Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]

[Janco]

There is no room for a 2000$ FF: the 5dmk2 is already at this place.
Canon won't spend money (research, production lines, testing, advertizing...) and time to replace an award-winning, best-selling product such as the 5dmk2.

I think I read somewhere that 5DII will be discontinued from sometime around the end of 2012. Don't remember where I read it. But I think it was from an official source, interview or other information. Anyway then would be place for a entrylevel-FF around 2000$.

 

[pdirestajr]

My EOS Rebel G camera with a plastic mount and 3 focus points is "Full Frame" & can take L lenses!

I think Canon can easily make a full frame DSLR "entry level" if they want to.

I like how people act like a full frame 35mm sensor is the promise land, when in reality, it's just the old (small film) standard we're trying to get back to, and expect enlargements the size of billboards.

One day canon will make a full frame digital rebel and break boundaries- the same way they made the first affordable SLRs and first sub-1000 DSLRs.

 

[pdirestajr]

Another thing:

Why would Canon make a 4K Cinema-focused DSLR, a DSLR?

Why the need for the "R"? and optical viewfinder? Isn't the camera always going to be in live view with the mirror up?

Isn't that a waste of cost and space? If photography is secondary on that camera, I don't get the design.

And why the 1 series body with vertical grip? So odd.

Wouldn't it make more sense as a mirror less camera that had an articulating EVF, an ergonomics more like a small medium format camera?

 

[Nick Gombinsky]

That would bring about 4 new full frame cameras in the span of about a year if we include the coming 4K DSLR. Most assume that will be a full frame camera.

I don't think it will be full frame. It wouldn't make sense. Super35 format has a 24,89mm width, while the height varies according to the aspect ratio (1:78, 1:85, 2:35). Making it full frame would make it an odd size, and wouldn't be able to use most of the PL lenses, since they're built for that image circle.
This is why the 7D is more used for low-end pro filming than the 5D (at least here in Argentina, and that's what I do for a living), the sensor size resembles more S35 than a "full frame" one.
At most, it'll be APS-H, as the RED cameras, which crop down to actual S35 when recording video.

 

[nikkito]

well.... it makes sense
lots of megapixels + entry level camera

if you get what i mean ;D

 

[lol]

To those saying why do we need an new entry level full frame when we have the 5D2, I think the point is the 5D2 can't be around forever. It is time to move on.

And why entry level full frame? In the very long term mirrorless will eat away at the low end APS-C models. I think DSLRs will survive, but will be pushed higher end where current mirrorless systems have not gone, excluding the odd ball Leica anyway.

Spec wise, there is little for Canon to cut from a 5D3. It has to move on from the 5D2 otherwise there's no point, but you can't squeeze the 5D3 either.

The easy guesses would be on Digic 5. Limited to up to perhaps 4fps. Sensor derived/recycled from 1D X or 5D3 depending on how they want to play the numbers game. AF... would they go as low as keeping the 5D2 system? Or perhaps put in a 7D like system? Body style, somewhere between the 7D and 5D3. I can't see the 5D2 body kept, but they might not offer all the trimmings of the 5D3.

 

[Ricku]

A mirrorless is only interesting if it has a full frame sensor and great ISO performance.

I hope you read this, Canon.

 

[CanonCameraFan]

Possibly stills only ff model?

 

[Haydn1971]

Yay ! Here comes the 9D after all ;-)

I'm still thinking a crippled 18mpx FF sensor from the 1Dx, with crippled AF in a 5DIII body... Priced lower than the better spec AF and speed 7DII which would remain as crop and who knows what Mpx

 

[zim]

What’s CR2 - Mirrorless Announcement and/or New Full Frame? two new cameras, shouldn’t that be two separate CR2’s or maybe one mirrorless full frame EF!! Leica watch your back wohoo  If it’s a DSLR then forget the ‘entry level’ tag I still believe there is space for an amateur enthusiasts stills photographers FF, spec as 60D (9 cross-type AF points) lets call it a 6D

 

[D_Rochat]

Putting the term "entry level" aside, I think it's going to be a high MP body. I believe it will be almost a stripped down version of the 5D III for studio/landscape. Higher mp, improved metering, basic AF system, basic weather sealing, 3-4fps blah blah blah. I just don't think the term "entry level" belongs in the xD line. It would simply be another body with a specific use. This also continues to convince me that the 7D is being pushed to the xxD line. I know it's not a popular opinion with some, but it makes sense to me. Nothing wrong with a weather sealed 7D rebadged as a 70D.....

EDIT - I don't know why, but a release price of $2800 sticks in my head.

 

[Ricku]

I believe it will be almost a stripped down version of the 5D III for studio/landscape.

Well, then it will be very important that the camera can produce a wide amount of DR. Preferably as good as the D800 DR.

I dont think Canon has the tech for this right now.

 

[ruuneos]

Maybe 5DX with 30-50 megapixels for compete against Nikon's D800.

 

[Fandongo]

There is no room for a 2000$ FF: the 5dmk2 is already at this place.
Canon won't spend money (research, production lines, testing, advertizing...) and time to replace an award-winning, best-selling product such as the 5dmk2.

Next annoucements will be april and september, for june and november availabilities. Seems like a nice roadmap to me (Canon mirrorless for christmas, yay ;D). This will already be 4 major photography products (1D X, 5D3, 4K and mirrorless) in a single year.

I'm hoping for a mass megapixel FF and a sport-oriented APS-C (7D2 ?) announcements during Q1 2013.

People are reluctant to buy a 3.5 year old camera.

Testing?? Thanks to the internet, they have a willing supply of worthy testers... for free.
Research? They already developed the digic 5+/sensors/etc., it's just a question of price point.

Canon advertises stupidly... Didn't see t2i adverts until the t3i was out.
Speaking of stupidity, remember the 7d, t2i, t3i, and 60d?

Clearly they have no problem with redundancy... hell, they flaunt it.

An entry level FF $2k (+/- a few hundred) DSLR will sell.

 

[kalmiya]

A darn... I was finally thinking to go for the 5D II (entry level FF ^^) and now and rumor of a new entry level full-frame... darn - couldn't you have waited a month with that rumor ?

 

[V8Beast]

If an entry-level FF camera pans out, it would certainly explain why Canon priced the 5DIII at $3,500. It would make for a great backup body as well for those using a 5DIII as a primary body. Maybe this will be the mega-resolution FF body people are waiting for. It would make a lot of sense to pack it full of MP, regardless of whether or not it improves or degrades IQ, since it would have to lure those accustomed to getting 18 mp Rebel for $500.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

If I had to wager, a 5D3 minus the AF, frame rate and build quality. $1999 anyone?

The question would be why people should buy that instead of a second-hand 5D2.

I have a feeling that there is something missing from the story.

Yeah, I don't see the point. Well granted Canon makes nothing from second hand sales, but why not just continue the 5D2 then? (I guess because they don't want to have to keep making the old sensor and old digics)

I would try to go for a 32MP cam, with 2x2 C300-type sampled true 1920x1080 res video in a crop mode, same AF, same 6fps, same everything the 5D3 has, priced $3500 and drop 5D3 to $3000. Although there are issues with that as well at this point, that might kill 5D3 sales unless they dropped it too low in price and it's probably just not in the cards this time. Probably talking 5D4 (i bet it arrives in 2 years instead of 3.5 years).

 

[Stephen Melvin]

Hrm. How 'bout this?

5D Mk II build
7D autofocus unit
SD card only
36mp

With the same DiGIC chip in it, that puts it at 3.6 fps. The build quality is a big part of the expense of the Mk III, and the SD card makes it more "entry level."

 

[stabmasterasron]

Entry level FF? Maybe T4i? As someone else suggested, mirrorless will start to eat out the bottom end of the dslr market. So going upscale is the only place left for dslrs. No mirrorless system has a large sensor, yet.

It would be killer to see the 18mpix sensor from 1Dx in a T4i. Digic 5, 4fps (12 raw depth), ISO 6400, nice video functions. $1500 with kit lens.

The only question is are there enough Rebel buyers that are sophisticated enough to know the advantages that would be there for this kind of system. My guess is no. They look at the specs of this camera, see that it isn't a significant "number jump" from the T3i and see the extra cost - then jump ship to some mirrorless system.

So, do you make it the 70D?

 

[Aglet]

I think they've definitely left the door open for another FF body to replace the 5D2. And it'll have to be different enough to be compelling.

Give it a price tag around $2500-2700,
single Digic 5,
3 to 4 fps at full res of...
7680x5120. (39.3MP)
kitted with new, lower cost 24-105 IS zoom they patented last year.

Take some nice features off the 7D/5D3 but hobble it with another low-end AF system, maybe as good as the 7D's at best. Will make a great studio cam and will be able to do basic HD video with good IQ. Maybe 720p at 60fps.

Could work as a landscaper IF they can get past the pattern noise and bump the Dynamic Range up to better than the 5D3 - good luck with that if they stick with the tech they're using now. :-\

It'll be a below-the-belt blow to the D800 and maybe help satiate those of us heavily into Canon gear and thinking of moving over to the camera with the little red slash on its handgrip.

I'll be watching for it, patient and hopeful but with a pessimistic attitude born of continual disappointment.