Confirmation of Upcoming Product Announcements

[wsmith96]

I think that both lens announcements are the perfect companion for the 5DIV. I've got the current 24-105 and it's a good lens, but I'd much rather have the 24-70 2.8 for the reasons Ahsanford alluded to. I'm expecting Canon to produce the same stellar results they have been providing lately with lens updates which will make the 24-105 II a fantastic kit lens and a good alternative to the 24-70 2.8.

 

[Dave Del Real]

I don't see any reason why Canon would upgrade the 7D2 to shoot 4K video.

Even if the camera could do it well, adding this feature doesn't exactly generate meaningful revenue.

Thanks for raining on my parade...

I think it would be dumb on Canon's part if they don't include 4K video in the firmware update. Makes no sense that they wouldn't. Direct hit to the Nikon D500, and becomes a great "B" cam to either the 5D Mark IV or 1DX Mark II - or even the C100 II or C300 II.

 

[frankchn]

The 16-35 f/2.8L III, a really important lens for the event/sports/reportage camp and possibly Canon's first UWA zoom with low coma for the astro crowd, will likely get steamrolled in the wake of the 5D4 press. I just think it might make more sense to make a separate splash about it later.

True, but we are talking about a $2000 MSRP lens that is fairly specialist here. I am guessing the people who need/want it will jump on it even if Canon just puts it on its online store one day with no announcement whatsoever.

 

[wsmith96]

The 16-35 f/2.8L III, a really important lens for the event/sports/reportage camp
- A

I agree with you. I would expect the sports and news shooters to jump on this lens. As for the astro crowd, once you are getting into this (expected) price range, I would think people would just switch to a prime lens.

 

[unfocused]

What are people expecting from this 7D2 firmware?

I'm expecting that it will primarily focus on software implementation of the new wi-fi card. At a minimum they need to add basic wi-fi functionality to the menu. Extra points if they actually make it intuitive, easy to use and offer some added in-camera editing capabilities.

I don't see any reason why Canon would upgrade the 7D2 to shoot 4K video.

Even if the camera could do it well, adding this feature doesn't exactly generate meaningful revenue.

Thanks for raining on my parade...

...I think it would be dumb on Canon's part if they don't include 4K video...Direct hit to the Nikon D500...

That assumes that Canon believes Nikon's inclusion of 4K video in the D500 merits a competitive response. The fact that they developed a wi-fi workaround and are essentially giving it away leads me to believe they view the absence of wi-fi capability in the 7D II to be far more of a competitive problem than the absence of 4K video. In all honestly, if they were that concerned about 4K video, they would have put it into the 80D, which is a much more video oriented camera than the 7DII.

 

[sunnyVan]

I totally agree with you. That's why I owned the 24-105 twice and both times I just had to sell them due to an unwillingness to compromise IQ.

I'm not an engineer but I'm sure 24-105 for such a large range is extremely difficult to design. I don't need the 24-105ii to be perfect throughout entire focal range. What I care about is 24-50 and then 100.

I have higher expectation for the 24-105ii than the 5dmk4. I'm probably in the minority.

Not so sure. There is far more room to reasonably improve on the original 24-105 than there is on the 5D3, IMHO.

Other than a magical fairy dust sensor improvements people are hoping for (which I don't believe are particularly 'reasonable' or will truly change their photography that much) or the expected feature onslaught of 4K / DPAF / anti-flicker / touchscreen / wifi etc., I don't see the core 5D3 stills photography experience being revolutionized with the 5D4 so much as nicely iteratively improved. It'll be a great camera and it will sell well, but it won't catch the Yeti in total darkness, it won't make subject's eyes bluer, and it won't feel better in the hands. It'll be 'next year's model' (so to speak) and hit the marks it should.

In contrast, the original 24-105L is the classic example of why I tend to avoid 4x+ zooms. Unlike other 4x+ zooms that have done well (the 100-400L II) or decently (70-300L) when compared to more traditional 2-3x zooms, the 24-105 is a full letter grade worse than the various 24-70s out there. There is tremendous room to improve that lens, IMHO, and those who have been pining for it have something to get really excited about.

- A

 

[Daan Stam]

i am going to be very unrealistic here
if they would anounce a c100 mk III with 4k 60p and 1080 120/240p they could put 4k 30p in in the 7d mark II and 80d and maybe c-log? and 5d mark IV with c-log, 4k 60p and dpaf and a film/firmware update for the c300 mk II all with whatever limitations ofcourse
with that they could at least compete with the d500 and fs5 and some other cameras
i know this is not going to happen but that would be awsome and really make canon the video champ

 

[ahsanford]

The 16-35 f/2.8L III, a really important lens for the event/sports/reportage camp
- A

I agree with you. I would expect the sports and news shooters to jump on this lens. As for the astro crowd, once you are getting into this (expected) price range, I would think people would just switch to a prime lens.

Ah, but that's the rub. Zoom or prime, name one canon lens wider than 35mm that is f/2.8 or faster that has low coma. The 24-70L II is really the only move there, and I presume the astro camp wants wider or faster than that.

So every time a new wide / fast lens gets offered by anyone, it gets the astro camp's hopes up. This one is no different.

- A

 

[rs]

Also, is it a new grip just because of the new battery, or is some 'new hotness' feature of the 5D4 driving that? (backlit buttons or 7D2-style AF adjuster joystick, perhaps?)

- A

Unless all the lower sections of the camera have identical dimensions to the 5D III like the 5D S/R do (and like the 20D/30D/40D/50D are all common too), it will necessitate a new grip.

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

The new 24-105L II makes last year's 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 STM even more of a head scratcher. For full frame shooters, I've had a hard time recommending it to anyone over a used copy of the existing 24-105L. For crop users, I have a really hard time recommending it over the new 18-135 Nano USM lens.

I thought it would make more sense when the next generation of full frame bodies released with DPAF support, but the 5DIV will presumably have DPAF...but will come with a new kit lens.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I don't see any reason why Canon would upgrade the 7D2 to shoot 4K video.

Even if the camera could do it well, adding this feature doesn't exactly generate meaningful revenue.

Thanks for raining on my parade...

I think it would be dumb on Canon's part if they don't include 4K video in the firmware update. Makes no sense that they wouldn't. Direct hit to the Nikon D500, and becomes a great "B" cam to either the 5D Mark IV or 1DX Mark II - or even the C100 II or C300 II.

Providing 4K is a ground up proposition, sensor cooling, is the big issue, but hardware capable of writing at the necessary speeds is also needed. I just don't see 4K being added by firmware.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

 

[daniela]

Did anybody hear something about an hardware change in the Canon EOS 7D Mark II that will be announced on the end of this month, or are there just software rumors out there?

 

[ahsanford]

The new 24-105L II makes last year's 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 STM even more of a head scratcher. For full frame shooters, I've had a hard time recommending it to anyone over a used copy of the existing 24-105L. For crop users, I have a really hard time recommending it over the new 18-135 Nano USM lens.

I thought it would make more sense when the next generation of full frame bodies released with DPAF support, but the 5DIV will presumably have DPAF...but will come with a new kit lens.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

It was meant to be a dead fish Canon gave to 24-105L owners to tell them that a 4.5x FL multiplier standard zoom was moving downmarket and that a 24-105L II was never coming. But they just completely reversed their positioning on this lens, much to this forum's joy (many folks wanted an 24-105L II).

Or the STM version was meant to be the cheaper EF kit zoom the 28-135 USM used to be. Either way, I'm sure it's lovely, but as much as the non-L primes are awesome, I'd only ever own L zooms since I moved to FF.

- A

 

[sunnyVan]

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The 24-105 LIS mkII is great news. It makes a fantastic two lens line up with the new 100-400mm LIS II.

 

[neuroanatomist]

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

Not at all hard to believe a 6DII will have DPAF.

 

[Sharlin]

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

My money's on Canon putting DPAF in every single non-Rebel/$1000+ DSLR from now on. Does not really make sense not to - it never was a high-end professional feature like, for example, the 60+ point AF sensors. DPAF is mature tech at this point - if the newest gen is too advanced, the 6D could get a 70D-style first-gen DPAF implementation without Live View Servo AF. I wouldn't be surprised if even the next 100-series Rebel (the "800D") got DPAF.

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

True, but we are talking about a $2000 MSRP lens that is fairly specialist here. I am guessing the people who need/want it will jump on it even if Canon just puts it on its online store one day with no announcement whatsoever.

You just described me. ;D Already sold my Sigma 24mm Art lens (that BTW, I loved) in preparation for this lens. Had the II version and loved it, but had to give it up to get a 1DX. Can't wait to get back to this lens!

 

[Don Haines]

Did anybody hear something about an hardware change in the Canon EOS 7D Mark II that will be announced on the end of this month, or are there just software rumors out there?

Just software rumours....

Odds are that the rumoured firmware update will be the remote control code to go with the new W-P1 wifi interface, although there is a rumour of a "new to Canon" feature to be included in the 5D4 which, if it is software like the flicker-detection", could also show up in the 7D2 firmware update....

4K video could appear, but only if power and overheating issues caused by the increased processor workload can be solved and only if data can be written to storage fast enough. Since both of those are hardware issues, it is extremely unlikely. There is the chance of being able to shoot short clips of 4K video at high compression rates, but in this case we have to ask why? To compress enough to be able to write it to the existing storage sort of negates the advantage of going to 4K in the first place.......