Magic Lantern Improves 5D Mark III Dynamic Range to 14 Stops

[Drizzt321]

WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

Because they're hackers (see original definition), it's there, and because they can. Side benefits are it's a crazy idea, but it can work and likely provide some practical benefits to some photographers. But mostly because it's there.

intligent answer, shall we take some advatages with a large DR?
and why do you think all sensor companies seek such a large DR as possible? until the flare from the lenses puts a end

I'm trying to read your response and make some sense of it, but I'm failing to extract real, meaningful content. I'm particularly confused about bringing of flare from lenses. What does it put an end to? You're leaving me hanging here. It's like Harry Potter And the Deathly Hallows Part 1. Why do I have to wait so long for Part 2?!?

 

[CarlTN]

How come nobody else is hacking cameras? Why is it always magic lantern?

Why duplicate what someone else has already done? Join in and work on something that interests you or make an existing feature work better.

Now, occasionally it can make sense to have multiple projects that put out stuff that fundamentally does the same thing, but has a different interface or way of operating that enough other people find useful. But when it comes to cameras, something that's quite difficult to work on and are relatively expensive (mostly) to get even 1 to develop for, it makes a lot of sense to only have 1 main project and maybe if you really need something special just for you, a branch that you keep up to date with the mainline.

Or could it be that no one else wants to open themselves up to liability?

 

[Marsu42]

How come nobody else is hacking cameras? Why is it always magic lantern?

Why duplicate what someone else has already done? Join in and work on something that interests you or make an existing feature work better.

Or could it be that no one else wants to open themselves up to liability?

Canon has (inofficially) conveyed that they have no problem with ml as long as they leave the 1d series alone.

Btw there are other projects adding custom fw to the cameras like 400plus, but for the newer models they joined up for ml. The reason is that the main work is not the actual coding, but the reverse engineering of Canon's digic and DryOS software, both undocumented (thanks, Canon).

It doesn't make sense duplicating all this, and the ml software framework is very mature and easy to use to add something to it - I often do if I want my camera to do some convenient things like auto-switching to fast drive on bracketing or try to stick to max. x-sync w/o risk of severe overexposure like the Canon fw does.

 

[rpt]

I swear every thread turns into the same thing!

What exactly is ankorwatt trying to say? That we should all immediately go out and buy a D800? While we're at it should we all have the same hairstyles and wear the same clothes?

Haven't you heard of choice? We choose to shoot Canon because we like it.

Now, do you actually take any pictures with the D800 or what? Can you show us an example of when you needed the extra 2 or 3 stops? No really, I want to see. I have no clue what it looks like. I thought shadows were meant to be black, doesn't it look fake if they're not?

yes and I shoot also Canon because I like it, but as you all can se there are answers like above, when the benefits of 3 more stops of DR are useful ?????
It is always useful
WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

Mikael, are you a photographer?

If yes, more pictures and less talk. And by pictures I mean other things than DRab stuff. I mean artistically or technically great stuff.

If no, its ok. I mean just talk from you is ok. I'll understand.

well ask the companies and institutes Im working for.

how about you?

Very welcome to ask the company I work for and persons I work with about my photographs

 

[kaihp]

Btw there are other projects adding custom fw to the cameras like 400plus, but for the newer models they joined up for ml. The reason is that the main work is not the actual coding, but the reverse engineering of Canon's digic and DryOS software, both undocumented (thanks, Canon).

Picking nits: No, the DryOS is most likely very well documented. But that documentation is proprietary and confidential inside Canon.

 

[Zv]

I swear every thread turns into the same thing!

What exactly is ankorwatt trying to say? That we should all immediately go out and buy a D800? While we're at it should we all have the same hairstyles and wear the same clothes?

Haven't you heard of choice? We choose to shoot Canon because we like it.

Now, do you actually take any pictures with the D800 or what? Can you show us an example of when you needed the extra 2 or 3 stops? No really, I want to see. I have no clue what it looks like. I thought shadows were meant to be black, doesn't it look fake if they're not?

yes and I shoot also Canon because I like it, but as you all can se there are answers like above, when the benefits of 3 more stops of DR are useful ?????
It is always useful
WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

So, instead of providing an image to clarify you ask some vague question about MLs motives. Nice. I also couldn't care less where you work. I asked for an image that you took that needed 13-14 stops of DR. Quite frankly I am dissapointed. What if I was actually someone who cared? You let me down man!

 

[GDub]

WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

Because they can! Rock on ML!

 

[Skulker]

I swear every thread turns into the same thing!

What exactly is ankorwatt trying to say? That we should all immediately go out and buy a D800? While we're at it should we all have the same hairstyles and wear the same clothes?

Haven't you heard of choice? We choose to shoot Canon because we like it.

Now, do you actually take any pictures with the D800 or what? Can you show us an example of when you needed the extra 2 or 3 stops? No really, I want to see. I have no clue what it looks like. I thought shadows were meant to be black, doesn't it look fake if they're not?

yes and I shoot also Canon because I like it, but as you all can se there are answers like above, when the benefits of 3 more stops of DR are useful ?????
It is always useful
WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

So, instead of providing an image to clarify you ask some vague question about MLs motives. Nice. I also couldn't care less where you work. I asked for an image that you took that needed 13-14 stops of DR. Quite frankly I am dissapointed. What if I was actually someone who cared? You let me down man!

You're not the only one disappointed with him. He just likes to make silly statements like claiming that 3 stops extra is always useful. What daft rubbish. Clearly its not true.

 

[jrista]

I swear every thread turns into the same thing!

What exactly is ankorwatt trying to say? That we should all immediately go out and buy a D800? While we're at it should we all have the same hairstyles and wear the same clothes?

Haven't you heard of choice? We choose to shoot Canon because we like it.

Now, do you actually take any pictures with the D800 or what? Can you show us an example of when you needed the extra 2 or 3 stops? No really, I want to see. I have no clue what it looks like. I thought shadows were meant to be black, doesn't it look fake if they're not?

yes and I shoot also Canon because I like it, but as you all can se there are answers like above, when the benefits of 3 more stops of DR are useful ?????
It is always useful
WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

So, instead of providing an image to clarify you ask some vague question about MLs motives. Nice. I also couldn't care less where you work. I asked for an image that you took that needed 13-14 stops of DR. Quite frankly I am dissapointed. What if I was actually someone who cared? You let me down man!

You're not the only one disappointed with him. He just likes to make silly statements like claiming that 3 stops extra is always useful. What daft rubbish. Clearly its not true.

I'd extend that to be "3 extra stops is always useful for every kind of photography or subject man has or ever will conceive of". ;P No one will dispute the notion that more DR is always useful for some kinds of photography. Mikael's issue is that he insists on pushing that point at every single opportunity, regardless of the circumstances.

It should also be pointed out that Canon sensors are actually capable of similar dynamic range to other sensors. The issue isn't actually Canon's sensors, the issue is really downstream sources of noise...the stuff inside their DIGIC chips. The banding noise is added later, after the sensor has been read, while the analog signal is converted to a digital signal. It is actually possible to reduce that banding with good tools. Nik Dfine 2 can do a moderately good job, Topaz DeNoise 5 can do a very good job. Even if you leave some banding behind in order to avoid softening detail, it is possible to recover a good stop or two of dynamic range, even from a crappy Canon sensor. Since photographic DR has a lot to do with the tolerances of the photographer, it's a difficult thing to nail down...but for those willing to spend a little time, a lot of DR can be recovered with Canon sensors (even without the ML hack.) That is another point that Mikael simply refuses to ever acknowledge when he brings up the D800 and its DR, but one that is rather important.

 

[dtaylor]

Oh look! ankorwatt is telling us again how all photographs ever taken across all time need more dynamic range then you get from a crappy Canon sensor. Because Nikon has more dynamic range. Like, a thousand stops more. Infinity+1.

Glad I didn't miss that. I needed my daily reminder.

 

[tron]

Q: What time is it in Stockholm?
A: The D800 has better DR, Canon's sensor sucks.[/i]

Now that caught me off guard and made me burst into laughing ;D ;D ;D

 

[Krob78]

WHY do YOU think Magic Lantern are trying to squeeze out a larger dynamic range

Because they can! Rock on ML!

That and because anything better would be better... Did I just say that??

 

[ishdakuteb]

Oh look! ankorwatt is telling us again how all photographs ever taken across all time need more dynamic range then you get from a crappy Canon sensor. Because Nikon has more dynamic range. Like, a thousand stops more. Infinity+1.

Glad I didn't miss that. I needed my daily reminder.

when are you going to understand that Canon does not make crappy sensors???????????
like cars, there are better motors
And Im not telling everyone they need more DR , IM SAYING THERE ARE ONLY BENEFITS WITH GREATER DR like a better lens etc
You have serious problems with admitting that Canon is not the best in sensors making.The sensor question seems to create a big Canon trauma for some of you
Im lucky , I have both and more systems and use them as a tool and I can se pro and cons from all

you are having both systems, and with your more than 30 years of experience... but still shoot like crap. i CERTAINLY suggest you to get POINT AND SHOOT camera to save money ;D

"like cars, there are better motors"... true... let say that you are giving a lamborghini to a normal person and a bmw to a real racer to race on public highway... who win? see how stup*d your statement is

note: this is a message from newbie... i think you DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ADMITTING YOUR CRAPPY SHOTS... you talk a lot but your skills are s*ck...

 

[J.R.]

More belaboring ... more childish behavior. I've come to expect that though!

I just wish the mods made the "ignore" module of the forum a bit better.

 

[MarcPool]

More belaboring ... more childish behavior. I've come to expect that though!

I just wish the mods made the "ignore" module of the forum a bit better.

+1000

 

[ishdakuteb]

If you have nothing new to offer!

I have had my own company since 1984
I think I have both the experience and knowledge so it is enough
working a lot in both USA/Canada and the rest of the world and got paid for my crappy shoots
and you?

good for you and since you are travel a lot for work, especially in U.S. also, i personally challenge you on photography techniques (a hobbyist who do not get paid with less than 2 years of experience in using slr v.s. a person get paid with almost 30 years of experience in slr)

with your experience, i expect you were shooting 35mm film a lot and your exposure must be greater than mine (yeah yeahh... just a thought only and i bet you wish). to be fair, i will cover my LCD VIEW with black tape, so yours during shoot out with different lightings... including using flash (direct, bounce, on camera)... and see who get better images... i am PRETTY SURE that i am not better than anyone in this forum but YOU, ANKORWATT)

getting paid does not you are taking good images... do not believe it, send me your 5 best images... i will ask a well known pro to critique your image... is that fair....

LET ME KNOW IF YOU TAKE THE CHALLENGE (thought that i have requested this for almost a year)

 

[J.R.]

If you have nothing new to offer!

I have had my own company since 1984
I think I have both the experience and knowledge so it is enough
working a lot in both USA/Canada and the rest of the world and got paid for my crappy shoots
and you?

good for you and since you are travel a lot for work, especially in U.S. also, i personally challenge you on photography techniques (a hobbyist who do not get paid with less than 2 years of experience in using slr v.s. a person get paid with almost 30 years of experience in slr)

with your experience, i expect you were shooting 35mm film a lot and your exposure must be greater than mine (yeah yeahh... just a thought only and i bet you wish). to be fair, i will cover my LCD VIEW with black tape, so yours during shoot out with different lightings... including using flash (direct, bounce, on camera)... and see who get better images... i am PRETTY SURE that i am not better than anyone in this forum but YOU, ANKORWATT)

getting paid does not you are taking good images... do not believe it, send me your 5 best images... i will ask a well known pro to critique your image... is that fair....

LET ME KNOW IF YOU TAKE THE CHALLENGE (thought that i have requested this for almost a year)

You should know a lost cause when you see one!

 

[ishdakuteb]

If you have nothing new to offer!

I have had my own company since 1984
I think I have both the experience and knowledge so it is enough
working a lot in both USA/Canada and the rest of the world and got paid for my crappy shoots
and you?

good for you and since you are travel a lot for work, especially in U.S. also, i personally challenge you on photography techniques (a hobbyist who do not get paid with less than 2 years of experience in using slr v.s. a person get paid with almost 30 years of experience in slr)

with your experience, i expect you were shooting 35mm film a lot and your exposure must be greater than mine (yeah yeahh... just a thought only and i bet you wish). to be fair, i will cover my LCD VIEW with black tape, so yours during shoot out with different lightings... including using flash (direct, bounce, on camera)... and see who get better images... i am PRETTY SURE that i am not better than anyone in this forum but YOU, ANKORWATT)

getting paid does not you are taking good images... do not believe it, send me your 5 best images... i will ask a well known pro to critique your image... is that fair....

LET ME KNOW IF YOU TAKE THE CHALLENGE (thought that i have requested this for almost a year)

You should know a lost cause when you see one!

affaid that i am loosing for him... no, i will not since i have benefit of getting correct exposure... one of which i have been learning and analyzing non-stop in the last 2 years (almost) after getting off from work, including weekend...

 

[Hill Benson]

Hey everyone.

I wanted to ask a newbie question about this new Magic Lantern Developed "DUAL ISO" tech.

Using this setting for stills, does it take more than one exposure and then combine them (like HDR) or does it only require one actuation of the shutter?

 

[tron]

It requires ONE actuation only. The resultant .CR2 file is processed via a program named cr2hdr.exe and produces a DNG file.