Canon to Announce a Rebel 1300D Shortly

[RickWagoner]

I know you can make good images with any current DSLR, but I imagine a beginner DSLR in the world, who wants to buy his first camera "for real."

These guys would be excited with 24 megapixel and ISO12800 (equal T6i). After the higher the number, the better the camera ... That would cost another $ 50? Maybe $ 100, but would be more appetizing, the eyes of a layman.

At that end of the market, a $50 or $100 difference can be very significant.

Absolutely, price is king. Besides, I don't think most people - even those considering their first DSLR - know what ISO is.

The entry level is beyond the largest selling and largest money maker in all of the SLR world.

Most people buying this model will get it just because to them "it is a DSLR! and they are the best" then take a few shots with it in automatic mode then put it on the closet shelf. These people are more impressed with the free bag and card then they're of any specs the t6 has over it. This market is also in places many other SLR is not, like BB or Costcos to walmart.

The profit Canon makes on this is incredible. Very little R&D to pay for since everything in it is a hand me down. The cost of the parts is beyond the cheapest and the manufacture is fast with lots less quality control because of it being perfected the technology being older.


For anyone laughing at it or mad at Canon for doing this now then don't...This Camera pays for all the R&D that is needed for your next much higher end SLR. Without this entry level stuff you would not have the model higher up today.

 

[Refurb7]

Canon without a clue once more. First the 80D, now this. At least the 80D has a newer sensor.

The 80D looks to be a great camera. The 70D certainly is — mine is fantastic. These cheaper Rebel cameras work wonderfully too. Sorry they don't work for you.

 

[dak723]

I know you can make good images with any current DSLR, but I imagine a beginner DSLR in the world, who wants to buy his first camera "for real."

These guys would be excited with 24 megapixel and ISO12800 (equal T6i). After the higher the number, the better the camera ... That would cost another $ 50? Maybe $ 100, but would be more appetizing, the eyes of a layman.

At that end of the market, a $50 or $100 difference can be very significant.

Absolutely, price is king. Besides, I don't think most people - even those considering their first DSLR - know what ISO is.

The entry level is beyond the largest selling and largest money maker in all of the SLR world.

Most people buying this model will get it just because to them "it is a DSLR! and they are the best" then take a few shots with it in automatic mode then put it on the closet shelf. These people are more impressed with the free bag and card then they're of any specs the t6 has over it. This market is also in places many other SLR is not, like BB or Costcos to walmart.

The profit Canon makes on this is incredible. Very little R&D to pay for since everything in it is a hand me down. The cost of the parts is beyond the cheapest and the manufacture is fast with lots less quality control because of it being perfected the technology being older.


For anyone laughing at it or mad at Canon for doing this now then don't...This Camera pays for all the R&D that is needed for your next much higher end SLR. Without this entry level stuff you would not have the model higher up today.

Good points. And what the techies seem to forget is that every DSLR since 2004 (or thereabouts) can take excellent pics. That 18 MP sensor that everyone laughs at is undoubtedly the one that you used a few years ago and you loved the results. Well, guess what, the results are still as good. Not everyone wants a lot of bells and whistles. A lot of us, perhaps the majority, use center point focus, take photos in daylight, and just want to look through the viewfinder unencumbered by histograms, zebras, levels, etc. Some of us don't want more AND SMALLER pixels (Notice that most pro cameras keep the MP count low). Most of us don't print poster size, so for an APS-C camera, even 18 MP is far more than enough.

Canon has now, for at least the 4th time (1000D, 1100D, 1200D and now 1300D) released a camera that was a trimmed down version of it's latest rebel, with less MP. So this is nothing new. If you are going to continually bash Canon, at least pay attention and have some idea of what the 1xxxD line is all about.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Wonder what the price will be (and final, confirmed specs).

Sensing a bit of condescension here towards the entry-level market and that's unfortunate. Many here tend to forget that not everyone can afford, or needs, or even wants a 5D or 7D or xxD caliber camera. When starting out, cost is a MAJOR barrier (or at least it was for me), so I am grateful for the Rebel series, otherwise the cost to entry would have been too high. Once I had enough savings and determined I was serious enough about photography, that's when I started my upgrade path. But even then, Rebels (and the M-series) are still smaller and lighter than the more expensive models, and better suited for travel use. I love my SL1/M and have gotten some of my best pics out of them...

 

[digital-jesus]

I know you can make good images with any current DSLR, but I imagine a beginner DSLR in the world, who wants to buy his first camera "for real."

These guys would be excited with 24 megapixel and ISO12800 (equal T6i). After the higher the number, the better the camera ... That would cost another $ 50? Maybe $ 100, but would be more appetizing, the eyes of a layman.

At that end of the market, a $50 or $100 difference can be very significant.

Absolutely, price is king. Besides, I don't think most people - even those considering their first DSLR - know what ISO is.

The entry level is beyond the largest selling and largest money maker in all of the SLR world.

Most people buying this model will get it just because to them "it is a DSLR! and they are the best" then take a few shots with it in automatic mode then put it on the closet shelf. These people are more impressed with the free bag and card then they're of any specs the t6 has over it. This market is also in places many other SLR is not, like BB or Costcos to walmart.

The profit Canon makes on this is incredible. Very little R&D to pay for since everything in it is a hand me down. The cost of the parts is beyond the cheapest and the manufacture is fast with lots less quality control because of it being perfected the technology being older.


For anyone laughing at it or mad at Canon for doing this now then don't...This Camera pays for all the R&D that is needed for your next much higher end SLR. Without this entry level stuff you would not have the model higher up today.

Good points. And what the techies seem to forget is that every DSLR since 2004 (or thereabouts) can take excellent pics. That 18 MP sensor that everyone laughs at is undoubtedly the one that you used a few years ago and you loved the results. Well, guess what, the results are still as good. Not everyone wants a lot of bells and whistles. A lot of us, perhaps the majority, use center point focus, take photos in daylight, and just want to look through the viewfinder unencumbered by histograms, zebras, levels, etc. Some of us don't want more AND SMALLER pixels (Notice that most pro cameras keep the MP count low). Most of us don't print poster size, so for an APS-C camera, even 18 MP is far more than enough.

Canon has now, for at least the 4th time (1000D, 1100D, 1200D and now 1300D) released a camera that was a trimmed down version of it's latest rebel, with less MP. So this is nothing new. If you are going to continually bash Canon, at least pay attention and have some idea of what the 1xxxD line is all about.

And do photographs with much higher quality than many experts in this forum that have the best cameras and lenses and do not more than talk and talk and talk

 

[gsealy]

I don't understand the criticism. This camera will introduce the DSLR concept to a lot of people who know little more about photography than shooting with a one button automatic camera. Once a person understands the differences, the flexibility, and what photography is really all about, then they could very well advance to the next levels. Very, very few people would start off buying a 5DIII as their first camera. They simply don't know why anyone would spend thousands of dollars on it. If you want to create a market for high end cameras, then you have to create a market for low end cameras.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Reflecting back on this...
I'm wasting my time writing about something I don't care about and I doubt many others here are in the market for a 1300D. The 5D Mark IV/5DX excites me. I was bored I guess.

 

[H. Jones]

I think, and I could be wrong, that it's likely Canon is introducing the on-sensor ADC and new sensor tech to all of its DSLR models. So in that case, while this looks like it's not much of an upgrade, it'll likely have much better image quality. It just makes sense-- Canon could sweep up all of its models in a row and completely forget about the previous off-sensor ADCs.

I say that as a person who doesn't care about dynamic range at all-- I just think it'd make sense if Canon was moving the new sensor tech across the board. I also understand that no one buying this camera will care about dynamic range, but I think it would be a plus for Canon if even their lowest end model could prove Canon's recent improvements.

 

[weixing]

Hi,
If professional photographer can take good photo 15++ years ago using 4-5Mp DSLR, I'm sure this camera will be able to took some very good photo under capable hands.

Have a nice day.

PS: If your can't take good photo, don't blame on the gear.

 

[9VIII]

I think, and I could be wrong, that it's likely Canon is introducing the on-sensor ADC and new sensor tech to all of its DSLR models. So in that case, while this looks like it's not much of an upgrade, it'll likely have much better image quality. It just makes sense-- Canon could sweep up all of its models in a row and completely forget about the previous off-sensor ADCs.

I say that as a person who doesn't care about dynamic range at all-- I just think it'd make sense if Canon was moving the new sensor tech across the board. I also understand that no one buying this camera will care about dynamic range, but I think it would be a plus for Canon if even their lowest end model could prove Canon's recent improvements.

I really doubt this is an on chip ADC, but the point about the progression of technology is valid nonetheless.
We'll see if the noise is clean and pleasant (not stripey) or not. Even if the high ISO is the same, if it just has improved noise pattern then that's worthwhile.

 

[ScottyP]

Did anyone catch the American name? They skipped from T3 to T5. Would this then be a T7, or would it be a T6?

 

[dolina]

It better be REALLY cheap.

+1,000,000,000

How about the 5d3 replacement? Any news?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

It better be REALLY cheap.

+1,000,000,000

How about the 5d3 replacement? Any news?

A little bird told me that 5D Mark IV will be exatemente equal to the Mark III, but adds WI-FI, and NFC. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Adelino]

So here we have been waiting for 5DIV (and 6DII) for months and this is what Canon gives us?!

It's not intended for you or many on these boards. An it may be cheap but Canon will not be giving these to us either. The full frames will come, hopefully sooner rather than later, and hopefully with more punch ( a lot more punch) than this upgrade.

 

[mistaspeedy]

I used to own two different Canon point and shoot cameras:
Canon A640 (2006 model)
Canon SX130IS (2010 model)
My friend used to own a Canon S5is. (2007 model) and some Olympus before that.

Then we both upgraded to something that is a HUGE upgrade. A massive and giant leap ahead in all areas of still image quality.

My friend first bought a used Canon 400D. (2006 model)
Then I bought a used Canon 20D. (2004 model)

I'm sure the 1300D will be a huge and massive upgrade to all those people who don't have a DSLR, and are using their smartphones or compact cameras to take images.
It will also be a good upgrade to all those ancient DSLRs from 10+ years ago.

Every camera has its own target market

 

[Refurb7]

I don't understand the criticism. This camera will introduce the DSLR concept to a lot of people who know little more about photography than shooting with a one button automatic camera. Once a person understands the differences, the flexibility, and what photography is really all about, then they could very well advance to the next levels. Very, very few people would start off buying a 5DIII as their first camera. They simply don't know why anyone would spend thousands of dollars on it. If you want to create a market for high end cameras, then you have to create a market for low end cameras.

Exactly. These cameras fit a segment of the market and offer a lot for the price. For example, you can currently buy the Rebel T5i, 18-55mm IS STM lens & PIXMA PRO-100 printer for just $399 after rebate.

 

[9VIII]

Good points. And what the techies seem to forget is that every DSLR since 2004 (or thereabouts) can take excellent pics. That 18 MP sensor that everyone laughs at is undoubtedly the one that you used a few years ago and you loved the results. Well, guess what, the results are still as good. Not everyone wants a lot of bells and whistles. A lot of us, perhaps the majority, use center point focus, take photos in daylight, and just want to look through the viewfinder unencumbered by histograms, zebras, levels, etc. Some of us don't want more AND SMALLER pixels (Notice that most pro cameras keep the MP count low). Most of us don't print poster size, so for an APS-C camera, even 18 MP is far more than enough.

Canon has now, for at least the 4th time (1000D, 1100D, 1200D and now 1300D) released a camera that was a trimmed down version of it's latest rebel, with less MP. So this is nothing new. If you are going to continually bash Canon, at least pay attention and have some idea of what the 1xxxD line is all about.

Actually the results off the 1200D are better than the original 7D
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=673&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=932&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2

Not so much at high ISO, but there you're trading noise for detail since the excessive AA filter on the 7D will be doing some noise cancellation.

But the point on resolution is more than valid. When I was using a 5DMkII it felt totally bizarre to shoot a 20MP image and then downsample to 2MP for posting on the Internet. I think 3.5MP was the highest resolution image I ever uploaded.
The Bokeh is nice though, and having 40mm FOV with the pancake instead of 56mm (though the 40mm Pancake is also an extremely capable standard prime on crop).
The one time that I think the 5D2 did really come in handy was when I was asked to digitize a bunch of old photographs. In that situation I'm glad that I had a full frame body.
20MP was probably still overkill though.

Where I do like having more resolution is shooting wildlife and BIF, but again, in that case I also have no use for Full Frame. You're pretty much at 100% crop all the time in those situations, and that's where I wish we had 40MP APS-C bodies.
And on that note, I haven't particularly felt that the center point on the 1100D was terribly limiting, that center point tracks birds pretty well, and while 3FPS sounds horrible, I think the difference between that and 5fps is maybe a little over emphasized these days. When I'm out in the bush and I get my camera pointed at a bird, I'll usually get some good shots, and with a decent afternoon hike I'm usually tossing dozens of clean images when I get back to the computer.
Maybe I would feel differently if I were to actually try a 7D2, but the point is that a person can at least feel satisfied with the versatility of even the lowest body in Canon's lineup.

 

[CanNik]

Yawn...........

Yet another non event

 

[Schwingi]

Image processing engine: DIGIC4 +

I know this camera is aimed for entry level market, but it's still the year 2016... The processors can't be that expensive.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Good points. And what the techies seem to forget is that every DSLR since 2004 (or thereabouts) can take excellent pics. That 18 MP sensor that everyone laughs at is undoubtedly the one that you used a few years ago and you loved the results. Well, guess what, the results are still as good. Not everyone wants a lot of bells and whistles. A lot of us, perhaps the majority, use center point focus, take photos in daylight, and just want to look through the viewfinder unencumbered by histograms, zebras, levels, etc. Some of us don't want more AND SMALLER pixels (Notice that most pro cameras keep the MP count low). Most of us don't print poster size, so for an APS-C camera, even 18 MP is far more than enough.

Canon has now, for at least the 4th time (1000D, 1100D, 1200D and now 1300D) released a camera that was a trimmed down version of it's latest rebel, with less MP. So this is nothing new. If you are going to continually bash Canon, at least pay attention and have some idea of what the 1xxxD line is all about.

Actually the results off the 1200D are better than the original 7D
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=673&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=932&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2

Not so much at high ISO, but there you're trading noise for detail since the excessive AA filter on the 7D will be doing some noise cancellation.

Thank you for the link.

Glad to see that the famous sensor "APSC 18 megapixel" has been improved over the years. I did not know that current models like the T5 were so much better than the old 7D.