New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]

[privatebydesign]

Canon are not in business to keep you guys happy, they are in business to keep their shareholders happy. Start thinking like that.

Actually it is exactly the other way round. At least for companies that want to be successful.

IF Canon wants to stay in business with me, they better think about what I want and how they keep ME happy. Otherwise I won't continue to buy from them. And the same goes for all their other customers too .. each single one of them. If they don't make 'em happy, they won 't have anything to make their shareholders happy down the line.

CUSTOMERS always come FIRST. 8)

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Oh you are so wrong, Canon don't care one jot about you or me as individuals, nor particularly for cameras in general, they only care about us as incidental individual contributors to market forces. If we, collectively, are not spending money on P&S's and entry level DSLR's, the cash cows from which all else is derived, then what are they to do, lament the good old days before cameras in phones and the film days when you needed a decent sized "sensor" to get any kind of image quality? Do the Sony thing of throwing any and everything out there with no consistency or system integrity at a huge loss? Go the Nikon route of trying to convince people they want something they clearly don't, stuff from which the consumer has clearly moved on. No, to protect their shareholders they are maneuvering their profit income to different product streams. We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

 

[AvTvM]

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

 

[AmbientLight]

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

Say, do you exist in some sort of distorted reality field?

Sony is not doing well financially, but at least they are fighting for corporate survival, Nikon is facing decline for years, while Canon is far more successful than any other camera or lens vendor.

Looks like you may want to morph yourself into a different customer, then.

 

[Loswr]

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

...and yet, people keep buying Canon products...and you keep whining and complaining. I think you're clever enough to figure out which of the two of you is succeeding, and who is failing.

 

[RLPhoto]

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

It's probably time better spent taking photos than complain about how supposedly another brand takes better photos.

 

[9VIII]

The video's title--A Tradition of Innovation

What an innovation THE 700D ;D ;D

Yes! Very innovative, Canon! From its very innovative start 71 years ago as unlicensed copycat maker of german camera designs ... all the way to 2013 with their greatest innovative triumph ever ... the Canon Digital Kiss ... all in white! ;D

Canon does not need a long, boring video showing off their "tradition of innovation". One picture tells the story:

(c) Tom Fishburne (c) http://tomfishburne.com/2012/10/cannibalize.html

While the 700D deserves everything it gets, don't forget everything Canon has done with glass in the last few years. Had I been shopping for a high end camera in 2009 I very well may have gone for the NIkon D700, Nikon glass was very competitive at the time. But that's not when I entered the market, from what I can see Canon has very little competition right now, their recent lenses mop the floor with the competition (at least on the long end, we'll see what happens with the short end next year).

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

If you're looking for a nice walk-around camera, sure, switching to a different company might be easy. If you want anything more specific out of your camera the number of options falls quickly, pretty much right down to 2. Compact system manufacturers simply don't have the lenses, and as I pointed out above, the nearest competitor has some catching up to do. I'm confident Canon's lens line-up can carry them for quite a while when it comes to the high end market. The real problem is cell phones.

 

[jrista]

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

AvTvM has just become a megatroll, people. He lost the battle in the last couple of threads, officially bailed out on Canon as he moved to his wonderful new Sony and the A7r. It's his time, now, to leave these shores in search of new lands.

As with all trolls, don't touch it...don't feed it...don't SPEAK to it...and it will go away. Of course, megatrolls have an even greater appetite for touching and feeding and chitchat, so I understand it's that much harder to resist. BUT, if you want the troll to slither away to new feeding grounds, stand your ground!! :

 

[eml58]

Not exactly. CustomerS come first. In aggregate. Canon needs to keep a majority of the user base 'happy', or at least buying - that is one way to deliver value to shareholders. They've clearly demonstrated the ability to do that. If your particular wants/needs coincide with those of the majority, well and good. If not, as is clearly the case for you, then Canon doesn't really give a CRAP about YOU.

Yes, it's a Sad truth, must be horrible for some to wake up with the realisation that one of the largest Corporates on the Planet just doesn't know who you are. Canon like many other Companies that sell a Product, sell to the Mass Market, it's very much a case of "You can't keep all of the People Happy all of the time, but we can keep most of the People Happy most of the Time".

Except AvTvM

 

[jrista]

Not exactly. CustomerS come first. In aggregate. Canon needs to keep a majority of the user base 'happy', or at least buying - that is one way to deliver value to shareholders. They've clearly demonstrated the ability to do that. If your particular wants/needs coincide with those of the majority, well and good. If not, as is clearly the case for you, then Canon doesn't really give a CRAP about YOU.

Yes, it's a Sad truth, must be horrible for some to wake up with the realisation that one of the largest Corporates on the Planet just doesn't know who you are. Canon like many other Companies that sell a Product, sell to the Mass Market, it's very much a case of "You can't keep all of the People Happy all of the time, but we can keep most of the People Happy most of the Time".

That's good business, though. Any business that tries to cater to each specific individual is doomed to fail. It isn't even something any company should ever strive to do (which is probably why so many governments are bloated and financially strapped these days, as that's exactly what they try to do, and are epically failing at it.) Good business is finding a sweet spot and exploiting it as long as you can. There isn't going to be some sudden, overnight, rapid shift to mirrorless, so Canon has plenty of time to figure out their plans for moving into the market and exploiting it the same way.

It's a harsh word, exploit, and we customers and consumers certainly don't like to be exploited. But if you think about it...look at what the likes of Canon and Nikon over the last 15 years have done for the photographic art. Look at how much image quality has skyrocketed, and how accessible that kind of image quality is now. I mean, while in the film days a camera might not have been as expensive initially, you had the perpetual cost of buying film, developing it, and getting photographic prints made. That ongoing cost kept high quality photography out of the hands of your average joe. Today is an entirely different world...thanks to companies like Canon and Nikon.

While I don't necessarily have EXACTLY the camera I PERSONALLY want with all the specific features I need at the price point I can afford...the equipment Canon does offer gives me more than enough capability to produce good photographic art. If I didn't know better, I might actually feel sad for the person who is on a never-ending quest to find that 100% perfect camera, and is willing to dump brand after brand, kit after kit, in order to find it. And, once they have finally found it, will just have to give it up again once the next big competitor on the market develops something else new, and trounces their wonderfully new found "perfect" camera. I find such an endeavor to be naive and wasteful, and a very explicit choice, so I don't feel sad for such people.

Except AvTvM

Good thing he ain't a majority, then, eh?

 

[Roo]

IF Canon wants to stay in business with me, they better think about what I want and how they keep ME happy.

If Canon was a car company and only listened to you I'm sure this is what we would be inflicted with...

Thank god they know how to make cameras to suit the majority and run a business successfully. ;D

 

[AmbientLight]

IF Canon wants to stay in business with me, they better think about what I want and how they keep ME happy.

If Canon was a car company and only listened to you I'm sure this is what we would be inflicted with...

Thank god they know how to make cameras to suit the majority and run a business successfully. ;D

;D ;D ;D

Oh, great. Is this a beer can holder on the outside of the driver's door or am I imagining things?

 

[Eldar]

All businesses that succeed over time have a healthy balance between shareholders, employees and customers. Canon would not have been able to build the position they have without that. They have to make money to make the shareholders happy, they need to provide interesting and challenging workplaces to attract the best talent and they need to deliver products and services that tick the right motivation amongst the customer base.
There is always a danger that a company can fall asleep and be too complacent with what they have. DEC, Kodak, NCR, Nokia ... there are lots of examples of companies with a leading position being leap jumped by new technology and more aggressive competitors. Canon need to solve their sensor challenges, to keep us still photographers happy, which I’m sure they will. But apart from that, within this segment, I don’t see them having serious problems.
I am currently sitting in front of a 130x90cm2 print of a landscape, shot with the 5DIII and the 24-70 f2.8L II, and wonder; What more do I need?

 

[Don Haines]

IF Canon wants to stay in business with me, they better think about what I want and how they keep ME happy.

If Canon was a car company and only listened to you I'm sure this is what we would be inflicted with...

Thank god they know how to make cameras to suit the majority and run a business successfully. ;D

;D ;D ;D

Oh, great. Is this a beer can holder on the outside of the driver's door or am I imagining things?

Nope, that's a truck mirror.... but it does have cup holders that hold those giant sized drinks..... and 3 horn buttons because you can never find the horn when you are really angry

 

[jrista]

I am currently sitting in front of a 130x90cm2 print of a landscape, shot with the 5DIII and the 24-70 f2.8L II, and wonder; What more do I need?

A 260x180cm print of a landscape! ;P

 

[Diko]

While the 700D deserves everything it gets, don't forget everything Canon has done with glass in the last few years. Had I been shopping for a high end camera in 2009 I very well may have gone for the NIkon D700, Nikon glass was very competitive at the time. But that's not when I entered the market, from what I can see Canon has very little competition right now, their recent lenses mop the floor with the competition (at least on the long end, we'll see what happens with the short end next year).
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If you're looking for a nice walk-around camera, sure, switching to a different company might be easy. If you want anything more specific out of your camera the number of options falls quickly, pretty much right down to 2. Compact system manufacturers simply don't have the lenses, and as I pointed out above, the nearest competitor has some catching up to do. I'm confident Canon's lens line-up can carry them for quite a while when it comes to the high end market. The real problem is cell phones.

We are on the same line here. It is CANON's leverage to its leadership's position in its amateur/pro line.

The fact is that everyone here are kind of either trying to explain me what the obvious situation here is. Or the one with customerS & CANON's shareholders' happiness goals.

Does anyone realize that the majority of efforts here are on explaining to 2-3 individuals how we are wrong to want more and should accomodate our wish lists according to the majority of people?

When one reads this whole topic, he/she would stay with the impression that everyone's happy with CANONs doings...

For GOD's sake, wake up people! This is a RUMOR site. NOT a final TECH SPECs listing place. Stop speaking obvious facts that we all know.

Better concentrate on what you WANT!
Not on EXPLAINING Canon's reasoning.

If I were from CANON's marketing dep. and read this here (and someone of you definitely is, even if as a guest) I would report that people around here acknowledge this and that issue... but are pretty, pretty happy - ergo could put the solution's R&D on this and that on a lower priority level for now.

It depends on us that CANON doesn't sleep )))

And don't forget that you are:

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I am sorry for the pathos but got in the mood, because of that MEGATROLL pic, which is hilarious! I laughed for a while quite a bit.

I have read a few quite good examples of trolling here, but alongside every once in a while maybe you are missing some good points. ;-)

 

[eml58]

I have read a few quite good examples of trolling here, but alongside every once in a while maybe you are missing some good points. ;-)

Diko, you may well be right, but it's a two way street, it may just be that your the one missing the point.

There's nothing wrong with having a wish list, I have several, I just don't expect that a Company like Canon/Nikon/Sony is going to give much thought to it, but that doesn't stop me living in hope and believing that all these Companies sooner or later end up at the same point, some sooner, some later, but they all end up with very similar pieces of Tech & equipment for the same Market, it's called good business.

Just pick one, large choice, buy the gear, enjoy.

Don't keep looking over your shoulder at what everyone else is doing, just leads back to CR and Posts of discontent.

And if that Green Machine has an Option to install a Canon, I'm in faster than greased lightning.

 

[scottkinfw]

Is there perhaps a Sony Rumors Site that is a happy place for you?

We, the declining stills orientated market, are fortunate that the ideas they are moving towards are somewhat complimentary to our own "needs" for still based equipment, so far.

The customer only comes first if the company can sell the stuff they make and give their shareholders a reasonable return. If they can't they will try to find other customers, not different shareholders.

hehehe! Quite funny. Next suggestion will probably be to kneel down and beg to Canon "please, please give me a new stills-oriented camera." :

no way!

In reality it is way easier for (almost all of) Canon's customers to turn around and find another supplier of excellent image capturing gear than it is for Canon to find "new customers" willing to pay inflated prices for fairly un-innovative products.

 

[globalphotobank]

Certain indications point to 40-45 MP with dual ISO. Upgrades to their Cinema line point to higher upgrades in hardware and firmware in new models. Dual sensors two sizes in one, two processors combining to cover 8K resolution and 3D with dual pixels, auto phase and contrast detect with dual ISO. Will be kind of hard to beat. Betting though everything in focus is their goal with a function to blur what you want around subject, and more creative filters. So everything is in focus, you could zoooooom way, way out and its perfect in focus like the Canon Wonder Cam. Next line of labeling Canon DC a1/ DUAL CAM advance 1. two sensors possible two different sizes. Sony is useing dual sensors and is Apple in their next phones. Dual lenses would be a heck of a killer a 12mm and a 100mm

 

[jrista]

Certain indications point to 40-45 MP with dual ISO. Upgrades to their Cinema line point to higher upgrades in hardware and firmware in new models. Dual sensors two sizes in one, two processors combining to cover 8K resolution and 3D with dual pixels, auto phase and contrast detect with dual ISO. Will be kind of hard to beat. Betting though everything in focus is their goal with a function to blur what you want around subject, and more creative filters. So everything is in focus, you could zoooooom way, way out and its perfect in focus like the Canon Wonder Cam. Next line of labeling Canon DC a1/ DUAL CAM advance 1. two sensors possible two different sizes. Sony is useing dual sensors and is Apple in their next phones. Dual lenses would be a heck of a killer a 12mm and a 100mm

Assuming this post isn't some kind of joke...

Dual ISO won't happen. That is a ML discovery of a happy quirk in the design of Canon's readout system. There is no telling that Canon will use the same system in future bodies, and in fact, I personally hope they don't...the downstream amplifier and the use of a downstream, off-die ADC is a significant part of the reason why their low ISO read noise is so bad. Canon really needs to develop a modern sensor, with on-die ADC, and preferably digital readout...at which point, Dual ISO wouldn't even be an option, since there would be no need for the downstream amplifier.

I'd figure the chances of Canon actually employing MLs Dual ISO discovery are so vanishingly small, they barely qualify as a mathematic point.

I also don't see Canon employing any kind of light field technology any time soon. For one, Canon always develops their own technology, while light field technology is currently owned by someone else. Lytro's cameras have a LONG ways to go before light field even really becomes a generally viable technology as well, and I don't see them selling the technology any time soon.

 

[CarlTN]

Certain indications point to 40-45 MP with dual ISO. Upgrades to their Cinema line point to higher upgrades in hardware and firmware in new models. Dual sensors two sizes in one, two processors combining to cover 8K resolution and 3D with dual pixels, auto phase and contrast detect with dual ISO. Will be kind of hard to beat. Betting though everything in focus is their goal with a function to blur what you want around subject, and more creative filters. So everything is in focus, you could zoooooom way, way out and its perfect in focus like the Canon Wonder Cam. Next line of labeling Canon DC a1/ DUAL CAM advance 1. two sensors possible two different sizes. Sony is useing dual sensors and is Apple in their next phones. Dual lenses would be a heck of a killer a 12mm and a 100mm

Assuming this post isn't some kind of joke...

Dual ISO won't happen. That is a ML discovery of a happy quirk in the design of Canon's readout system. There is no telling that Canon will use the same system in future bodies, and in fact, I personally hope they don't...the downstream amplifier and the use of a downstream, off-die ADC is a significant part of the reason why their low ISO read noise is so bad. Canon really needs to develop a modern sensor, with on-die ADC, and preferably digital readout...at which point, Dual ISO wouldn't even be an option, since there would be no need for the downstream amplifier.

I'd figure the chances of Canon actually employing MLs Dual ISO discovery are so vanishingly small, they barely qualify as a mathematic point.

I also don't see Canon employing any kind of light field technology any time soon. For one, Canon always develops their own technology, while light field technology is currently owned by someone else. Lytro's cameras have a LONG ways to go before light field even really becomes a generally viable technology as well, and I don't see them selling the technology any time soon.

Hate to agree, but have to. Regarding Lytro...it's a gimmick designed by a college professor, and not much else. I wonder if his patent is even licensed to him, or is it licensed to his school? If the school owns the patent, where do the profits go? Also appreciate you pointing out that dual ISO is a bandaid that takes advantage of Canon's flawed (or at the very least, inferior) sensor design approach.

This does put a lot of pressure on Canon for that 2014 1-series body to use sensor tech that starts to head back in the right direction.

Globalphotobank, in my opinion serious photographers don't often have a use for selective focus and artificially blurred backgrounds, especially around subject matter (and especially if it's applied like a vignette or a grad filter). Talk about bandaids, that's basically a cheap software trick that anyone can do on any digital photograph in post processing. The results are quite silly...again in my opinion of course! I suppose there's a good use for it, but I don't know of it.