The Canon EOS Kiss M / EOS M50 Shows Up for Certification

[Canon Rumors]

<p>Nokishita has uncovered a new Canon camera that has appeared for bluetooth certification. It looks like it will be called the EOS Kiss M / EOS M50 depending on the market.</p>
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<p>The naming scheme is interesting, as “Kiss” is usually held for DSLRs in Japan. Could this be the first EOS M camera with an EF mount?</p>
<p>We think this camera will be coming for CES In January at the earliest.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[jolyonralph]

No, that's silly.

It can't be an EOS M if it has EF mount!

It is a very curious announcement. With naming protocols we would expect it to be between the M100 and the M5/6 in feature/price point.

What would that be?

An EOS M100 with EVF (ie cut-down M5)? maybe similar form-factor to Sony A6x00 series.

An EOS M100 with hot-shoe external EVF mount (ie cut-down M6)? Unlikely.

I suspect we'll see the EF-M 18-55 II announced with this too.

Clearly the M range are doing well in Asia (and in my household too, we have M3, M5 and M6 here)

 

[HaroldC3]

Well they already screwed up the naming convention so who knows where this one will fall.

 

[Loswr]

The Kiss moniker suggests a consumer (xxD/xxxD) level ILC. But no Rebel moniker. Perhaps a mirrorless equivalent of the 77D / Kiss 9000.

 

[andrei1989]

The Kiss moniker suggests a consumer (xxD/xxxD) level ILC. But no Rebel moniker. Perhaps a mirrorless equivalent of the 77D / Kiss 9000.

soo..a bit lower specced than the M5?
that would be the M100, right?

 

[Quackator]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

 

[Loswr]

The Kiss moniker suggests a consumer (xxD/xxxD) level ILC. But no Rebel moniker. Perhaps a mirrorless equivalent of the 77D / Kiss 9000.

soo..a bit lower specced than the M5?
that would be the M100, right?

M100 controls, with a built-in EVF. Done.

 

[Loswr]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

 

[unfocused]

No, that's silly.

It can't be an EOS M if it has EF mount!...

The Kiss moniker suggests a consumer (xxD/xxxD) level ILC.

Agreed.

We don't have access to Canon's market research or branding surveys, but this simply sounds like the "Kiss" brand is well established in certain markets and Canon wants to make sure a new consumer mirrorless camera remains identified with the "Kiss" branding.

 

[slclick]

Since I just bought the M5 I'm sure it's an EF/EF-S mount body.

 

[JohanCruyff]

M100 controls, with a built-in EVF. Done.

The M50 should be worse specced than the M5 and better than the M100.

But if it has a EVF, it is - from this point of view - better than the M6, which I don't think it's plausible.

Maybe the problem is me: I thought that the current range of Canon APS-C Mirrorless was already wide enough.

 

[privatebydesign]

It's well known among retailers that purchasing in these ranges is incredibly price sensitive. Canon have built a camera empire on knowing that and making a range of models with a feature set appealing enough to enough buyers to make them leaders. I am sure now the mirrorless bandwagon is rolling in other markets they will tailor their offerings to those ends.

 

[Loswr]

M100 controls, with a built-in EVF. Done.

The M50 should be worse specced than the M5 and better than the M100.

But if it has a EVF, it is - from this point of view - better than the M6, which I don't think it's plausible.

Maybe the problem is me: I thought that the current range of Canon APS-C Mirrorless was already wide enough.

I don't think EVF = better. Rather, it's a choice of smaller body size with optional/removable EVF vs. larger body size with built-in EVF. Personally, I chose the M6 for full controls (unlike the M100) and smaller size.

With the Kiss nameplate, I think it will have a built-in EVF. It will likely still use the EF-M mount. To me, this feels like Canon trying to place MILCs in their mainstream product line...span the Kiss name across the ILC line, and eventually shift the entry level from dSLR to MILC. It makes sense for this to happen first in Japan and Asia.

Regarding the APS-C MILC range, it's not yet nearly as segmented as the APS-C dSLR range, which arguably has 6 levels: xxxxD, xxxD, xxD, and 7D, plus the small-size 100/200D and the xxxD/xxD hybrids (760D and 77D, which are EOS 8000D/9000D in Japan). So, there's plenty of room in the MILC line.

 

[CanonGrunt]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

I hope so too. I almost wonder if they are considering abandoning the EF-M mount then. I have an M-5 & two Ef-M lenses, but I rarely use those. I always have EF or EF-s lens attached. The 50 1.4 actually feels really nice on the M5. I'd be willing to bet that the FF Mirrorless with be EF mount, and possibly Cinema orriented to compete with the Sony A7S II & A7R iii. Either way, the EOS M line is finally working out, the M5 is phenomenal IMO, but the line needs beefing up, and soon.

 

[ritholtz]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

Neuro,
Do you think, it is SL2 with all 80d specs. I am trying to move to sl2 from 80d. Hoping for Canon to come up with more expensive sl2 with more features. Not sure if SL2 is a big step down. But 80d is very difficult to carry most of times.

 

[ritholtz]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

I hope so too. I almost wonder if they are considering abandoning the EF-M mount then. I have an M-5 & two Ef-M lenses, but I rarely use those. I always have EF or EF-s lens attached. The 50 1.4 actually feels really nice on the M5. I'd be willing to bet that the FF Mirrorless with be EF mount, and possibly Cinema orriented to compete with the Sony A7S II & A7R iii. Either way, the EOS M line is finally working out, the M5 is phenomenal IMO, but the line needs beefing up, and soon.

Am i going to save lot of space and weight from 80d to M5. How does SL2 stack up with M5 in terms of features, size and spec. SL2 has same sensor as 80d and produces same measurements.

 

[JohanCruyff]

Regarding the APS-C MILC range, it's not yet nearly as segmented as the APS-C dSLR range, which arguably has 6 levels: xxxxD, xxxD, xxD, and 7D, plus the small-size 100/200D and the xxxD/xxD hybrids (760D and 77D, which are EOS 8000D/9000D in Japan). So, there's plenty of room in the MILC line.

I agree with you, but I think that it is strange to see 6 different APS-C DSLR and so many different APS-C ML.
I would expect Canon to decide to push (and differentiate) the ML segment only when they start to reduce the APS-C range. Sooner or later...


BTW, I think that in the long run (5 years? 20 years from now? who knows!) Canon's options could be something like
- 1M (sport FF ML)
- 5M (all-rounder FF ML)
- 5MsR ("high megapixel count" FF ML)
- 6M (cheap all-rounder FF ML)
- 7M ("pro/sport" APS-C ML)
-XXM (enthusiast APS-C ML)
- etc.

 

[rrcphoto]

I think everyone is off in the weeds here.

Nokishita is calling this PC232xx which means it's a powershot based camera, not a DSC that a rebel would have.

As of next Feb or so, the M5 is 1.5 years old. it's due for an upgrade. Since this is just the bluetooth module certification, we could be talking closer to 2 years old for the M5 (sept 2018).

Could canon be calling that an M50 or a Kiss M because it's finally more mainstream - altogether possible and more probable. there's no laws that say that canon must follow it's DSLR naming convention for the M series.

it would not make sense to have another APS-C EF-M camera in the mix unless it was upgrading one of the three, there's simply not much room in between them all, unless canon is making an even cheaper version of the EF M100.

there's quite a bit that i'd love to see updated on my EOS-M5, so it's not as if canon's reached the pinnacle for what they can do with the series of camera bodies they already have.

 

[CanonGrunt]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

I hope so too. I almost wonder if they are considering abandoning the EF-M mount then. I have an M-5 & two Ef-M lenses, but I rarely use those. I always have EF or EF-s lens attached. The 50 1.4 actually feels really nice on the M5. I'd be willing to bet that the FF Mirrorless with be EF mount, and possibly Cinema orriented to compete with the Sony A7S II & A7R iii. Either way, the EOS M line is finally working out, the M5 is phenomenal IMO, but the line needs beefing up, and soon.

Am i going to save lot of space and weight from 80d to M5. How does SL2 stack up with M5 in terms of features, size and spec. SL2 has same sensor as 80d and produces same measurements.

I prefer the M5 over the 7D II most of the time. So I think you'll like it a lot and it will more than meet your needs. it's definitely better than the SL2, and I think better than the 80D as well.

 

[ritholtz]

I'd bet for an APS-C with EF/EF-S mount.

I'm skeptical, but I actually hope this is what comes out. If so, it almost certainly indicates that the full frame mirrorless will have an EF mount.

I hope so too. I almost wonder if they are considering abandoning the EF-M mount then. I have an M-5 & two Ef-M lenses, but I rarely use those. I always have EF or EF-s lens attached. The 50 1.4 actually feels really nice on the M5. I'd be willing to bet that the FF Mirrorless with be EF mount, and possibly Cinema orriented to compete with the Sony A7S II & A7R iii. Either way, the EOS M line is finally working out, the M5 is phenomenal IMO, but the line needs beefing up, and soon.

Am i going to save lot of space and weight from 80d to M5. How does SL2 stack up with M5 in terms of features, size and spec. SL2 has same sensor as 80d and produces same measurements.

I prefer the M5 over the 7D II most of the time. So I think you'll like it a lot and it will more than meet your needs. it's definitely better than the SL2, and I think better than the 80D as well.

Thanks for the feedback. I will look out for M5 sale on Canon website. I just purchased SL2. But it is easy to sell and move to M5.

Thanks