Some Conflicting EOS-1D X Mark II Specifications [CR2]

[mclaren777]

The Nikon D5 sounds like a good camera, but Canon is not losing out to Nikon in that range of bodies. It is the 5D & 70D Canon customers who are switching to Nikon.

I wouldn't be so sure. In the world of professional motorsports (F1, Dakar, WEC, etc) where top-tier cameras and lenses are everywhere, I've been seeing a growing movement towards Nikon and away from Canon.

I don't think Canon can afford to mess up too much with the 1DX2 (or the 5D4).

 

[takesome1]

I just sold my 1DX in anticipation of purchasing the new 1DX MkII, and I have to say I am shocked by this latest rumor!

What will really shock you is when the announcement next week has nothing to do with a new DSLR. Instead it is a build up for some new goofy internet initiative. Left with no camera for another year will be very shocking.

 

[ScottyP]

Other than tweaks, or 4k video, what do people expect on a new 1D model? The AF and FPS are already great. The thing is built like a tank.

Any radically new sensor tech will start somewhere lower on the line, like xx-D or 5D-x.

 

[mackguyver]

I just sold my 1DX in anticipation of purchasing the new 1DX MkII, and I have to say I am shocked by this latest rumor!

What will really shock you is when the announcement next week has nothing to do with a new DSLR. Instead it is a build up for some new goofy internet initiative. Left with no camera for another year will be very shocking.

It'll probably be for a new printer

 

[Don Haines]

The Nikon D5 sounds like a good camera, but Canon is not losing out to Nikon in that range of bodies. It is the 5D & 70D Canon customers who are switching to Nikon.

I wouldn't be so sure. In the world of professional motorsports (F1, Dakar, WEC, etc) where top-tier cameras and lenses are everywhere, I've been seeing a growing movement towards Nikon and away from Canon.

I don't think Canon can afford to mess up too much with the 1DX2 (or the 5D4).

Personally, I don't think it matters if they shoot 1DX or D5.... both are great, both cost about the same (almost nothing compared to the cost of a motor).... In the end it probably comes down to which user interface you like better and since we are all different, there is no right answer.

If you are shooting at that level, you have far more invested in glass than camera bodies and you will probably continue with the system you have. D4 users get the D5 and the D4 becomes a backup body.... 1DX users get the 1DX2 and the 1DX becomes the backup body.... High end users don't tend to jump from system to system, particularly when they have to go to the boss to justify the expense...

"Hey boss, I want to dump all our Canon gear and get the D4"
Boss - how much will that cost?
"$15,000 for a couple of bodies, 60 or 70K to start for lenses, with accessories about $100,000 for starters"
Boss - will it make the pictures any better?
"oh yes, they will have a stop better DR and blah blah blah blah......."
Boss - will I be able to notice the difference?
"ummm... well.... not really......"
Boss - Don't let the door hit you on the way out.......

P.S. There is one freaking pile of GoPros at the track!

 

[tpatana]

Other than tweaks, or 4k video, what do people expect on a new 1D model? The AF and FPS are already great. The thing is built like a tank.

My request is better high-ISO noise, and same time more DR.

 

[quod]

Anecdotes ≠ data. The most recently available data show Canon gaining market share and Nikon losing it.

In what segments? Anecdotes ≠ data.

 

[PureClassA]

These rumors do nothing for me ... Cuz they are rumors. And a AA filter on/off switch??? It's a physical part of the seonsor. It's either there or it isnt (or canceled). That alone should give us all some pause as to how valid this rumor is

That being said, 20.3 vs 22MP... Ok. Not that big a deal for this type of camera.

May not be perceived as exciting as the D5? Paper specs dont mean anything. 3mins of 4k video recording and only 55 user selectable AF points isnt that exciting either. What are we talking about here.

If canon really wanted to throw people off the scent, they may try and leak a bunch of false and conflicting rumors... Just sayin'

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Not an expert but I do not believe that an OPTICAL AA filter can be set on and off. This seems more difficult than a 15 stop Canon sensor! Who exactly is the source of that info? Also 22Mp seems more likely....

AA Filters can also be digital, in fact, even with optical filters, there are digital ones in the processing stream.

A on/off function only makes sense for jpeg users, I doubt that raw would be affected.

 

[takesome1]

I just sold my 1DX in anticipation of purchasing the new 1DX MkII, and I have to say I am shocked by this latest rumor!

What will really shock you is when the announcement next week has nothing to do with a new DSLR. Instead it is a build up for some new goofy internet initiative. Left with no camera for another year will be very shocking.

It'll probably be for a new printer

That is what I am counting on, putting my Pixma Pro's on craigslist right now.

 

[GoldWing]

The following information comes from a very well known source, who has been correct about 80% of the time. The resolution information about the upcoming EOS-1D X Mark II contradicts what we were previously told.</p>
<p>Specifications (Italics are a direct quote):</p>
<ul>
<li>20.3mp sensor, we’ve been previously told 22mp by a couple of people.</li>
<li><em>“Some sort of a built in AA filter removal function. User can choose to have AA on or off, not too sure how that works.”</em></li>
<li>Improved dynamic range, but still won’t match the Sony sensors.</li>
<li><em>“Specifications may not be perceived as exciting as the Nikon D5.”</em></li>
</ul>
<p>Leaks for this camera have been extremely hard to come by.</p>
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I'm sure we'll all be under underwhelmed and dissapointed.

 

[eml58]

These rumors do nothing for me ... Cuz they are rumors. And a AA filter on/off switch??? It's a physical part of the seonsor. It's either there or it isnt (or canceled). That alone should give us all some pause as to how valid this rumor is

I have the Sony RX1R II, have a look at this to see how the AA Filter is handled in this Camera, it's possible Canon may have developed something similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoWrkEj1qo

I've only had the Camera a month but it seems to produce pretty amazing Files for a small Camera, there's little doubt in my mind that Sony is one of the very few Camera Companies that seem to be actually developing new tech & putting it into their Cameras.

Still, I'm not about to get rid of my 1Dx/5DsR just yet.

 

[Loswr]

I'm sure we'll all be under underwhelmed and dissapointed.

We're all sure you will be.

 

[expatinasia]

Maybe the 1DX II is just a 1DC with a new batch ;D

I agree if you meant badge instead of batch.

The 1DX has been top of the game since it came out, and in many ways the 1DC was even further ahead of the game both in its ability and price.

Basically we'll be getting a 1DC II at around the price of the 1DX when it came out, with a few upgrades put into it. Oh and a name change.

All good, but I would bet that quite a few who originally thought they would be upgrading, may not.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"Improved dynamic range, but still won’t match the Sony sensors."

Wow. And still talk of no 4k video for 5D4 much less high-quality over-sampled (of course these rumors could be wrong). And DR still not a match for Sony. Thank god for A7R II and stuff. Sure the UI and some stuff is stinky compared to Canon and it's not an action cam and can't do it all (especially not with adapted lenses), but at least there is a way to get your high DR, high MP landscapes shots and 4k video and all with IBIS and use Canon lenses (and keep and old 5D3 or whatnot around for the more action stuff). Maybe Nikon will leap in and a one body does it all, although some say they are worried by the video let down on the D5 as to what a D820 will provide.

Anyway at least there are ways to get great stuff done even if it takes dual bodies and swapping back and forth and adapters. So great times in the end all the same.

Sony does deserve a lot of praise for pushing things forward. I've 85% given up using Canon bodies at this point (and I am a very, very long time exclusive Canon body user), not sure when they will ever wake up. A shame since they do have a great UI. Their lenses are awesome too, but at least they can more or less be used on the Sony for non-action stuff.

 

[Jack Douglas]

I fear for the health of CR members in the next couple of stressful days!

Jack

 

[sanj]

"Improved dynamic range, but still won’t match the Sony sensors."

Wow. And still talk of no 4k video for 5D4 much less high-quality over-sampled (of course these rumors could be wrong). And DR still not a match for Sony. Thank god for A7R II and stuff. Sure the UI and some stuff is stinky compared to Canon and it's not an action cam and can't do it all (especially not with adapted lenses), but at least there is a way to get your high DR, high MP landscapes shots and 4k video and all with IBIS and use Canon lenses (and keep and old 5D3 or whatnot around for the more action stuff). Maybe Nikon will leap in and a one body does it all, although some say they are worried by the video let down on the D5 as to what a D820 will provide.

Anyway at least there are ways to get great stuff done even if it takes dual bodies and swapping back and forth and adapters. So great times in the end all the same.

Sony does deserve a lot of praise for pushing things forward. I've 85% given up using Canon bodies at this point (and I am a very, very long time exclusive Canon body user), not sure when they will ever wake up. A shame since they do have a great UI. Their lenses are awesome too, but at least they can more or less be used on the Sony for non-action stuff.

Absolutely.

 

[privatebydesign]

"Improved dynamic range, but still won’t match the Sony sensors."

Wow. And still talk of no 4k video for 5D4 much less high-quality over-sampled (of course these rumors could be wrong). And DR still not a match for Sony. Thank god for A7R II and stuff. Sure the UI and some stuff is stinky compared to Canon and it's not an action cam and can't do it all (especially not with adapted lenses), but at least there is a way to get your high DR, high MP landscapes shots and 4k video and all with IBIS and use Canon lenses (and keep and old 5D3 or whatnot around for the more action stuff). Maybe Nikon will leap in and a one body does it all, although some say they are worried by the video let down on the D5 as to what a D820 will provide.

Anyway at least there are ways to get great stuff done even if it takes dual bodies and swapping back and forth and adapters. So great times in the end all the same.

Sony does deserve a lot of praise for pushing things forward. I've 85% given up using Canon bodies at this point (and I am a very, very long time exclusive Canon body user), not sure when they will ever wake up. A shame since they do have a great UI. Their lenses are awesome too, but at least they can more or less be used on the Sony for non-action stuff.

Absolutely.

And what, exactly, have Sony pushed? After all if this is true, and I expect it to be, Canon obviously don't think better than Sony DR is important enough to get pushed by, and the truth is I value TS-E 17's and 11-24's etc etc far more than a greater ability to lift shadows. As a stills shooter and stills camera purchaser I couldn't give a damn about video specs, if my 1DX MkII costs 20c more because it has 4K and twin CFast slots I'll be pissed, I don't want or need a combined 1DX/1DC replacement, I want a 1DS MkIII replacement and I have waited very patiently for it!

 

[Ozarker]

Being able to enable or disable the AA filter is a great idea. Especially since Canon puts AA filters in and then defeats them with software anyway.

Hobbul bobbal schnarffle zurp! IOW, WTF?!?

It is the 5D & 70D Canon customers who are switching to Nikon. That's where Canon can't afford an evolutionary product this year.

Anecdotes ≠ data. The most recently available data show Canon gaining market share and Nikon losing it.

Here's another anecdote for Kevl. I'm exactly the kind of Canon owner Kevl speaks about switching to Nikon. Guess what: It has never even crossed my mind. Not once. Not ever.

I don't have any data for support, but I surmise that there are far more people whining and threatening about jumping over to Nikon than really do because they think Canon reads these threads for ideas and getting the pulse of the market.

Those who do will find they can't take good photos with a Nikon either and will then switch to Sony. Finally, they'll learn they suck no matter what camera they have.

Are you switching Kevl?

 

[PureClassA]

I'm sure we'll all be under underwhelmed and dissapointed.

You've been virtualy nothing but negative of Canon since your first post. If you find their products so disappointing, by all means, vote with your wallet.