Sick and tired of rumours

[K-amps]

You mean, you posted something that you had no idea sounded suspisciously like a flame, and now are sardonically dismayed that that's the exact sort of response it generated? Jinkies, we're all sooooo sorry to have hurt your sensitive feelings.

Sorry, but honestly, what sort of response were you expecting when you post on a site called Canon Rumors that you're 'bored with all the different rumors that never come to anything.' Unless someone is forcing you to read these rumors, the whole subject is pretty inane and disingenuous. If you're bored, simply stop reading. This place is for entertainment only - if you want Canon Facts, watch for press releases direct from Canon.

Would we all like to see new products from Canon? Yes. Can we do anything besides speculate and whine (something I'm as guilty of as the next person...I want a 1DsIV, darn it!)? Not really, no. So, either join in the speculation and whining, or delete your bookmark to CR and move on.

I digress: but John, I just saw your equipment profile on TDP... Dang! What do you need 3 rocket blowers for... I don't even have 1 (but I do have dust on my sensors )

 

[distant.star]

I'm not sick (at least in my opinion!) but sometimes I'm tired. My own fault, usually.

On a wholly different note, I was surprised to find a photographer selling prints at a fall festival I went to on Saturday. He was a long-time pro with binders and books of 8 X 10 prints and a bunch of stuff in frames. Nice work, but it seemed odd in this digital world to find something so seemingly old fashioned.

He said he was selling some; maybe he's onto something! Bet his business really takes of when Canon releases the new pro line. Oops, he uses Nikon. Maybe he'll switch.

 

[kenraw]

Well I can see you are all pretty much fired up regarding my post. Hopefully it has passed some time while we wait for new gear. I'm still tired of waiting regardless. I've toyed with the idea of a couple of 5dmk2's as my friend uses them for his weddings and they are awesome, however the 5dmk2 is about to be upgraded or replaced ( according to rumour ) so doesn't make sense to me to change. I don't know what everyones thoughts are on the current 1DmkIV but I downloaded sample images from Dpreview and found the images to have a lower IQ than the 5dmk2. So really my only option currently is dare I say that word again "Nikon D3's" I know that seems to be a taboo but quite honestly im on the fence at the moment and depending on what each manufacturer bring out soon will determine which way I go. Do I want to stay with Canon? Yes. I would like to know how many people who have slated me have actually used a D700 or D3s and are speaking from experience!

 

[pelebel]

To tell the truth, the 1001 th instance of someone threatening to switch to Nikon or vice versa is a bit of a old and boring topic, and no one here really cares.

Have you ever heard about business models of the New Economy? Now that information is searchable, coming from blogs, twitter, forums, etc. power is yielded to the people, and the sum of all the "I might go to Nikon" should ring a bell at Canon. Because other potential buyers read them. And they share that information with their friends. This is how you do business in the 2010s.

Here's a reference for what I'm saying: http://books.google.ca/books?id=v9sspElj_5YC&printsec=frontcover&dq=what+would+google+do&hl=fr&ei=lVKTTrnBJMTF0AGGxcRV&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

And here's Google's reference: http://www.google.com/about/corporate/company/tenthings.html

I'm a T2i owner (with a 24-70 2.8 L ) and I'm waiting for a good 5D upgrade so I can finally change my body. I must say Nikon is getting extremely good results in terms of image quality. I'm pretty sure Canon will amaze us with their 5Dmk3. But the big questions are when will it finally arrive, and will I have the patience to wait for it...

 

[K-amps]

Well I can see you are all pretty much fired up regarding my post. Hopefully it has passed some time while we wait for new gear. I'm still tired of waiting regardless. I've toyed with the idea of a couple of 5dmk2's as my friend uses them for his weddings and they are awesome, however the 5dmk2 is about to be upgraded or replaced ( according to rumour ) so doesn't make sense to me to change. I don't know what everyones thoughts are on the current 1DmkIV but I downloaded sample images from Dpreview and found the images to have a lower IQ than the 5dmk2. So really my only option currently is dare I say that word again "Nikon D3's" I know that seems to be a taboo but quite honestly im on the fence at the moment and depending on what each manufacturer bring out soon will determine which way I go. Do I want to stay with Canon? Yes. I would like to know how many people who have slated me have actually used a D700 or D3s and are speaking from experience!

There's no perfect camera... I think you should rent the D700 and some lenses and try then out. It's might be so that there's one thing on the Nikon's that you do not like and holistically, canon's might make more sense? try them yourself... heck, I am on my third Canon body this year... thanks to feebay in part.

 

[kenraw]

Well I can see you are all pretty much fired up regarding my post. Hopefully it has passed some time while we wait for new gear. I'm still tired of waiting regardless. I've toyed with the idea of a couple of 5dmk2's as my friend uses them for his weddings and they are awesome, however the 5dmk2 is about to be upgraded or replaced ( according to rumour ) so doesn't make sense to me to change. I don't know what everyones thoughts are on the current 1DmkIV but I downloaded sample images from Dpreview and found the images to have a lower IQ than the 5dmk2. So really my only option currently is dare I say that word again "Nikon D3's" I know that seems to be a taboo but quite honestly im on the fence at the moment and depending on what each manufacturer bring out soon will determine which way I go. Do I want to stay with Canon? Yes. I would like to know how many people who have slated me have actually used a D700 or D3s and are speaking from experience!

There's no perfect camera... I think you should rent the D700 and some lenses and try then out. It's might be so that there's one thing on the Nikon's that you do not like and holistically, canon's might make more sense? try them yourself... heck, I am on my third Canon body this year... thanks to feebay in part.

Yes your right there isn't a perfect camera. I've used a D700 quite a bit from a colleague who has two. The only thing I didnt like was the button layout and how it fitted my hand. I'm sure you could get used to a new layout, the D3s is sightly different again. The 7D's button layout and ergonimics are perfect for me, if a camera comes out with that layout with a full frame sensor and vastly better iso with a reasonable MP count such as 16-18mp I like many others would be on it like a rash. I don't care what they call it 5dmkIII, 6D its irrelavent.

 

[EYEONE]

I do get a tad irritated when people start complaining about their gear that is excellent. I probably tend to take it when someone calls my main photographic tool "mediocre". It doesn't really matter if it is really mediocre or not. If a shot is taken with a 7D and it sucks, I promise it will still suck taken with a D3s.

The point is, I see no way that the "mediocre" 7D could be holding you back in a photographic creative way. No way. And Nikon is not going to unlock a creative side of your brain that was dormant when holding a Canon. You have a Canon 7D! You have 8fps and 19 cross type AF points! You have ISO 12800 available to you if you need it. And a 100% viewfinder. Along with a magnesium alloy body, weather sealing and a wireless flash transmitter! 1080p video recording and 720p at multiple frame rates...

Go use it! Take pictures, be creative! If you find a feature lacking find a solution. Make it work for you.

 

[Picsfor]

I was so sick of rumours about the much fabled 5D3 that when I saw the amazing offers for a 5D2, I went and bought one - for £600 less than I paid for the first one.

I have only 1 gripe with the 5D2 - the focusing. A single cross hair is not what you would expect of a £2000+ camera (until recently). I swear about it, curse it - but still love switching it on, seeing the pic and pressing the shutter button.

I especially love the 21mp sensor that produces images big enough to give me loads of crop space if needed, and that lovely 6400 iso, which provides a noise effect similar to the old asa1600 grain of certain films.

Will I get a 5D3 if ever released? Depends what it offers over the 5D2 - better focusing, otherwise - I'm sorted until a body expires...

I'm amused that you made such a thoughtless post on a site, which specifically states is for amusement only, and then got all surprised that you got the responses you did. As for Nikon, they have a lens I love - but I won't swap for it. I'm waiting for Canon to release their own 12-24mm (hopefully a 2.8 L).

 

[markIVantony]

Since opinions are free, I'll share mine. I don't visit this site for the rumors. 99% of the reason I visit is to gain and, when appropriate, share knowledge. Rumors are of no use to me; they don't help me make buying decisions, save money, or increase my knowledge. Why? Because they're rumors! My momma taught me better than that ;-) Now when Canon announces a new product, that's when I get excited. And it's only in hindsight that a past rumor is confirmed to be fact. The CRx ranking system is interesting, but when it's all said in done, my opinion of the value of these Canon rumors is purely for entertainment (that's the last 1%).

Having said that, I'm curious how others use the rumor information provided herein?

 

[Loswr]

Have you ever heard about business models of the New Economy? Now that information is searchable, coming from blogs, twitter, forums, etc. power is yielded to the people, and the sum of all the "I might go to Nikon" should ring a bell at Canon. Because other potential buyers read them. And they share that information with their friends. This is how you do business in the 2010s.

Of course, that assumes the traffic is all in one direction. If you go to the Nikon forums, you'll see plenty of (idle) 'threats' along the lines of, "If Nikon doesn't _________, I'm switching to Canon."

I'm a T2i owner (with a 24-70 2.8 L ) and I'm waiting for a good 5D upgrade so I can finally change my body. I must say Nikon is getting extremely good results in terms of image quality. I'm pretty sure Canon will amaze us with their 5Dmk3. But the big questions are when will it finally arrive, and will I have the patience to wait for it...

The current 5DII is a significant upgrade to your Rebel. Regarding Nikon, what's the latest FF camera that they've released?

I...feel the 7D is over hyped by canon.

I don't see how this is even possible. Canon's mission is not to provide unbiased reviews of their products - their mission is to sell you those products. Can you point to any instances where Canon's marketing materials are incorrect or intentionally misleading?

What's your experience with the 5DII? I notice you're comparing the 7D to a pair of Nikon FF cameras - comparing APS-C to FF isn't particularly fair.

Kenraw, speaking of Canon's marketing statements, would you consider yourself a 'serious photographer' or a 'semi-professional' photographer? Those are the groups for whom Canon has explicitly stated that the 7D is the tool of choice. If you are a pro photographer, it may be that you chose the wrong tool.

 

[niccyboy]

I have a few 7ds as well, and I agree it can have a few problems, but so can every camera.
I've had my sensor assembly replaced twice in one camera due to manufacturing faults.. the other has been perfect.
I still have them in my kit, and it is still used by my team for video jobs.

The 5dmk2 is still an exceptional piece of hardware and I feel it is in a completely different league to the d700.

I PERSONALLY find the picture quality and colours in my MK2 bodies to be so completely superior to my 7d. Although the focus can be frustrating at times, but still better than my mk1 was.

I recommend picking up a second hand Mk2, if you have the money to consider a 1d then you have the disposable income to pick up a second hand 5dmk2 for a few grand and then sell it when the new one comes out, you will lose about 500 bucks from your purchase price (or it will make a good spare body). That is nothing compared to the pain of getting upset by hitting refresh on canon rumours daily and just waiting with a camera that you aren't happy with.

As for swapping.... I guess i'm qualified to compare as I use both NIkon and Canon. My major client is Aus government and power companies and the job involves helicopter photography using D3x's and 600m and 200-400 Nikkor lenses . This is over 30 grand worth of hardware (not including the gyros, mounts etc). Don't get me wrong the picture quality from a few hundred in the air from ANY brand camera of that level will be good... I find the menu system clunky and awkward, the onboard controls in bad locations and the battery chamber over complicated. (although the zoom in preview is excellent). We use Nikon due to the *** built in.

If the CR guy only reported definite facts then it would be a very boring site.

At least these CR1s give us something to discuss and argue over (but i think this forum can get a bit unnecessarily aggressive)

At the end of the day, as many have posted:

1- If it's the RUMORS component that is upsetting you, then dont come to a canon rumors site.
2 - If your 7d is causing you issues, and you like the 5d and are waiting for the mk3, sell the 7d and buy a second hand 5d. You won't lose much and it will give you something new to play with.
3 - If you prefer nikon, change... but those shitty controls will do your head in. Like every product in the world, nothing is perfect, even if it was... people would find something they don't like about it.
4 - If you don't like people giving their opinions back, don't post in a forum. Aggression from some people is stupid, and you need to have a thick skin if you start being controversial, but the advantages are that there are some very knowledgeable people in this forum, you can get some great advice, and i have no doubt that the moment some facts about new products DO get leaked, CR will have them on here.

 

[niccyboy]

Have you ever heard about business models of the New Economy? Now that information is searchable, coming from blogs, twitter, forums, etc. power is yielded to the people, and the sum of all the "I might go to Nikon" should ring a bell at Canon. Because other potential buyers read them. And they share that information with their friends. This is how you do business in the 2010s.

Of course, that assumes the traffic is all in one direction. If you go to the Nikon forums, you'll see plenty of (idle) 'threats' along the lines of, "If Nikon doesn't _________, I'm switching to Canon."

I'm a T2i owner (with a 24-70 2.8 L ) and I'm waiting for a good 5D upgrade so I can finally change my body. I must say Nikon is getting extremely good results in terms of image quality. I'm pretty sure Canon will amaze us with their 5Dmk3. But the big questions are when will it finally arrive, and will I have the patience to wait for it...

The current 5DII is a significant upgrade to your Rebel. Regarding Nikon, what's the latest FF camera that they've released?

I...feel the 7D is over hyped by canon.

I don't see how this is even possible. Canon's mission is not to provide unbiased reviews of their products - their mission is to sell you those products. Can you point to any instances where Canon's marketing materials are incorrect or intentionally misleading?

What's your experience with the 5DII? I notice you're comparing the 7D to a pair of Nikon FF cameras - comparing APS-C to FF isn't particularly fair.

Kenraw, speaking of Canon's marketing statements, would you consider yourself a 'serious photographer' or a 'semi-professional' photographer? Those are the groups for whom Canon has explicitly stated that the 7D is the tool of choice. If you are a pro photographer, it may be that you chose the wrong tool.

+1 to this.

 

[epsiloneri]

Re: Camera limitations

The point is, I see no way that the "mediocre" 7D could be holding you back in a photographic creative way. No way.

I can see plenty of ways! But that equipment is limiting in some ways is a general statement you can always make and it will always be true, therefore it is not very interesting. More interesting is to learn what limitation the photographer considers to be a problem, and why.

 

[pelebel]

Have you ever heard about business models of the New Economy? Now that information is searchable, coming from blogs, twitter, forums, etc. power is yielded to the people, and the sum of all the "I might go to Nikon" should ring a bell at Canon. Because other potential buyers read them. And they share that information with their friends. This is how you do business in the 2010s.

Of course, that assumes the traffic is all in one direction. If you go to the Nikon forums, you'll see plenty of (idle) 'threats' along the lines of, "If Nikon doesn't _________, I'm switching to Canon."

I'm a T2i owner (with a 24-70 2.8 L ) and I'm waiting for a good 5D upgrade so I can finally change my body. I must say Nikon is getting extremely good results in terms of image quality. I'm pretty sure Canon will amaze us with their 5Dmk3. But the big questions are when will it finally arrive, and will I have the patience to wait for it...

The current 5DII is a significant upgrade to your Rebel. Regarding Nikon, what's the latest FF camera that they've released?

Surely there are Nikon owners that whine about what they've got. Now if one maker decides to really listen to his customers and adress their complaints on forums, make products as people want them, there will be a winner. For the moment, they just released a $775 camera that kills its competitors: http://snapsort.com/cameras/Nikon-D5100 With that kind of product (look at it's high ISO noise and image quality), they are surely techonogically ahead of Canon. I know it's not a comparable product to a 5D.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Checkout the Nikon Plant in Thailand. I don't know if this is the one that makes their lenses, but its ugly. Canon is also said to have flood damage.

http://ow.ly/i/iVa4

 

[kenraw]

I've already mentioned that's it's unfair for me to be comparing a 7D to a full frame camera, but this is my whole point. I'm ready to move on as the aps is limiting me with regard to iso and in my opinion a too densely packed sensor. The 7D's iso is nowhere near as good as canon claim and some images even at iso400 can be really noisy, I find 3200 is last resort territory. I find that the 7D can produce amazingly sharp detailed images but not consistant enough for me. At first I thought it must be user error but after using a D700 for a couple of days and trying a 5dmkII it was hard to find an image that wasn't dead on focus and sharp clarity wise. This leads me to believe that the focus system on the 7D probably is as good as they say but the sensor lets it down.
My creativity certainly isn't held back by the 7D I'm just ready for a pro body to make it easier to create images, by way of better high iso, better colour rendetition like the 5dmkII which has been mentioned and a better dynamic range. The new rumour of a 1D mkv with 16-20 MP sounds like my perfect camera and if it does materialise I'll have one straight away. If canon release something like a 40+mp crammed ff then it's just going to be overkill for wedding photography with every image having to be downsized for album print.
I totally agree with the comments about the Nikons having awkward controls and menus by no one can deny that currently nothing can touch a D3s at the moment for high iso image quality.

 

[nikkito]

Changing from Canon to Nikon??? No way! It's like asking me to root for Brasil in Football (I'm argentine). That's NEVER gonna happen ))