The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
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neuroanatomist said:
The "bigger marketshare = better than" argument is pretty lame. Marketshare often has very little to do with quality of product and more to do with market manipulation, advertising and just plain inertia. People buy more Canon cameras because there are more Canon cameras out there. People buying into a system are generally going to go with the system their friends are using, which is likely to be the one that has the largest marketshare already. I bought Canon gear when I was first starting out because it was what I saw the most of on the used markets like Craigslist and eBay.
Seriously, anytime you feel like hauling out the "but Canon sells more!" argument ask yourself if Budweiser really is the best beer in America.
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Hey now! Let's not bash on the 100D! It's a good little camera, just like a rebel but smaller. 
I can see canon offering something like a T4.. That would be neat. Really happy to see a CR3. Now I want to see the "unveiling" of new lenses!! Oh and thanks CR and the sources. 
I can see canon offering something like a T4.. That would be neat. Really happy to see a CR3. Now I want to see the "unveiling" of new lenses!! Oh and thanks CR and the sources.
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Seriously, anytime you feel like hauling out the "but Canon sells more!" argument ask yourself if Budweiser really is the best beer in America.
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LOL, quite funny
But both arguments have merit (the market is the judge of quality, vs. the market is duped and settled by other factors than quality).
Quality is a iffy term (a lens level of sharpness has generally been THE most important factor, judging by the discussions in this forum, - that is untill the Siggy 35/1.4 Art lens came out. Then there was a substantial amount that argued that lens sharpness was not that important, and that the REALLY important thing was Bokeh ).
The problem is that there are no fixed objective parametres on quality, but mostly social conventions (socially constructed agreements). Looking at the history of innovation, one might argue (Like Latour and Aldrich have done in their excellent articles), that the history of innovation has little to do with the survival of the objective best products, but is rather a product of who manages to maximize networks and their inherent power.
Edit: All blind tests I have seen of beer, wine and the like show that consumers are unable to differntiate brands and types on a sensoric level. The University of Oslo, Norway conducted a test on people who had answered that they cared much about and used a lot of money on wine. The added colour to white wine, and almost none were able to see that this was actually not white wine
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LOL, quite funny
But both arguments have merit (the market is the judge of quality, vs. the market is duped and settled by other factors than quality).
Quality is a iffy term (a lens level of sharpness has generally been THE most important factor, judging by the discussions in this forum, - that is untill the Siggy 35/1.4 Art lens came out. Then there was a substantial amount that argued that lens sharpness was not that important, and that the REALLY important thing was Bokeh
). The problem is that there are no fixed objective parametres on quality, but mostly social conventions (socially constructed agreements). Looking at the history of innovation, one might argue (Like Latour and Aldrich have done in their excellent articles), that the history of innovation has little to do with the survival of the objective best products, but is rather a product of who manages to maximize networks and their inherent power.
Edit: All blind tests I have seen of beer, wine and the like show that consumers are unable to differntiate brands and types on a sensoric level. The University of Oslo, Norway conducted a test on people who had answered that they cared much about and used a lot of money on wine. The added colour to white wine, and almost none were able to see that this was actually not white wine
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100 said:
Its not an Irrefutable Law of Markets, its a generality. Things do shift but it's pretty tough to overcome the inertia of an overwhelming marketshare unless the big company fails big (like Nokia) or another company comes up with something that changes the market significantly (like Apple).
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Doesn't Canon release a new Rebel annually in March? This year it could be early. After August is when 40D and 7D were
announced and released so this year 7D ll could be released in 4th quarter. I think canon rumors and other sites where
Canon users keep up demand for 7D ll has prompted Canon to develop such a camera as it is pretty well pre-sold by the
pent up demand for it. If it is better than the 7D is now the new version will sell for years to come.
Maybe 2014 is the year of the 100-400 ll.
announced and released so this year 7D ll could be released in 4th quarter. I think canon rumors and other sites where
Canon users keep up demand for 7D ll has prompted Canon to develop such a camera as it is pretty well pre-sold by the
pent up demand for it. If it is better than the 7D is now the new version will sell for years to come.
Maybe 2014 is the year of the 100-400 ll.
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TrabimanUK
In the words of Brian Johnson - "Shoot to thrill!"
tron said:That will count as two DSLRs ;DTrabimanUK said:Will it be available in white?
Buy jove, I think you could be onto something there! They said the 7D upgrade wouldn't be called the 7DII - maybe, just maybe it'll be the 7DW - the white edition. No need for messy technical upgrade stuff, just a nice, pristine white body. That will show Nikon!
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distant.star said:
Just some pent up long term desire probably. Many people have been lusting for a new 7D. What better marketing could canon ask for. This thing has had a cult following for years and hasn't even been announced yet! (Despite people threatening to jump ship due to lack of innovation and product release.... it hasn''t happened. Doubt canon is worried about waiting TOO long.)
Who knows... when it is actually released... Maybe they will sell a few. ;-)
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Sorry Canon, you waited too long to bring it out if the mysterious 3rd camera is a high resolution cam. I bought a D800E instead that fulfills my needs in that arena quite joyously. Besides, I am not real confident you've been able to address the DR issue in low ISO ranges. And even if I were still in the market for such a camera, it would be a boondoggle of epic proportions to put it inside a 1D body, if the rumors are correct, just so that you can fleece the flock.
I am still in the market for some decent high quality EF lenses (L or otherwise), but the 3rd party folks, Zeiss and Sigma in particular, are upping their games so I'm not going to buy into any incremental upgrades. The 16-35 III will have to be a wider version of the 24-70 II. I don't give a cr@p what it costs, just get it done.
I am still in the market for some decent high quality EF lenses (L or otherwise), but the 3rd party folks, Zeiss and Sigma in particular, are upping their games so I'm not going to buy into any incremental upgrades. The 16-35 III will have to be a wider version of the 24-70 II. I don't give a cr@p what it costs, just get it done.
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Steve said:
I didn't say 'technically superior', did I? In the case of the T3, it's most likely 'cheaper than.' And with apologies to any Bud drinkers out there, I prefer beers I can't see through.
But the point of the argument isn't which camera or beer you or I think is better, it's which camera or beer the majority of people choose for themselves. Look around your house - how many things do you see that, when you bought them, you thought 'this isn't the best product for me, but I'm going to buy it anyway'? Something may be better for you because it's cheaper, because your friends have one so you can ask them about it, because it has some feature that you particularly want, because it was available at the store you were shopping in, or a myriad of other reasons...but I'd argue the vast majority of time, when people make buying choices for non-necessary items, they're choosing what they believe is best for them.
"Best" is arbitrary and highly subjective...we define it for ourselves based on our own needs. "Most popular based on sales volume" is objective, and happens because a majority of those subjectively defining 'best for them' as that particular brand. In the case of beer, that's Budweiser...and for dSLRs, that's Canon.
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