Possibility of EOS M Announcement at CP+? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re told that there is a strong possibility that we’ll see some kind of an EOS M announcement for CP+ next month in Tokyo. The show runs from February 25, 2016 until February 28, 2016. The source said if there is an announcement for the show, it’ll be for the “prosumer” EOS M camera. No specifications were given for such a camera.</p>
<p>We’re told that it’s even more likely is that we’ll see multiple EF-M lens announcements for CP+.</p>
<p>There’s a buzz out there that Canon will make a big splash at this show, as we’re also expecting that the EOS-1D X Mark II will make an appearance.</p>
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[dppaskewitz]

Silly me. I already have two M prosumer models. Where is the real one?

 

[scrup]

Is this even worthy of a post? No specs or anything. Need some new sources if you want to keep visitors returning.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon originally claimed to have designed the "M" for the Japanese market, so it makes sense to announce it at CP+.

Although it seems to be a fairly good camera, the lack of ability to tether it to my PC and operate it for product photography stopped me from buying one when they were almost gave them away. It would be nice to see one with most of the features that even a entry level DSLR has.

 

[brad-man]

;D

 

[rrcphoto]

<p>We’re told that there is a strong possibility that we’ll see some kind of an EOS M announcement for CP+ next month in Tokyo. The show runs from February 25, 2016 until February 28, 2016. The source said if there is an announcement for the show, it’ll be for the “prosumer” EOS M camera. No specifications were given for such a camera.</p>
<p>We’re told that it’s even more likely is that we’ll see multiple EF-M lens announcements for CP+.</p>
<p>There’s a buzz out there that Canon will make a big splash at this show, as we’re also expecting that the EOS-1D X Mark II will make an appearance.</p>
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doesn't surprise me at all.

Canon Japan's head honcho a year ago stated they wanted to be #1 domestically for mirrorless by the end of 2016.

So canon's going to have to do a splash. CP+ makes perfect sense for the Japan marketplace.

however that market is also dominated by bargain basement cameras - so anyone expecting a full frame mirrorless that doesn't sell worth dog___ in japan .. don't hold your breath.

I'm thinking a G5x like EOS-M .. EVF + fully articulated screen, maybe the 70D sensor (I really detest the 24MP one that is in the M3) which would make the powershot and the EOS-M lineup pretty well match up.

G9x - M10
G7x - M3
G5x - ??

the lenses could be interesting though. I'd expect at least a 50mm and hopefully a macro. I'd really like a compact 18-125mm or even a 15-85mm.

 

[jebrady03]

Canon will have to do something pretty spectacular and at a reasonable price to get me to jump on board. I owned the M (twice, actually) and it just didn't do it for me.

 

[AvTvM]

A higher end EOS M body is most urgently needed. It better be fully competitive with upcoming Sony A6100 ... Sensor, AF capabilities, top-notch EVF built-in (same as in G5X would be OK), higher capacity battery, RT wireless flash transmitter built in, EOS user interface and firmware, not powershot toy store. Price not higher than 70D and I'll buy one.

As far as lenses go, EF-M is great already. Really, very compact and very affordable. Nothing else needed, except a short moderately fast portrait tele - EF-M 85/2.4 IS STM or so. 50 not needed, EF 40/2.8 STM and 50/1.8 STM perform very well.

 

[MadHungarian]

Presumably this is why the SL2 may have disappeared? The EOS-M camp in Canon won out in internal political battles with the SL1 camp? The problem is that I doubt even Canon has enough resources to adequately support three different lens families.

 

[cellomaster27]

I almost snatched the m3 for 149 or whatever ridiculous price. but beyond that, it's not a camera that people want to buy with all the other options out there. namely those on this forum. I'm surprised that the m has survived so far.. it must be a brand thing. has to be, at this point. lucky for Canon and not so for the consumer. hope to see a competitive model (specs and pricing) soon

 

[preppyak]

What would be really nice, 4K. And, if launched alongside the 1DX II, considering Nikon just did 4K on the D500; they might do 4K on a prosumer EOS M.

1K (or less) for an APS-C 4K Mirrorless would be a true GH4 killer, especially if Canon can do an on chip A/D conversion for higher DR, and, if they can do better than 8-bit spec for it.

Seeing as Canon hasnt put 4k in any interchangeable lens camera below the $5k price point, I can hardly see them doing that with a <$1k camera. UNless they are putting 4k in every camera they release from here on out...

And the notion that any M camera would be a GH4 killer is laughable. Will it have S-log. Will it have the ability to output SDI? Will Canon support it with a whole new line of accessories?

Panasonic has built up goodwill over a few years in the cine market; first with the GH2 hacks, then he GH3 and then GH4. They took innovation by a 3rd party, upped their game to beat it, then upped their game again to shock people with 4k at that price point. What has Canon done for the prosumer cine market? Kept delivering the same garbage codec that makes 1080 look soft. Took forever to deliver 1080/60. All while Magic Lantern showed they could have matched Panasonic all along (or beat them)

 

[ashmadux]

I'm thinking a G5x like EOS-M .. EVF + fully articulated screen, maybe the 70D sensor (I really detest the 24MP one that is in the M3) which would make the powershot and the EOS-M lineup pretty well match up.

THIS THIS THIS. G5 form factor rocks, and if that can get an asp-c sensor, im so in.

Also, yeah, the 24mp sensor in the m3- which im poised to return - is a super grainy non upgrade from previous sensors. SO far, NOT impressed at all.

Think ill return the m3 and buy a einstein.

ps- luv the g5.

 

[HaroldC3]

And when they do come out with it and charge $899, everyone will complain that they can get the a6000 for half the price.

 

[Woody]

I want to see an EF-M 35 f/1.4 lens before I decide if Canon's prosumer EOS-M is worth investing in.

 

[eosuser1234]

I expect to see a full frame mirrorless, with EF-M Native mount. When used with EF-M Lenses, or EF-S lenses via converter, the camera will automatically crop to APS-C. When used with the EF-M to EF converter and EF lenses the camera then uses the whole sensor. 4k video, electronic shutter with flash syncing to 1/500. A whole lot of AF points, and class leading focusing speed. They are probably looking to compete with Sony in Japan, not Panasonic. By showing people that their system is better than anything m4/3, they can make people buy up into EF-M and EF systems, or use their existing EF lenses. Its not just about 4k to Canon, but more about getting people away from buying into the m4/3 system. The camera will be pricey, but expect 800 dollar cheaper than comparable Sony mirrorless.

 

[AvTvM]

I'd like to get one, but do not see a FF MILC system from Canon in the near future. Not enough suffering yet for their FF DSLRs. Such a launch would also be preceded by a lot of advance noise & rumors beforehand, during testing of various prototypes by quite a number of Canon associated pros/ambassadors.

At CP we'll hopefully get an EOS M4 "Pro" body. Of course with APS-C sensor. At best it will be roughly on par with upcoming Sony A6100. At worst it will not even be fully on par with 3 year old Sony A6000.
* Built-in EVF (like G5X) - yes
* Improved AF system - yes. How much better? Unknown. New version DP-AF that finally delivers some speed ?
* better sensor than M3 - yes. at the very best the one in 7D II
* 4k? Don't think so.

As far as "new EF-M" lenses go ... no idea. Are they really going to bring that EF-M 55-300mm f/4.5-6.3 DO IS patent? If not, it might be a 60/2.8 or f/3.5 Macro lens. Or a 18-135/3.5-5.6 or 18-200/4.5-6.3 zoom.

 

[nhz]

Presumably this is why the SL2 may have disappeared? The EOS-M camp in Canon won out in internal political battles with the SL1 camp? The problem is that I doubt even Canon has enough resources to adequately support three different lens families.

I don't think so ... the SL2 uses the same lenses as the Rebel, xxD and 7D2 cameras and I don't see these being discontinued in the near future.

However, some extra EF-S lenses would not hurt. Support for brighter WA zooms or primes is still very minimal (much the same as for Nikon DX cameras) and they could also use a longer lens with quality optics above the 55-250STM.

 

[jebrady03]

And when they do come out with it and charge $899, everyone will complain that they can get the a6000 for half the price.

And rightly so, to be honest. When you're asking people to buy into a new mount, EVERYTHING is your competitor. And the sad part here is that it will likely be more expensive, and less of a performer than the A6000. The rumored A6100 will likely SMOKE it and probably be priced on par, or even cheaper. All of this is my guess, based on the recent past.

 

[drob]

They better announce something soon...so many intriguing/advanced offerings and announcements from Nikon, Fuji, and Sony...Canon, once again seems to be lagging behind.

 

[Bernard]

Also, yeah, the 24mp sensor in the m3- which im poised to return - is a super grainy non upgrade from previous sensors. SO far, NOT impressed at all.

That's not what I've seen at all with the M3. Mine barely shows any grain at 1600 (never need to go any higher), and it's got great sharpness. Basically, I'm getting 50% more pixels with absolutely no down-side.

What raw converter are you using? Have you tried others just to double-check?