The Next Lens from Canon Will be an EF-S Prime

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#64
I know I'm a bit late to the party on this thread, but after reading through I'm in agreement with many others that this will probably be a "normal" prime, something in the 30mm to 35mm range. As much as we all have our own personal, exotic wishlist, I'm guessing that this normal prime would be a good 3rd lens for casual users who already have the kit lens and have added the 55-250 telephoto zoom. That one key lens for low light, like the nifty fifty but crop only, lighter, and wider FL to adjust for the crop factor.
 
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#65
slclick said:
Meaning less expensive than the wonderful Sigma 30 DC Art?
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Sigma 30 f/1.4 weighs 435g. Price US$499
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918894-REG/sigma_30mm_f_1_4_dc_hsm.html

Nikon 35 f/1.8 weighs 200g. Price US$197
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/606792-USA/Nikon_2183_AF_S_Nikkor_35mm_f_1_8G.html

I have the Sigma 30 mm f/1.4 DC Art lens. Lens is expensive and heavy, optical quality is downright AWFUL and focusing on Canon bodies is inconsistent (whether AF adjusted or not).

Can't wait to dump it.
 
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#66
Woody said:
slclick said:
Meaning less expensive than the wonderful Sigma 30 DC Art?
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Sigma 30 f/1.4 weighs 435g. Price US$499
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918894-REG/sigma_30mm_f_1_4_dc_hsm.html

Nikon 35 f/1.8 weighs 200g. Price US$197
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/606792-USA/Nikon_2183_AF_S_Nikkor_35mm_f_1_8G.html

I have the Sigma 30 mm f/1.4 lens. Lens is expensive and heavy, optical quality is downright AWFUL and focusing on Canon bodies is inconsistent (whether AF adjusted or not).

Can't wait to dump it.
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That's a lightweight. The 50 Art is 28 ounces and is what I would classify as the new normal for lens sizes. Not everything can be light, small and fantastic. You can have 2 out of 3 but.....(still, I do love my pancake 40)
 
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#69
If I'm really expected to move over to an EOS M5 platform, I'm going to need the two primes to shoot my style which usually is the 35mm 1.4L and 85mm 1.2L. I generally can pass on all other focal lengths, so in a crop factor equivalent, the 22mm and 53mm would be what we should be seeing from Canon. Canon would probably sell a lot of 31mm lenses (50mm equiv), but not because they're any good, but because they're popular in photo classes.

9mm f2.8
15mm 1.4
* 22mm 1.4 (35L equiv)
31mm 1.2
* 53mm 1.2 (85L equiv)
66mm f2
15-44mm f2.8
44-125mm f2.8 IS
 
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#71
ahsanford said:
justawriter said:
Wonder if this is a reflection of increasing interest in the 7D MII from higher level photographers who are the ones most likely to buy a bag full of lenses. If so, there could be more such announcements coming.
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Doubt it. Higher level / 'Pro' APS-C users with a 7D2 probably also own an FF rig and have EF glass to call upon for gaps in the EF-S arsenal. Consider: every time you've seen a red-ringed lens on a Canon body with a pop-up flash, you're looking at a crop user. For instance, it's not uncommon at all to see a 7D2 user with a 16-35 L lens as their walkaround.

So I don't think this new crop lens would be aimed at a specific crop body so much as a type of user that spans many parts of the crop camera portfolio. Ideas:

  • The Instagram travel/lifestyle folks would love a compact macro for food photography, perhaps an illuminated lens like the one just released for EF-M (28mm f/3.5 IS STM). I've also wondered if that illuminating element (if modified/tweaked/boosted) could serve as illumination for vlogging.

  • The budding enthusiast crowd would love a simple / cheap / large aperture tool like the 50 f/1.8 STM but for crop, say an EF-S 35mm f/1.8 STM

  • The keep it small crowd might want to collect a small set of pancakes. As the 24mm and 40mm pancakes are already out there, a wider pancake might make sense, perhaps a EF-S 15mm f/2.8 STM

These are just guesses, of course. They may just be updating one of the two existing crop primes, in which case it would surely be the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM.

- A
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This is exactly what my son did. He purchased a 7DII and 16-35/4 (and a 100-400 Mk. II). The 16-35/4 is a great lens for crop, I used it a lot with my 70D. But after having a new 6D, I will not buy another crop-only lens. The second best compared with the EF-S Macro was the 10-18 STM. An updated 60mm Crop-Macro will be nice, epecially when it will have an IS, but I would not buy it, rather take the 100L.
 
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#72
kalieaire said:
If I'm really expected to move over to an EOS M5 platform, I'm going to need the two primes to shoot my style which usually is the 35mm 1.4L and 85mm 1.2L. I generally can pass on all other focal lengths, so in a crop factor equivalent, the 22mm and 53mm would be what we should be seeing from Canon. Canon would probably sell a lot of 31mm lenses (50mm equiv), but not because they're any good, but because they're popular in photo classes.

9mm f2.8
15mm 1.4
* 22mm 1.4 (35L equiv)
31mm 1.2
* 53mm 1.2 (85L equiv)
66mm f2
15-44mm f2.8
44-125mm f2.8 IS
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I don't see Canon doing that, for reasons:

1. It has a clear interest to push big spenders into FF.

The 7D series is an exception, as higher pixel density sensors cater to a niche pro market.

2. Designing and setting up manufacturing facilities is a big expense. Why make an EF-S 53mm f/1.2, when an EF 50mm f/1.2L already exists? An EF-S 15-44mm f/f2.8 when an EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 & EF 16-35mm f/2.8L already exist? Why make an EF-S 22mm f/2, when an EF-S 24mm f/2.8 is available, which is so close in spec?

Furthermore, the more EF-S lenses one has, the less likely he is to upgrade to FF.
 
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#73
kalieaire said:
If I'm really expected to move over to an EOS M5 platform, I'm going to need the two primes to shoot my style which usually is the 35mm 1.4L and 85mm 1.2L. I generally can pass on all other focal lengths, so in a crop factor equivalent, the 22mm and 53mm would be what we should be seeing from Canon. Canon would probably sell a lot of 31mm lenses (50mm equiv), but not because they're any good, but because they're popular in photo classes.

9mm f2.8
15mm 1.4
* 22mm 1.4 (35L equiv)
31mm 1.2
* 53mm 1.2 (85L equiv)
66mm f2
15-44mm f2.8
44-125mm f2.8 IS
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This thread is about a new lens for EF-S (Canon APS-C DSLR) not for EF-M (Canon APS-C Mirrorless) so M5 is a bit off topic.
 
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#74
Luds34 said:
I know I'm a bit late to the party on this thread, but after reading through I'm in agreement with many others that this will probably be a "normal" prime, something in the 30mm to 35mm range. As much as we all have our own personal, exotic wishlist, I'm guessing that this normal prime would be a good 3rd lens for casual users who already have the kit lens and have added the 55-250 telephoto zoom. That one key lens for low light, like the nifty fifty but crop only, lighter, and wider FL to adjust for the crop factor.
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There is already a good and cheap 35mm normal prime from Canon. It is also light and small and can even be used for fullframe. That is the reason why I think they will go for a different focal lenght, something really new but nothing too exotic. Like samyangs 10mm 2.8 prime for APS-C, except with AF.

Does this make sense?
 
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#76
SpartanII said:
Seems like overlap is the name of the game considering there are:
EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM
EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM
EF 28mm f/2.8 IS USM
EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5 - 5.6 that seems to get a refresh every other year
EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5 -5.6
EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5 - 4.5
I'll stop here as there are many more wide angle offerings. For the love of sweet baby jesus could Canon please give some attention to the 50mm-100mm focal length range that is priced sub $500 range. Preferably a prime with a max aperture of f/2-4. Just thinking that it would fit rather nicely with their current EF-S 24mm and EF 40mm offerings however in a longer focal length. There are some aps-c shooters that shoot portraiture. Jusssst sayin.
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+100

A compact EF-S 85/2.4 STM IS would be nice. It would not be a "pancake", but could still be built fairly compact.

However, I bet its going to be another boring "normal FOV" lens ... something like an EF-S 30mm or 35mm / 2.8 STM. *At best* it might be f/2.0 or f/ 1.8. Build / quality will be along the lines of EF-S 24/2.8 STM. Plastic tubus and possibly also plastic mount. Nothing wrong with that for me, I do like my crop glass to be small, optically decent and as DIRT-CHEAP as possible.

@all pipe dreamers: no way for Canon to bring an f/1.4 or f/1.2 *CROP* EF-S lens. Only few people would be stupid enough to buy big, expensive lenses that can be used on CROP bodies only. If we spend big bucks and lug around heavy gear, it's gotta be 100% FF-capable without any compromise.
 
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#77
The only new EF-S prime I can see myself buying would be a wide-angle - noticeably wider than 20mm (but no fisheye) and at least f/2.8, preferably faster. And significantly smaller than full-frame 14/2.8.
 
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#78
AvTvM said:
@all pipe dreamers: no way for Canon to bring an f/1.4 or f/1.2 *CROP* EF-S lens. Only few people would be stupid enough to buy big, expensive lenses that can be used on CROP bodies only. If we spend big bucks and lug around heavy gear, it's gotta be 100% FF-capable without any compromise.
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DC 30 1.4 and DX 35 1.8 are relatively small, light, and affordable. There may be plenty of room for refining such designs to a bit higher speed and quality level without tripling the price.

Canon didn't make a good short tele zoom for crop range, and probably by perfectly good business sense for them, however Sigma were in another situation and could deliver. I guess something similar could happen with primes.

But yes, the Canon lens rumored here may certainly be something else, like a 1.8-2.8 IS of whichever focal length.
 
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#79
Canon Rumors said:
We’re told that the next new non-kit lens Canon will announce is an EF-S prime. We weren’t told what focal length the new EF-S prime lens would be, but we do know that it’s not a specialty lens like a macro.</p>
<p>We’ve also been told that we may see a new EF-S 18-55 kit lens alongside the new Rebel next month.</p>
<p>What focal length of EF-S prime would you be interested in?</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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Please please make it to be 60-70mm pancake :)
 
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