EOS 7D Mark II Basic Specs [CR2]
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Unless, 7D II has super battery - I just don't see 12fps. It will be slower than 1D X. 10fps is fast enough for outdoor sports camera
My take:
1. 10fps
2. 51-61pts AF system
3. Solid body
4. Half stop better in high ISO over current crop cameras - useable at 1600ISO
My take:
1. 10fps
2. 51-61pts AF system
3. Solid body
4. Half stop better in high ISO over current crop cameras - useable at 1600ISO
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Dylan777 said:
That would only be enough for me to upgrade IFF the IQ is better, inclusive of fixing the noisy sky issue.
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Video features limited? I was hoping that this would be a 5D3 Lite in terms of video, with the new dual pixel AF. Why limit its video when it's clearly supposed to be better than the 70D and in a higher bracket? Unless of course by "limited" they mean it's much better than the 70D but crippled to be worse than the 5D3 as to not kill its own market. Here's hoping for the best...
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unfocused said:
I've always assumed that different components reach readiness at intervals. The current test-version of the 7D2 may well have the 70D's sensor in it because that's the best/closest thing they've got to the final sensor they will ultimately put in it. I certainly agree: it would be surprising, even given the history of the 18MP sensor, to have a 7D2 come out with a year-old sensor in late 2014. But they have to be ready to respond to a D400 if it comes out soon.
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That's a good spec list. I'll have one. My 1D4 is getting tired. You can be sure the sensor performance will be a significant upgrade on the 7D & incrementally improved on the 70D. It's the AF specs and the FPS specs that grab my attention.
Just a release date now please...
-PW
Just a release date now please...
-PW
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I really hope that "ISO 100-2560" is a typo with a missing digit... 
unfocused said:
I don't want to look a triple ditto gift horse in the mouth, but... :
I'm not certain the 7D2 is just waiting for a Canon "Execute build plan delta!" audible to be called from corporate in quick response to a Nikon offering. I'm sure they'd love to, but does it work that way?
I don't think the sensor decision (in particular) is a plug-and-play variable in the design. I'm an engineer (not a EE to be fair), but wouldn't an 11th hour sensor decision drive a lot of other issues, like processor bandwidth, LiveView control firmware, rate-limiting the shutter to not overheat the processor / fill the buffer too soon, etc. Also, doesn't the board + sensor have a specialized mount with power and heat sink considerations?
Just thinking out loud... Maybe it could be as Unfocused has said if Canon's development process banked things as they went. It's possible that they have a banked 'vanilla' 7D2 design (only so-so, think '70D plus') ready for manufacture should Nikon offer the D400, but could concurrently be working on a more badass variant should the competition take longer with their designs... As much as we believe Canon has armies of engineers and dozen of design variants (to some extent I am sure they do), it would be horrifically inefficient to take many concepts all the way to near-production prep like that.
(...but it would SO explain why new products take so damn long with Canon.
)- A
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ahsanford said:
But the 7D wasn't the first model with the 18MP sensor. IIRC Canon said it was 'different' to prior 18 MP models, but it was pretty subtle. So why should it have to be first with the new 20 MP sensor?
If we are lucky, it will be a slightly upped version of the 20.
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ahsanford said:
Speculating here, and I'm not an engineer. I can't imagine how it would be very far from PnP, considering each component likely has to be designed by a separate team. My guess is that they would give each team a target range for parameters, then tweak them to make it fit together in the the last few months of design. So if they use the 20Mp sensor they might get 11.3 fps, but if they go with a new 24Mp sensor it would be (20/24) * 11.3 = 9.4 fps. But I'm just blowing smoke...
If the 70D's IQ is "reasonable" then the 7D2 would do with that sensor if it has the performance of a mini-1DX. And Canon wouldn't sell it if it were a mini 1DX with the IQ to match. If the 70D's IQ really is indistinguishable from the 60D's, it would be hard to achieve the quantity sales with the 7D2 they appear to have gotten from the current 7D.
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Why the discussion about more megapixel? Isn't the 7D (and MK II) aimed at sports / birding shooters? It already has the 1.6x crop. For me 18mp was ok. The 8 fps was ok too. Mostly I want usable ISO 6400. And 19 points AF was ok too. I wouldn't dislike the AF system of the 5D MKIII but if the 7D MK II does not have more than 19, then it is not a showstopper for me to buy the 7D MK II. I like the AF presets of the 5D MK III. Would be nice if they include this in the 7D MK II.
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unfocused said:
The thing is, even I am okay with upgrading by mid-2014, but if Canon has at least announces the 7DII by the end of this year then I can decide if I want to wait for the 7DII (if the ISO performance is significantly better than 7D then it is a cheaper option) or get the 5DIII (more expensive but definitely superior).
Furthermore, if Canon actually released it this year, then by mid-2014 the price would have come down some and stabilized.
Oh well, I think I'll just bite the bullet on the 5DIII if Adorama, etc. announces another sale- just hate to think of the hassle of selling all the EF-S lenses...
If I may ask a thread-unrelated question: Is it better to buy new from BigValue or buy refurbished direct from Canon (through CLP)? The 5DIII prices are pretty close and now Canon provides 1 year warranty on refurbs.
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A number of us posted on a thread some time ago (a few months?) - about the time from R&D on new technology and putting into a new DSLR, and the time between initial announcement, to production and final release.
The most knowledgable people (including some CR contributors who work in electronics / R&D) - said that the process would usually take some years with 'new technology', into something like an DSLR.
So, I believe Canon could have a new sensor in the 7DmkII - as well as 1 or 2 other 'great features' (eg improved AF, eg more pts and dual focus LiveView & improved optical focus).
Hoping for such a camera, sometime in 2014!
Regards
Paul
The most knowledgable people (including some CR contributors who work in electronics / R&D) - said that the process would usually take some years with 'new technology', into something like an DSLR.
So, I believe Canon could have a new sensor in the 7DmkII - as well as 1 or 2 other 'great features' (eg improved AF, eg more pts and dual focus LiveView & improved optical focus).
Hoping for such a camera, sometime in 2014!
Regards
Paul
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