EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]

[Marsu42]

Just what we need. Another $7,000 camera. Where is the 7D MkII???

But the 2014 1dxs will work nicely with your new 200-400L, won't it?

... but think of this: Every advantage in the high end sector is good for everyone even with Rebel budget because Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on. So if they release a new 1d it will be likely there will be more features and less crippling in the 7d2 (and 5d4, 6d2, 750d...).

 

[mackguyver]

Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on.

Channeling Neuro here - "Except for the clean HDMI out on the 5D III!!!"

 

[Marsu42]

Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on.

Channeling Neuro here - "Except for the clean HDMI out on the 5D III!!!"

Correct, the only reason why Canon did that was that Magic Lantern added it to the 5d3 anyway and Canon wanted to save the embarrassment - but it didn't work, now a ML-5d3 shoots raw mlv (dng) 1080p video which you can import straight into Premiere and still shows how crippled and conservative the stock Canon fw is.

 

[Kwanon]

It would be about time for Canon to release the 1D S.
I want this camera!!!

 

[danski0224]

Do I hear a bunch of miffed 1DX owners?

 

[Loswr]

The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Am I just not reading this right?,…are you referring to the current EOS 1Dx or a different 1 series body out in the wild somewhere?

M.ST purports to have access to all new Canon prototypes months or years before they're released. He has also claimed that Canon let him permanently keep at least one prototype camera (which seems extremely unlikely). However, he never seems able to provide any substantiation for his claims. I recommend taking his statements with a pinch of salt. A small pinch like this one ought to do the trick...

Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on.

Intersting. So the Digic image processors aren't considered 'tech'...or maybe you have some other explanation for Digic4 debuting in the 50D, before showing up in the 5DII, 7D, 1D IV, and so on? :

 

[justsomedude]

TBH, I actually don't care all that much now.

What we have is good enough for (most of) our needs.

+1

Maybe I'm just old and cranky, but Canon's approach to "innovation" of cranking out $2,500 bodies every two years with minor tweaks is getting a little old. And in the case of the 1D series, we're talking $7,000 bodies.

Reminds me of the iPad Air launch; "Really - that's it? Thanks, but no thanks."

 

[P95]

So Nikon produces a large mega pixel (36mp) camera for $3k. If and when Canon produces a large mega pixel (speculated 47mp) camera it's looking to be around $7k in an EOS-1 boy type. :

 

[privatebydesign]

I thought, stupidly, I was the only one with that opinion of M.ST. (Isn't it a 40D prototype he claims to still own, along with his personal EF1200 f5.6?)

As for debuting tech, Nikon have always had the reputation of throwing everything possible into their pro range first, Canon have always had a much more conservative approach, a method exemplified by ECF (eye controlled focus) in the EOS3, Elan, A2e etc, it never made it to the big league.

Regarding the next 1 series, who knows what it will be, certainly nobody here, but if it is a 1Dx with >21mp but <30mp I have the $6-8,000 sitting waiting.

 

[justsomedude]

So Nikon produces a large mega pixel (36mp) camera for $3k. If and when Canon produces a large mega pixel (speculated 47mp) camera it's looking to be around $7k in an EOS-1 boy type. :

Right? I just don't know what Canon is doing anymore. My long held belief of, "I'm tied to Canon because of all the glass I own," may actually be starting to fade. For the first time I am considering the possibility of moving on, or at least taking on another brand full time.

And as for the $3k price of the Nikon 36mp, don't forget that Sony will be launching their version come December 1 for $2,300 ... http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Full-Frame-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera/dp/B00FRDUZUK

Really makes you wonder what you could possibly get in the $7,000 version from Canon.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Am I just not reading this right?,…are you referring to the current EOS 1Dx or a different 1 series body out in the wild somewhere?

M.ST purports to have access to all new Canon prototypes months or years before they're released. He has also claimed that Canon let him permanently keep at least one prototype camera (which seems extremely unlikely). However, he never seems able to provide any substantiation for his claims. I recommend taking his statements with a pinch of salt. A small pinch like this one ought to do the trick...

ah nah... his pieces of "infos" are always vague enough that they are most certainly true.

like "tomorrow the sun will rise". no salt needed.

 

[drjlo]

Could this be Canon's high MP offering?
Could this be Canon's D800 / A7R "competitor" in a $7.000 elephant body?

I just can't see too many ordinary people (i.e. not Canon die-hards) buying a ~$7K gargantuan body over the much smaller, cheaper $2300 Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels. :-[

 

[Eldar]

The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Eeehhh ... Have you seen something we haven´t seen? The only thing I have seen published so far is a rumor of a 1-series body that may be announced in Q2-14, no spec, no pictures, no .. nothing (?)

 

[Lichtgestalt]

Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels. :-[

how do you know... the camera is not even announced.
what are the parameters for your likelihood calculations?

is there a natural law that canon has to stay with the 500nm process and will not improve analog digital conversion etc?

my guess is..... at some point canon will have to do the jump to a new manufacturing process.
and for 40+ MP i guess canon HAS to do it.

there is a reason canon sticked to 22 MP.
imho it makes no real sense to increase pixel count to 40+ MP and stay with the current technology.

so i know as much as you do.. but i think it´s more likely that canon will close the gap or even trump sonys sensors.

 

[Ricku]

Could this be Canon's high MP offering?
Could this be Canon's D800 / A7R "competitor" in a $7.000 elephant body?

I just can't see too many ordinary people (i.e. not Canon die-hards) buying a ~$7K gargantuan body over the much smaller, cheaper $2300 Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels. :-[

Well, obviously. I guess you missed the sarcastic touch in my text.

But yes, this is probably how Canon is going to market their high MP jump.

They will put the sensor in a big ass expensive 1D-body, and market it with words like "amazing, revolutionary, groundbreaking".

 

[sanj]

The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Absolutely agree. Me too.

 

[Marsu42]

Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on.

Intersting. So the Digic image processors aren't considered 'tech'...or maybe you have some other explanation for Digic4 debuting in the 50D, before showing up in the 5DII, 7D, 1D IV, and so on? :

Indeed I have ... I was writing of the usable features filtering down which are (mostly) based on hardware tech, but not always like your 50d example as the processor is an internal part that is transparent to the user unless harvested by the fw. If the Canon manufacturing schedule is set up in a certain way there might be a short "regression" that a less expensive camera gets a newer hardware part...

... but my observation stands that Canon generally tries to "include" the features of a less expensive camera in one line (mirrorless, crop, ff) in the more expensive one with one prominent exception: the swivel screen only in 60d/70d. Other than that, in dumb tech spec comparisons the expensive model is always designed to look inferior, observe what they did to some 6d specs in comparison to the 5d2.

 

[RGomezPhotos]

Big MP camera. A little behind the schedule I thought they would do this. But only a few months.

I think they are going to lower the price on the 1DX simply because the 7DMKII is going to take some sales from it. If the most recent specs of the 7DMKII are somewhat true, I think the 1DX would be a tough sell without a price drop. I think the 7DMKII is going to come in around $2800 and the 1DX will come in around $5500. An extra $2700 for FF, ISO performance, dual CF slots. better weather and the "flagship" sports camera? Yes. I think many people would pay that over the 7DMKII for those features.

I hope the new big MP camera just kicks ass and represents the new standard. It really must. Otherwise. I'll have to wait until I can justify MF. And considering how good my 5DMKII, or almost any FF DSLR under 7 years old, I'm in no rush.

 

[distant.star]

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I think this rumor is pure mystery meat.

I suspect IF Canon announces a new high-end body next year, it will be something entirely different from a conventional 35mm-equivalent DSLR. The 1Dx of next year will be the 1Dx of this year.

 

[stoneysnapper]

I'd be a lot happier if they just announced they had the 1Dx working correctly. My first 1Dx is currently back in Japan at Canon Inc, I got a loan body through CPS (came from Germany) and it was the same, I then got a brand new body courtesy of Canon UK and it exhibits the same problem.

The 1Dx has an inherent problem with lubricant splashing onto the sensor, probably 90%+ of its users (Press and Sports togs) won't be aware of the issue because unless you are shooting above F11 and with a good portion of sky or uncluttered area in the image or so you probably won't see the problem. I had the sensor on the original body cleaned about 5 times in around 8 months and every time I used it thereafter the problem reappeared within a very short space of time. I thought that it was 12fps that was causing the problem however the new body I have has not been used at 12 fps as yet and it is exhibiting the problem after less than a thousand shutter activations.