Pro Mirrorless Mentions and More

[ahsanford]

AS afar as I am concerned, if Canon does not offer a compelling FF mirrorless system by the time Sony launches the A7 III, I'll switch.

Then you'll be switching. Probably by Thursday or so. Because... Sony.

One camera, one mount, one system.

Agree 100%, but mine's still in the SLR space. Just the 5D3 for me right now. My money isn't on Canon innovating so much as it is on the EF lens portfolio serving my needs.

- A

 

[Luds34]

I'm also quite content with the M line staying APS-C. As long as the sensor is top of the line with DPAF then we're good. A FF sensor'd M would likely mean a costlier, larger body and that would be a bit pointless for travel photography - an area I feel the 6D is already providing for. Why would we want something that's almost the same size and weight and presumably about the same price as the 6D? No advantage other than bragging rights. Keeping it small and compact suits the mirroless agenda better. I think all it needs is to be fully specced, high FPS and all that.

So am I. Everyone has different reasons for wanting different things, but I see mirrorless advantages as a smaller/lighter kit, especially if one sticks to primes and to a smaller sensor like APS-C. In fact I just ordered a Fuji X-E2 to dip my toes into something "more pro" then the EF-M system. My one complaint with Fuji is their lenses carry a "more pro" price tag as well.

 

[mackguyver]

I've officially given up on the EOS-M and have my M, 22, 18-55, 11-22, and 90EX up on eBay as we speak. I think it has a lot of great potential but the lack of a viewfinder is just too much for me. I was traveling for work recently and missed a number of great shots primarily because I couldn't see the screen in the bright Florida sun. Beyond that, the pace of Canon's rollout has been painfully slow.

After selling my 5DIII (don't do much 2 camera work anymore and the 1D X made me forget all other EOSs), it became my back up / travel camera. That's when I began to realize the other annoyance was that it was small, but still too big to be truly pocketable. If I'm going to carry a camera around, I might as well have a SLR. As such, I grabbed a refurb SL1 kit + 24 STM and while it's a bit small to grip and the AF is lacking, I like it so much more. I'd kill for a 24mm equivalent prime, but I suppose the 10-18 will do, especially as this is just my back up / fun camera.

Will I regret selling it and especially the 11-22 (killer lens!) if this pro body M comes out? Probably, but who knows if or when it will happen.

 

[archiea]

Hey Guys, I'll bite!

a "pro level" ef-m camera?

OK, lets start with the EF-M3 form factor.

24mp but with 70D Dual Pixel AF

Built-in EVF from the new powershot G5 X

EOS menu system, instead of the current, more powershot menu system.

Button layout to accommodate more EVF operation rather than LCD. For instance, allow for the Multifunction button a dual but smart function: When in manual focus, its becomes the zoom function to assist in manually focus. When it auto focus, it becomes the AF Lock function. This dual and automated function is something that Sony, fuji, leica etc do, This is an area that canon lags in.

Another possibility is to have the record button programmable as AF lock, however move it to where the thumb rest is. Currently the thumb rest interferes with access to the movie record button when viewing thru the EVF, causing a lesser grip on the camera.

Other automated features like if you touch the focus ring, while in AF+MF, magnify is activated immediately s well as focus peaking.

Focus peaking adjusted so that with smaller apertures, it clips faster. This avoids focus peaking from not, well, "not peaking" with smaller aperture cameras.

Lightroom control via USB. This functions as removed after the M1. We lost this professional feature.

Flash sync Cord connection. This will allow for triggering any strobes.

Same body size, same LCD, same flash.

headset out

Video out via HDMI

$899-$999 pricetag for above pro features.

What do you think?

 

[jolyonralph]

Same body size, same LCD, same flash.

What do you think?

For me the biggest problem with the M3 is that it is just too small and tries to cram too many buttons into too small a space. Especially compared to the original Eos M the M3 button layout is problematic with it being FAR too easy to accidentally trigger the menu button with your hand while holding it especially when holding it one-handed. On the EOS M that position was kept quite rightly free of buttons.

The Sony A6000 is just that little bit wider which allows for comfortable button placement - I'd much rather have a slightly wider camera with more sensible and ergonomic button placement.

and please please please, more than anything else, let's have a physical on/off toggle switch - again the A6000 manages this - so you can instantly feel whether the camera is actually off or just in standby mode. This is critical when you have to run around all day trying to conserve battery life.

I have both the M3 and the A6000 and like them both for different reasons. If Canon spent a little bit more time researching ergonomics and usability they have the potential to produce a world-class mirrorless APS-C camera.

 

[scottgoh]

when will canon have its first full frame camera mirrorless like the sony? still waiting. hopefully, i can use all my canon lenses on it.