I've found says NEW Sensor, but they must be considering it new since it includes the phase detection AF.
Marine03 said:after searching 650D review, every article I've found says NEW Sensor, but they must be considering it new since it includes the phase detection AF.
nentraC said:Marine03 said:drjlo said:T4i is now on pre-order at B&H with full specs. $849.
Unless somebody says otherwise, looks like the tired old 18 MP sensor with "hybrid AF" thrown in
Yea same old Sensor.......I probably wasn't going to upgrade to this body anyway but had hoped a new sensor here would mean a new sensor for the 70D for sure... now just have to keep my fingers crossed. However the Digic 5 really allows for much greater ISO in JPEG that's for sure.
I'm starting to hope that for only $1100 I'll be able to get a 70D Body.
dpreview says its a updated sensor. So i dont know any moor.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/3
K-amps said:nentraC said:Marine03 said:drjlo said:T4i is now on pre-order at B&H with full specs. $849.
Unless somebody says otherwise, looks like the tired old 18 MP sensor with "hybrid AF" thrown in
Yea same old Sensor.......I probably wasn't going to upgrade to this body anyway but had hoped a new sensor here would mean a new sensor for the 70D for sure... now just have to keep my fingers crossed. However the Digic 5 really allows for much greater ISO in JPEG that's for sure.
I'm starting to hope that for only $1100 I'll be able to get a 70D Body.
dpreview says its a updated sensor. So i dont know any moor.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/3
Surprise Surprise! Same old sensor...
One can see a hate group developing against dpreview just as we hate DxO.... wink wink, nudge, nudge !
dlleno said:as far as "newly developed" that is certainly true from the standpoint of phase detection AF. what is astonishingly missing from these communication is any notion of a new technology cycle bringing new advances in ISO performance.
this "new" sensor to me sounds like the same, tired old 18MP sensor re-fabbed to accomodate the new AF capabilities without any real new technology cycle in terms of ISO performance.
nentraC said:I found a video preview of the 650d and on guy is obwiously from Canon and is saying the sensor is new deweloped.
neuroanatomist said:nentraC said:I found a video preview of the 650d and on guy is obwiously from Canon and is saying the sensor is new deweloped.
Yes, but what extactly does that mean? The 18-55mm MkII kit lens was billed as new solely because of new IS algorithms (and some coemetic changes), but the optics are identical to the original.
If I had to guess, I'd say that Canon in effect 'bolted on' the phase detection components onto the existing 18 MP sensor. There was a suggestion in one review that, "Although Canon UK was unable to tell us how many pixels are used for phase detection AF, or how they are arranged, we're told that these pixels aren't on exactly the same plane as the imaging pixels."
If true, that suggests that from an image capture standpoint, the 'new' sensor is no different from the one found in the T2i/550D, T3i/600D, 60D, and 7D.
K-amps said:neuroanatomist said:nentraC said:I found a video preview of the 650d and on guy is obwiously from Canon and is saying the sensor is new deweloped.
Yes, but what extactly does that mean? The 18-55mm MkII kit lens was billed as new solely because of new IS algorithms (and some coemetic changes), but the optics are identical to the original.
If I had to guess, I'd say that Canon in effect 'bolted on' the phase detection components onto the existing 18 MP sensor. There was a suggestion in one review that, "Although Canon UK was unable to tell us how many pixels are used for phase detection AF, or how they are arranged, we're told that these pixels aren't on exactly the same plane as the imaging pixels."
If true, that suggests that from an image capture standpoint, the 'new' sensor is no different from the one found in the T2i/550D, T3i/600D, 60D, and 7D.
I am curious, how can they build (layer) a phase detection sensor over an existing image sensor without causing filtering effects on the actual image (unless they use some algorithm to actively fill in those empty/ light blocked spots) .... the other method would be the Sony way of adding a transluscent layer, but again this would cause light loss... anyone of physical picture so of the new sensor itself?
Halocastle said:It IS a NEW sensor. Canon reports it consumes less power than the old 18MP sensor (not to mention the hybrid AF). It is NEW.
"The same number of pixels in the EOS Kiss X5, has developed a new image quality and also to enhance performance. Support high-speed readout of 5 fps / up to about, and has realized the imaging plane phase difference AF (hybrid CMOS AF), and further power saving."
By NEW do you all mistakenly mean DIFFERENT?
Besides, Digic 5 is VASTLY more important than pixel count, vastly.
Halocastle said:It IS a NEW sensor. Canon reports it consumes less power than the old 18MP sensor (not to mention the hybrid AF). It is NEW.
"The same number of pixels in the EOS Kiss X5, has developed a new image quality and also to enhance performance. Support high-speed readout of 5 fps / up to about, and has realized the imaging plane phase difference AF (hybrid CMOS AF), and further power saving."
Halocastle said:Besides, Digic 5 is VASTLY more important than pixel count, vastly.
K-amps said:I am curious, how can they build (layer) a phase detection sensor over an existing image sensor without causing filtering effects on the actual image (unless they use some algorithm to actively fill in those empty/ light blocked spots)
Halocastle said:Besides, Digic 5 is VASTLY more important than pixel count, vastly.
Marsu42 said:If someone offered you two computers, one with windows 8, 256mb of ram, on-board gpu and a core i7, the other with windows 7 (magic lantern!), 4gb ram, dedicated gpu card and w/ a core i5 - which would you take?