New Sensor Technology Coming From Canon? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<div name="googleone_share_1" style="position:relative;z-index:5;float: right; /*margin: 70px 0 0 0;*/ top:70px; right:120px; width:0;"><g:plusone size="tall" count="1" href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/04/new-sensor-technology-coming-from-canon-cr1/"></g:plusone></div><div style="float: right; margin:0 0 70px 70px;"><a href="https://twitter.com/share" class="twitter-share-button" data-count="vertical" data-url="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/04/new-sensor-technology-coming-from-canon-cr1/">Tweet</a></div>
<p>We’re told by a new source that a new generation of full-frame CMOS sensors slated for both a forthcoming mirrorless camera as well as updated versions of the current range of prosumer DLSR models.</p>
<p>The new full frame sensors are said to have lower production costs. Yields have improved for these sensors when compared to their predecessors, and that has probably lead to the cost reduction in production. There was also a bit of information about the new sensors having Foveon like technology, we’ve asked for clarification on this.</p>
<p>New source, so a big grain of salt for this one is required.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[pierlux]

Finally an interesting rumor! Too bad it's only CR1... Hoping there's more to come on this!

 

[1Zach1]

Not sure this can even be answered yet but if Canon came out with a full frame EOS-M version, would they need to change to a new lens mount as well? Could the EF-M still be used?

 

[lycan]

I think this long absence of interesting new products from Canon means that they are making something groundbreaking. Better than us they know that their sensors are outdated

 

[Zv]

Not sure this can even be answered yet but if Canon came out with a full frame EOS-M version, would they need to change to a new lens mount as well? Could the EF-M still be used?

EF- M mount can't be used for FF unfortunately. Too small. Likely they'd create a mirrorless camera with the regular EF mount instead.

 

[simonxu11]

Too many CR1s on this site

 

[pierlux]

I think this long absence of interesting new products from Canon means that they are making something groundbreaking.

Agreed, though the recent DPAF is an interesting new product to my eye.

Better than us they know that their sensors are outdated

Yet still competing with Sony's, and doing even better in some aspects at high ISOs.

I'm hoping it's not only a matter of cost and yield, though welcome. The Foveon-like thingy is intriguing, indeed...

 

[CTJohn]

Too many CR1s on this site

Agree. This has been a really boring period of time.

 

[Maximilian]

Is it April Fool's Day? No!
But I almost feel like, reading this rumor.

Too much contradictions in it.
Especially the FF mirrorless. :
Foveon like technology and cheaper? Hard to believe.
And just making the sensor cheaper means increasing Canons profit because this will not show in sales price.

So I am about to carry my bucket of salt back home.

 

[dstppy]

Hah? How is this been a boring period of time? You can GO OUT and BUY a 70D, 5Dmk3 or 1Dx

Maybe it's boring because we've got great options.

Besides, we haven't heard the REAL details of this rumor yet . . . will it be available in a white body? ;D

 

[Loswr]

This new sensor plus the 100-400 II... Look out, unicorns – we will finally be able to take your picture!

 

[jebrady03]

<div name="googleone_share_1" style="position:relative;z-index:5;float: right; /*margin: 70px 0 0 0;*/ top:70px; right:120px; width:0;"><glusone size="tall" count="1" href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/04/new-sensor-technology-coming-from-canon-cr1/"></glusone></div><div style="float: right; margin:0 0 70px 70px;"><a href="https://twitter.com/share" class="twitter-share-button" data-count="vertical" data-url="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/04/new-sensor-technology-coming-from-canon-cr1/">Tweet</a></div>
<p>We’re told by a new source that a new generation of full-frame CMOS sensors slated for both a forthcoming mirrorless camera as well as updated versions of the current range of prosumer DLSR models.</p>
<p>The new full frame sensors are said to have lower production costs. Yields have improved for these sensors when compared to their predecessors, and that has probably lead to the cost reduction in production. There was also a bit of information about the new sensors having Foveon like technology, we’ve asked for clarification on this.</p>
<p>TALK OF NEW SENSORS, so a big grain of salt for this one is required.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

There, fixed it for you! ;-)

Kidding! I, for one, don't have a problem with Canon sensors.

 

[Dylan777]

FF mirrorless + 3-4 pancake lenses to start with: 35,50, 85, and 18mm

 

[AvTvM]

This new sensor plus the 100-400 II... Look out, unicorns – we will finally be able to take your picture!

OH YES!
Especially if the rumored sensor is any good and does come in a really nice non-mirrorslappin' body. ;D 8)

 

[Don Haines]

Well there you go! The reason the 7D2 has been delayed so long is that it will be a full frame mirrorless dual pixel quad pixel fovenon big megapixel camera with a 1DX build in an EOS-M package.... that will shoot at ISO 819,200 and take 8K video.....

 

[bereninga]

FF mirrorless + 3-4 pancake lenses to start with: 35,50, 85, and 18mm

Omg, this would be ridiculously amazing.

 

[Loswr]

Well there you go! The reason the 7D2 has been delayed so long is that it will be a full frame mirrorless dual pixel quad pixel fovenon big megapixel camera with a 1DX build in an EOS-M package.... that will shoot at ISO 819,200 and take 8K video.....

…and cost $1399.

 

[sanj]

Hallelujah

 

[whothafunk]

…and cost $1399.

ok, now you're just being silly.

 

[traveller]

Not sure this can even be answered yet but if Canon came out with a full frame EOS-M version, would they need to change to a new lens mount as well? Could the EF-M still be used?

EF- M mount can't be used for FF unfortunately. Too small. Likely they'd create a mirrorless camera with the regular EF mount instead.

This is widely stated, but I can't see that the EF-M mount is much different in dimensions to the Sony E mount; I know that E mount is tight for full frame, but it is still possible. I'm struggling to find the technical specifications, but here's a comparison (assuming the scaling is correct) -measure for yourself:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#487,351,325,466,459,ha,f

EF-M is pretty similar to E-mount in its internal diameter and a bit larger than either X-mount or micro 4/3rds. We also know that the flange back distance is the same as E-mount (18mm, vs 44mm for regular EF).

I'm not saying that this proves EF-M is compatible with full frame sensors, nor that Canon would have any near term plans to produce a full frame mirrorless camera if it were, but it would be a bit strange if they happened to make it so similar in size to E-mount and it not be FF capable. They must have had some idea that Sony were interested in making a FF E-mount camera. I believe that FF probably is possible with EF-M mount, if nothing else then to cover that base for the future. Of course, Canon would never admit that now whilst it is still trying to push their FF DSLRs!

As for a mirrorless camera with an EF mount: it's possible but not with a reduced flange back distance, or they'd create all sorts of lens compatibility confusion!