New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]

[Click]

Sweetness. 440RT would be a nice addition to rid us of the ancient IR triggering tech.

+1

I'm also looking forward to that.

 

[Marsu42]

I think Canon will NOT price the 4X0RT low enough that too many will be inclined to settle for that instead of another 600 (especially if refurbished).

On the other hand, their latest releases (70d, 16-35L-IS) were rather reasonably priced - so you never know, even with Canon

 

[unfocused]

Wouldn't it be something if this new flash was being rolled out as one that could be controlled by a built-in radio wireless system in the new 7D? Yes, I know I'm reaching and just kidding. At least, I hope that's not what it'll be cause I'd be too jealous.

I think the regulatory environment makes a built-in radio transmitter for the 7d unlikely. They would need different models for countries that don't allow radio transmitters.

 

[sagittariansrock]

I think Canon will NOT price the 4X0RT low enough that too many will be inclined to settle for that instead of another 600 (especially if refurbished).

On the other hand, their latest releases (70d, 16-35L-IS) were rather reasonably priced - so you never know, even with Canon

hush! they will hear us!

 

[zlatko]

I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT. The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation. When holding the camera in vertical position, the head will only rotate 90 degrees straight upward. This means you can't angle it a bit backwards as you can with the 600EX-RT. Likewise, when holding the camera in horizontal position, you can only turn the flash head 90 degrees to the right (although you can turn it 180 degrees to the left). This makes the 430EX much less useful for me.

 

[Marsu42]

I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT. The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation.

There are only so many things how you can cripple a flash so people who don't need the "pro" features like ext. power supply and fast recycle time still can be upsold to the most expensive model. Imho Canon won't change a running system, and the extended flexibility of the head is one of the things that appeals to everyone.

The other thing the "small" flash probably won't have is the great 600rt usabilty simply because the flash is smaller, so if using one on-hotshoe or on-bracket flash the 600rt will still be better unless you perfer the in-camera menu (if you manage to find it).

 

[CTJohn]

It would be nice if Canon finally implemented touch controls and a menu that didn't necessitate reading the manual every time I use the flash (and I have 2 430EXII's.)

 

[Etienne]

Let me rephrase that- how much cheaper will Canon be willing to price the 4X0RT anyway? (considering Canon's general inclination towards R&D roi and profit)

You don't want to hear my answer, I'm Mr. "Canon is too greedy" around here. Though I have to admit the 600rt is a very good piece of equipment, they have to get back their r&d investment and Yongnuo just showed us how not to do it with the terrible st-e3 transmitter clone.

People seem to love the YongNuo transmitter ... and it has a built in focus assist light

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there? It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in. The 600 really really should have that!!! so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there. Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT. The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation.

There are only so many things how you can cripple a flash so people who don't need the "pro" features like ext. power supply and fast recycle time still can be upsold to the most expensive model. Imho Canon won't change a running system, and the extended flexibility of the head is one of the things that appeals to everyone.

The other thing the "small" flash probably won't have is the great 600rt usabilty simply because the flash is smaller, so if using one on-hotshoe or on-bracket flash the 600rt will still be better unless you perfer the in-camera menu (if you manage to find it).

odd thing about that is recycle time wasn't really gimped on the 430's - smaller flash, less power = faster recycle. I found my 430's faster at recycle than either my 580's or my 600's.

Unfortunately, brand new upon release these will not be my beater flashes! But, I may snag a few more 430's because the price of those will surely drop.

 

[privatebydesign]

Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there? It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in. The 600 really really should have that!!! so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there. Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????

I'm not bugged by it. I have a very efficient battery management regime and I just don't have battery issues. I always have recharged Eneloops in the flash whenever it leaves home and I have a full second set also freshly topped up in the bag. I very rarely have to change batteries in the field, very rarely.

Maybe others fire their flashes much more than me but I don't even use battery packs, though if I did run into charge issues regularly that is what I'd want more than a level indicator.

 

[distant.star]

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Yep, battery charge indicator would be useful.

I suspect if Canon were truthful, they'd tell you that recycle time is the de facto battery indicator.

An overheat warning might also be helpful to avoid damaging the flash.

Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there? It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in. The 600 really really should have that!!! so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there. Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????

 

[Marsu42]

Yep, battery charge indicator would be useful. I suspect if Canon were truthful, they'd tell you that recycle time is the de facto battery indicator.

I have absolutely no clue why there is no battery meter - probably a technical problem because the power flux is so dynamic it's hard to get a good reading on the charge (and because all batteries have different discharge curves)?

Btw Canon *does* say the recycle time is the battery meter, as far as I remember it's there in the manual in the cfn description to show the slave "charge ready" status either by the red blinky or just the small light on the back.

An overheat warning might also be helpful to avoid damaging the flash.

Um, the flash get disabled if it's running too hot, doesn't it?

 

[Joe M]

Wouldn't it be something if this new flash was being rolled out as one that could be controlled by a built-in radio wireless system in the new 7D? Yes, I know I'm reaching and just kidding. At least, I hope that's not what it'll be cause I'd be too jealous.

I think the regulatory environment makes a built-in radio transmitter for the 7d unlikely. They would need different models for countries that don't allow radio transmitters.

Very true. It was just a whimsical thought though as personally I can't see much reason to update the 400 series other than to give it RT and then wouldn't the price point be too close to the 600? Like all rumours, guess we'll just have to wait till it hits the shelves.

 

[Joe M]

Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there? It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in. The 600 really really should have that!!! so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there. Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????

Yes please, good point Chuck! I'll take that too. To take the point further though, I don't understand why Canon doesn't give us a dedicated battery for the flash. It could then be chipped like the body batteries and you'd always know how much power is left and what shape the battery is in. I can understand the old "it's versatile cause you can buy AA batteries anywhere" but that is so 1960s thinking. Everything has dedicated batteries so why not our flashes? And if one big battery could be made "Eneloop style", it'd probably pump out more power than a quad of AAs.
Enough with fumbling with a pile of AA batteries I say.

 

[deleteme]

A fat Li-on battery like the Ving 850 would make sense.

 

[distant.star]

Um, the flash get disabled if it's running too hot, doesn't it?

Um, from a Canon flash user guide:

"Do not fire the modeling flash more than 10 consecutive times. If you fire the modeling flash 10 consecutive times, allow the Speedlite to rest for at least 10 min. to avoid overheating and damaging the flash head." Emphasis mine.

 

[privatebydesign]

Um, the flash get disabled if it's running too hot, doesn't it?

Um, from a Canon flash user guide:

"Do not fire the modeling flash more than 10 consecutive times. If you fire the modeling flash 10 consecutive times, allow the Speedlite to rest for at least 10 min. to avoid overheating and damaging the flash head." Emphasis mine.

The 600 can do around 40 full power pops with a pack in around 2 mins before the screen glows red, the warning sign to slow down, then it locks.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=600ex%20rt%20overheating&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDMQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQOKCZ3FZBwo&ei=8-rHU4KrHca58gGtyoCwBg&usg=AFQjCNHkjXqtHEfuCIfi0WZtDfQsn4lOkA&bvm=bv.71198958,d.b2U

 

[deleteme]

I live in the desert and it gets hot outside (surprise). I was shooting with fill recently in the sun and the flash shut down from overheating due in large part (IMO) to the elevated ambient temp.
Fortunately I do not have to do this much.

 

[Hannes]

Wouldn't it be something if this new flash was being rolled out as one that could be controlled by a built-in radio wireless system in the new 7D? Yes, I know I'm reaching and just kidding. At least, I hope that's not what it'll be cause I'd be too jealous.

I think the regulatory environment makes a built-in radio transmitter for the 7d unlikely. They would need different models for countries that don't allow radio transmitters.

They already do for the 6D so why not?