The Next Lens from Canon Will be an EF-S Prime

[Luds34]

Only few people would be stupid enough to buy big, expensive lenses that can be used on CROP bodies only.

Sigma has a 30mm F1.4 lens that sells quite well...

The 17-55 F2.8 from Canon sells quite well......

The 18-200 zoom from Canon sells quite well.....

There might be a lot more "stupid people" out there than you realize, and for Canon to ignore the "stupid people" market would be.... well..... stupid!

Count me as one of those stupid people!

I owned the crop only 15-85mm zoom. It was big and heavy! I especially enjoyed that it went to 15mm (24mm FF equiv) and not the more common 17mm or 18mm.

 

[CapturingLight]

As an APS-C shooter (80D) and enthusiast. I am not adverse to primes but they have to offer something over a zoom to interest me. The EF-S 24 2.8 pancake has been tempting but it is really not that fast, ie the same speed as the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM. What I really want to buy is the latter, the size does not bother me and I would appreciate the versatility. While I could get the 24 to hold me over I am just trying to save for what I really want. I have the 50 1.8 II and love the fast aperture for portraits. I also have the 100L 2.8 Macro which is a great macro lens and does get used for portraits on occasion.

So what does this leave me wanting as far a as EF-S prime? I would have to put my vote in for a fast UWA for astro, that hopefully does not break the bank. I have the EF-S 10-22 for good light.

I see a lot of EF-S bashing and comments that people will just upgrade to full frame rather than buy expensive EF-S. I decided a while ago to commit to the Canon APS-C ecosystem, I refuse to buy a less than optimal EF focal range just because I may change to a full frame eco systems one day. It is however nice having access to EF lenses where it makes sense.

 

[Luds34]

Its such a shame that in order to get excellent wide angle shots you have to buy a full frame camera.

The 8-15L on crop is an absolutely wonderful combination. It's my second most-used lens on crop.

There doesn't seem to be anything in the Canon range for APS-C cameras to compete with the EF-14mm or EF 16-35mm in the full frame world.

10-18STM, 10-22, Sigma 8-16.

Just want to add the Tokina 11-16 has been a long time favorite of enthusiasts for APS-C. I got a number of great shots with that lens and loved that it was f/2.8 and could let it some light if needed.

 

[insanitybeard]

Personally I would like to see a compact 10mm ultrawide, as I already own the 16-35L (f4 version) it would allow me to sell the EF-S 10-22 and have a more compact lens for when I needed wider than 16mm. The longer focal lengths are already (mostly) covered by existing EF glass but there is no APS-C compact ultrawide prime!

 

[ahsanford]

Now that said. The EF-S 10-22mm USM lens is up for a update and it is a special case lens as its one of the few if the ONLY enthusiast grade lens made for the EF-S mount. This is becuase it fills the gap for APS-C users that use higher end EF lenses on their APS-C bodies like say the 24-105mm L or 24-70. Thus the 10-22mm fills that gap and why it also cost more then $500 bucks..

Edit: I think technically the new EF-S 18-135mm Nano USM may be considered a enthusiast grade EF-S lens..

Enthusiast-grade isn't really a thing, but I think I get what you mean. I generally tie that to the presence of USM:

EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM / Nano
EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM (2004)
EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM (2006)
EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM Macro (2005)
EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM (2009)
EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (2004)

As you can see, many of these came out in the immediate wake of the first Digital Rebel in 2004. Canon was rolling out a system and I think they had a much rosier outlook of people investing in EF-S glass back then.

You can argue -- rightly or wrongly -- that the 10-18 IS STM lens was a refresh of the 10-22, but the others on that list have gone begging. Many of those older lenses would benefit from an update.

- A

 

[ExodistPhotography]

Enthusiast-grade isn't really a thing, but I think I get what you mean. I generally tie that to the presence of USM:

EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM / Nano
EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM (2004)
EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM (2006)
EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM Macro (2005)
EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM (2009)
EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (2004)

As you can see, many of these came out in the immediate wake of the first Digital Rebel in 2004. Canon was rolling out a system and I think they had a much rosier outlook of people investing in EF-S glass back then.

You can argue -- rightly or wrongly -- that the 10-18 IS STM lens was a refresh of the 10-22, but the others on that list have gone begging. Many of those older lenses would benefit from an update.

- A

Well the 17-85 and 15-85 was likely just Canon trying to figure out what optical solution works the best. Mostly since one came out in 2004 and the other 2009. Which is a 5 year gap. Another reason for the update was the change in Canons mind set that standard lenses started at 28mm, but then Canon moved to 24mm. Which is why the update was at 15mm. These were not consider Enthusiast level lenses. The first lens was released since the kit lens at the time did not have IS at first and was a micro motor IIRC. It is odd as heck that Canon would release the 15-85mm lens the same year as the first 18-135mm..

Now the 17-55 is a whole seperate beast since it was a f/2.8 zoom and other improved optics. Its also why it has hung around so long. This was is considered Enthusiast level lens. Mostly becuase of its optical configuration since it had 2 ultra low dispersion elements which was normally reserved for L lens. The 10-22 also has a UD element. The 17-85 and 15-85 did not.

Now the EFS 60mm Macro. I had completely forgot about this lens. This could be the one Canon is updating. It came out in 2005. So its 12yo and due for an update. But I do hope if they make a macro its at least 90mm.. 50-60mm on APS-C is still to close.. I have trouble lighting things sometimes even with a macro ring light..

But the point is USM does not mean Enthusiast lens. I do not think Canon has ever officially announced this, however I have seen them referred to as such on Canon websites from other countries. But its more of what they put into the lens and who they were marketing it to, at least for APS-C lenses go..
But all full frame non-L EF lenses are considered enthusiast level lenses. Simply becuase they are not entry level EF-S lenses, but also not L lenses.. With the exception of anything STM.. STM is entry level.

This is also why we have 3 levels of the 50mm Lens..
50 f/1.2L = Pro
50 f/1.4 USM = Enthusiast
50 f/1.8 II/STM = Entry Level

 

[ahsanford]

But the point is USM does not mean Enthusiast lens. I do not think Canon has ever officially announced this, however I have seen them referred to as such on Canon websites from other countries.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'enthusiast' in the photographic world is simply a term for a non-professional photographer who loves buying gear and talking about it online. Seeing as the term does not exist from Canon's perspective :, arguing over what we think it means seems a bit silly.

- A

 

[jolyonralph]

Its such a shame that in order to get excellent wide angle shots you have to buy a full frame camera.

I have a bunch of wide angle lenses, and a bunch of bodies, full-frame and APS-C. In general I would use the 16-35mm f/4L on the 5DSR for general wideangle, switching to the Laowa 12mm f/2.8 for really-really-wide.

But some of my very best wide angle shots have been taken with a humble EOS 1100D converted for infrared, using the EF-S 10-22 and, more recently the EF-S 10-18 - both of which are really, really good for the money (especially the later). Now granted with infrared chromatic issues aren't a real problem, but even when I've used the lenses on a 7D I've been happy.

And the EF-M 11-22 on the EOS M3 is very good too.

Considering the price differential of APS-C kit in general with FF kit, the options for wideangle are really quite good on EF-S. Having said that, I think a 15-16mm prime would be a great seller.

But yes, it is a shame that to get the best quality shots you have to buy more expensive equipment. Still, that's how Canon make their money

 

[ExodistPhotography]

But the point is USM does not mean Enthusiast lens. I do not think Canon has ever officially announced this, however I have seen them referred to as such on Canon websites from other countries.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'enthusiast' in the photographic world is simply a term for a non-professional photographer who loves buying gear and talking about it online. Seeing as the term does not exist from Canon's perspective :, arguing over what we think it means seems a bit silly.

- A

Apologies, didn't mean to sound like I was arguing but instead carrying on a great conversation.
But yea, until Canon officially says something, which is likely to never ever happen. Yea it would be pointless to argue. That said now, many professional photogs get board and chat online too :-D

 

[slclick]

Its such a shame that in order to get excellent wide angle shots you have to buy a full frame camera.

I have a bunch of wide angle lenses, and a bunch of bodies, full-frame and APS-C. In general I would use the 16-35mm f/4L on the 5DSR for general wideangle, switching to the Laowa 12mm f/2.8 for really-really-wide.

But some of my very best wide angle shots have been taken with a humble EOS 1100D converted for infrared, using the EF-S 10-22 and, more recently the EF-S 10-18 - both of which are really, really good for the money (especially the later). Now granted with infrared chromatic issues aren't a real problem, but even when I've used the lenses on a 7D I've been happy.

And the EF-M 11-22 on the EOS M3 is very good too.

Considering the price differential of APS-C kit in general with FF kit, the options for wideangle are really quite good on EF-S. Having said that, I think a 15-16mm prime would be a great seller.

But yes, it is a shame that to get the best quality shots you have to buy more expensive equipment. Still, that's how Canon make their money

The 10-22 served me very well in the crop era of my digital infancy

 

[ahsanford]

Apologies, didn't mean to sound like I was arguing but instead carrying on a great conversation.
But yea, until Canon officially says something, which is likely to never ever happen. Yea it would be pointless to argue. That said now, many professional photogs get board and chat online too :-D

You're fine -- I didn't take it that way at all. And I agree, it's a strong conversation.

- A

 

[blackcoffee17]

Canon should really make a high quality standard zoom, which is weather sealed. It's strange that you can buy a solid, sealed body like the 7D2 but there are only cheap build quality lenses you can attach in the 15-100 range.

 

[ahsanford]

Canon should really make a high quality standard zoom, which is weather sealed. It's strange that you can buy a solid, sealed body like the 7D2 but there are only cheap build quality lenses you can attach in the 15-100 range.

Buying a 'pro' APS-C rig does not entitle us to 'pro' APS-C only lenses. There are wonderful lenses that will serve as a standard zoom on crop, but they just happen to be an UWA EF zoom.

- A

 

[Luds34]

Now the EFS 60mm Macro. I had completely forgot about this lens. This could be the one Canon is updating. It came out in 2005. So its 12yo and due for an update.

Problem is the EF-S 60mm is an awesome lens as is. I see no reason to "update" that one, especially when their are a million other holes to plug in the EF-S prime lineup.

 

[Loswr]

Now the EFS 60mm Macro. I had completely forgot about this lens. This could be the one Canon is updating. It came out in 2005. So its 12yo and due for an update.

Problem is the EF-S 60mm is an awesome lens as is. I see no reason to "update" that one, especially when their are a million other holes to plug in the EF-S prime lineup.

I see a reason: Hybrid IS.

 

[vscd]

Hey Canon, if you read this spare me with EF-S primes... come up with a real 28mm pancake for Fullframe. I like the 40STM and this would be the streetphotography-killerlens. 24mm would also be great.

 

[ahsanford]

Hey Canon, if you read this spare me with EF-S primes... come up with a real 28mm pancake for Fullframe. I like the 40STM and this would be the streetphotography-killerlens. 24mm would also be great.

You're OT... but I completely agree. My 40 pancake sits unused as it is a poor combination of FL and speed for me. But a wider FL pancake would work fine at f/2.8 and see regular use as a low profile build for walkaround.

- A

 

[jedy]

I wish Canon would develop lenses that match classic focal lengths (or as near as) when taking the 1.6 crop into account. As an example:

13mm - 20.8mm
15mm - 24mm
22mm - 35.2mm
53mm - 84.8mm

 

[StudentOfLight]

Now the EFS 60mm Macro. I had completely forgot about this lens. This could be the one Canon is updating. It came out in 2005. So its 12yo and due for an update.

Problem is the EF-S 60mm is an awesome lens as is. I see no reason to "update" that one, especially when their are a million other holes to plug in the EF-S prime lineup.

I see a reason: Hybrid IS.

+ Lens Integrated Lighting System

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Hey Canon, if you read this spare me with EF-S primes... come up with a real 28mm pancake for Fullframe. I like the 40STM and this would be the streetphotography-killerlens. 24mm would also be great.

I remember reading somewhere, that lenses wider than 35mm (full frame) have to be a retrofocus design, and this makes it impossible the low profile of the pancakes.

However the current EF28mm F2.8 IS remains great, and almost a pancake. So, full frame users can not whine like us, APS-C users, that we do not have any EF-S 17.5mm F2.8 IS.