*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
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Just take some facts...
I love the fact that you're OK with sub par performance from your new "general" camera... and given the fact that Canon has taken as long as they have to update the 5D3 and they're giving you THIS and you can't even see how sub par it is shocks me given what else is on the market...
Let's walk through some numbers...
The 5DS/5DSR will "process" roughly (give or take depending on many factors but I just took some recent out door images I shot) 360 MB/s of "file data". This is using 72 MB per file times the 5 FPS that the 5DSR will shoot.
The 1DX2 will "process" (same give or takes, but from recent files...) 308 MB/s. This is using 22 MB files at 14 FPS.
I know those are rough figures and all the factors that can change...
Your new 5D4, if we take something in between, and I'll even go to the higher side just to accommodate the higher side of what a 30 Mgpix file might produce... Let's say a 40 MB file... your new 5D4, that also claims to do similar 4K video to the 1DX2 (which the 5DSR will not...) will only do 280 MB/s. (I think you'd be safe to say that my 40 MB file is actually going going come in more around 34-36ish which makes the numbers even worse (238-252...) so my feeling is even more pointed that Canon is following the 5D3 with a sub par option...)
So, I'm not a rocket scientist but when the 5DSR will move more data than the 5D4 (with what we know are older processors...) and the 5D4 is a newer, "general" camera... I'm sorry... I'm really scratching my head why you're OK with this hinderance of their 5D line. Let it go Canon, make it special!!
If you want more, look at the sensor size.... We know that there are people out there getting 4K from the 5D3... of course Canon's not likely happy that people are hacking their beloved 5D3 but holy crap Canon, get off the pot here... anyway, look at what would be the next jump, 8K. We KNOW that Canon is working on 8K in their cinema line... not saying that we should have 8K in a DSLR now but just consider this... 8K (7680×4320) is 33.1776 megapix. We know that the aspect ration of video is different than stills... do I need to say more? I know a lot of people don't care about video in what they're buying as a still camera... however... 30.4 megapix... How are they going to be handling 4K out of this one that's going to make it make any sense? They're not even making the 4K video as good as the 1DC (spec wise...)... if they just simply put the 1DC in the 5D body they'd be "better"... (and they do have the capacity to do that... by just simply putting in scrap parts...)
(I'm not going to bring in the 7D2 performance cause it's just more of the same, the 7D2 processor is on par with the 1DX2 in terms of MB/s processed... so... Canon? WTF!)
I mentioned that I'm hoping the CR specs are wrong... I REALLY hope CR's got some numbers wrong because this 5D4 is pretty seriously hindered and it's not even on the street yet so something else that's not in the specs is going to have to be awfully special or Canon's gonna get flamed for this one at the checkout counter. There are TOO many other options that us diehard Canon guys have to kinda ignore when we have so much Canon glass but the general consumer that have one or two lenses (or even if you're moving up from the 80D and ONLY have EF-S lenses) can fully examine and see that Canon's STILL behind the rest of the world. DO NOT take that as a "Sony fan boy" type of statement because I HATE Sony cameras... but come on Canon, really, this is all you can do? It's pretty simple to see that's NOT true...
Sharlin said:rrcphoto said:
No no, you see, a more general camera the way the 1DX2 is a general camera :
Just take some facts...
I love the fact that you're OK with sub par performance from your new "general" camera... and given the fact that Canon has taken as long as they have to update the 5D3 and they're giving you THIS and you can't even see how sub par it is shocks me given what else is on the market...Let's walk through some numbers...
The 5DS/5DSR will "process" roughly (give or take depending on many factors but I just took some recent out door images I shot) 360 MB/s of "file data". This is using 72 MB per file times the 5 FPS that the 5DSR will shoot.
The 1DX2 will "process" (same give or takes, but from recent files...) 308 MB/s. This is using 22 MB files at 14 FPS.
I know those are rough figures and all the factors that can change...
Your new 5D4, if we take something in between, and I'll even go to the higher side just to accommodate the higher side of what a 30 Mgpix file might produce... Let's say a 40 MB file... your new 5D4, that also claims to do similar 4K video to the 1DX2 (which the 5DSR will not...) will only do 280 MB/s. (I think you'd be safe to say that my 40 MB file is actually going going come in more around 34-36ish which makes the numbers even worse (238-252...) so my feeling is even more pointed that Canon is following the 5D3 with a sub par option...)
So, I'm not a rocket scientist but when the 5DSR will move more data than the 5D4 (with what we know are older processors...) and the 5D4 is a newer, "general" camera... I'm sorry... I'm really scratching my head why you're OK with this hinderance of their 5D line. Let it go Canon, make it special!!
If you want more, look at the sensor size.... We know that there are people out there getting 4K from the 5D3... of course Canon's not likely happy that people are hacking their beloved 5D3 but holy crap Canon, get off the pot here... anyway, look at what would be the next jump, 8K. We KNOW that Canon is working on 8K in their cinema line... not saying that we should have 8K in a DSLR now but just consider this... 8K (7680×4320) is 33.1776 megapix. We know that the aspect ration of video is different than stills... do I need to say more? I know a lot of people don't care about video in what they're buying as a still camera... however... 30.4 megapix... How are they going to be handling 4K out of this one that's going to make it make any sense? They're not even making the 4K video as good as the 1DC (spec wise...)... if they just simply put the 1DC in the 5D body they'd be "better"... (and they do have the capacity to do that... by just simply putting in scrap parts...)
(I'm not going to bring in the 7D2 performance cause it's just more of the same, the 7D2 processor is on par with the 1DX2 in terms of MB/s processed... so... Canon? WTF!)
I mentioned that I'm hoping the CR specs are wrong... I REALLY hope CR's got some numbers wrong because this 5D4 is pretty seriously hindered and it's not even on the street yet so something else that's not in the specs is going to have to be awfully special or Canon's gonna get flamed for this one at the checkout counter. There are TOO many other options that us diehard Canon guys have to kinda ignore when we have so much Canon glass but the general consumer that have one or two lenses (or even if you're moving up from the 80D and ONLY have EF-S lenses) can fully examine and see that Canon's STILL behind the rest of the world. DO NOT take that as a "Sony fan boy" type of statement because I HATE Sony cameras... but come on Canon, really, this is all you can do? It's pretty simple to see that's NOT true...
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... but with SUCH an easy opportunity to make it something special... SO easy and yet... Come on Neuro, even you have to agree this isn't the "best" they can do... you're the wise analytical one on here generally... the one that didn't upgrade his 1DX because the X2 isn't enough better...
neuroanatomist said:instaimage said:
The specs are quite likely correct. So...don't buy one – I'm sure Canon will be heartbroken. :
A camera with those specs will do just fine in the market, your objections notwithstanding.
... but with SUCH an easy opportunity to make it something special... SO easy and yet... Come on Neuro, even you have to agree this isn't the "best" they can do... you're the wise analytical one on here generally... the one that didn't upgrade his 1DX because the X2 isn't enough better...
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People forget: the goal of any corporation is not "special," it's "profitable." "Special" costs special amounts of money to develop and support. New and innovative features can be less reliable for pros who rely on them to "just work."
Of course it isn't, but that doesn't matter at all. Nikon and Sony (and others) keep putting out their "best" stuff and keep getting killed by Canon in the market. Rather than gripe about Canon, people should gripe that those other companies haven't fixed whatever is wrong with their products to make them better sellers.
If a few hundred thousand others made the same decision it would affect Canon's market strategy; one, or even a few thousand, will not.
instaimage said:neuroanatomist said:instaimage said:
The specs are quite likely correct. So...don't buy one – I'm sure Canon will be heartbroken. :
A camera with those specs will do just fine in the market, your objections notwithstanding.
... but with SUCH an easy opportunity to make it something special
People forget: the goal of any corporation is not "special," it's "profitable." "Special" costs special amounts of money to develop and support. New and innovative features can be less reliable for pros who rely on them to "just work."
Of course it isn't, but that doesn't matter at all. Nikon and Sony (and others) keep putting out their "best" stuff and keep getting killed by Canon in the market. Rather than gripe about Canon, people should gripe that those other companies haven't fixed whatever is wrong with their products to make them better sellers.
If a few hundred thousand others made the same decision it would affect Canon's market strategy; one, or even a few thousand, will not.
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Yeah, you're totally right. They should have made the 5DIV with 10 fps, unlimited buffer, 200 cross-type f/8 points, and real gold-plating and sold it for $600 including the 24-70/2.8L II as a kit lens. Such a missed opportunity for Canon to make it 'special'. :
Some people...
instaimage said:
Yeah, you're totally right. They should have made the 5DIV with 10 fps, unlimited buffer, 200 cross-type f/8 points, and real gold-plating and sold it for $600 including the 24-70/2.8L II as a kit lens. Such a missed opportunity for Canon to make it 'special'. :
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Some people...
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WHAT! OK... you said it's not about making special, it's about making money... the way Canon now makes money is selling bodies and lenses... they have a consumer that has the glass so they now need to make something compelling enough that they will upgrade... which is in this case a body we're talking about... and you're saying that it's OK that we're not going to upgrade... a person that is on the Canon hook for essentially life, isn't going to upgrade to a body that is aimed at them... and that's your plan for Canon making money?
I absolutely will concede they're going to sell a lot of these cameras, I'll might get one too simply because it does/has things my wife wants in our family camera that other's won't have (FF, touch screen) but your logic of it not mattering that the people that the body is really aimed at won't be upgrading is not working for me...
Canon has made a lot of little incremental changes to the 1DX2 that are very specifically aimed at 1DX users and having had four 1DX bodies and now three 1DX2 bodies, I appreciate those little things even more the more I use the camera... however I'm going back and looking at the 5D3 specs again to see if that's not the camera I'm going to buy (after already having had two...) instead of the 5D4 because for what I'm wanting in a camera of this type, there's only one thing that this offers me that the 5D3 doesn't... a touch screen... and now I need to make the decision if a touch screen is worth $1k....
A few "better" specs on this 5D4 and I'm all over it... but, and I agree, this spec list is likely spot on... but... Really Canon?
Orangutan said:
WHAT! OK... you said it's not about making special, it's about making money... the way Canon now makes money is selling bodies and lenses... they have a consumer that has the glass so they now need to make something compelling enough that they will upgrade... which is in this case a body we're talking about... and you're saying that it's OK that we're not going to upgrade... a person that is on the Canon hook for essentially life, isn't going to upgrade to a body that is aimed at them... and that's your plan for Canon making money?
I absolutely will concede they're going to sell a lot of these cameras, I'll might get one too simply because it does/has things my wife wants in our family camera that other's won't have (FF, touch screen) but your logic of it not mattering that the people that the body is really aimed at won't be upgrading is not working for me...
Canon has made a lot of little incremental changes to the 1DX2 that are very specifically aimed at 1DX users and having had four 1DX bodies and now three 1DX2 bodies, I appreciate those little things even more the more I use the camera... however I'm going back and looking at the 5D3 specs again to see if that's not the camera I'm going to buy (after already having had two...) instead of the 5D4 because for what I'm wanting in a camera of this type, there's only one thing that this offers me that the 5D3 doesn't... a touch screen... and now I need to make the decision if a touch screen is worth $1k....
A few "better" specs on this 5D4 and I'm all over it... but, and I agree, this spec list is likely spot on... but... Really Canon?
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My aren't we snarky this morning...
neuroanatomist said:instaimage said:
Yeah, you're totally right. They should have made the 5DIV with 10 fps, unlimited buffer, 200 cross-type f/8 points, and real gold-plating and sold it for $600 including the 24-70/2.8L II as a kit lens. Such a missed opportunity for Canon to make it 'special'. :
Orangutan said:
Some people...
My aren't we snarky this morning...
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Why?
Why would I take camera advice from somebody who doesn't even know what type of camera they are using?
romanr74 said:
Why?
Why would I take camera advice from somebody who doesn't even know what type of camera they are using?
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I am not sure that upgraders are their target (or the target of any serious camera manufacturer). I suspect their main target is people 'upgrading' from APS-C or the 6D to a camera more suited to wildlife/sports. That is what keeps their reputation high.
So remind me precisely what it is that Canon have done wrong?
instaimage said:
I am not sure that upgraders are their target (or the target of any serious camera manufacturer). I suspect their main target is people 'upgrading' from APS-C or the 6D to a camera more suited to wildlife/sports. That is what keeps their reputation high.
It seems current specs are worth upgrading for.instaimage said:
So remind me precisely what it is that Canon have done wrong?
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You're disappointed. We get it...but really, so what? Canon has been making dSLRs for a long time, and they've demonstrated an excellent track record of predicting what the market as a whole wants in a dSLR. So the evidence in favor of them having chosen correctly for spec set in the 5DIV – correctly meaning what features will yield the most profit – is well over a decade of selling more dSLRs than anyone else in the market...and the evidence that they've chosen the wrong set of features is...that you're disappointed.
So, yes...Really, Canon.
BTW, I love it when people say 'it sucks' then two lines later say 'I'll probably buy one'. Really adds to their credibility, y'know?
So, your contention seems to be that the primary target market for the 5DIV is 5DIII owners looking to upgrade. Why? Have you considered that the primary target market may be 6D and 7DII owners? And 5DII owners who didn't get a 5DIII? And xxD owners? Sure, they'll include features that will appeal to current 5DIII owners, but there are a lot more people out there with cameras further down the line and/or with a 5DII. Personally, I suspect they are the target market to whom the spec set is intended to appeal, and upgrading 5DIII owners are just a bonus.
instaimage said:
You're disappointed. We get it...but really, so what? Canon has been making dSLRs for a long time, and they've demonstrated an excellent track record of predicting what the market as a whole wants in a dSLR. So the evidence in favor of them having chosen correctly for spec set in the 5DIV – correctly meaning what features will yield the most profit – is well over a decade of selling more dSLRs than anyone else in the market...and the evidence that they've chosen the wrong set of features is...that you're disappointed.
So, yes...Really, Canon.
BTW, I love it when people say 'it sucks' then two lines later say 'I'll probably buy one'. Really adds to their credibility, y'know?
instaimage said:
So, your contention seems to be that the primary target market for the 5DIV is 5DIII owners looking to upgrade. Why? Have you considered that the primary target market may be 6D and 7DII owners? And 5DII owners who didn't get a 5DIII? And xxD owners? Sure, they'll include features that will appeal to current 5DIII owners, but there are a lot more people out there with cameras further down the line and/or with a 5DII. Personally, I suspect they are the target market to whom the spec set is intended to appeal, and upgrading 5DIII owners are just a bonus.
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You're almost there: yes, it's about selling, but not about selling to an individual person with a unique set of needs. It's more about finding the "peak profit" spot where the cost of R&D&M&D&S (manufacturing and distribution and support) is small enough that the revenue from sales of the body, lenses and other accessories creates maximal profit. To do that, a company will carry out market analysis over a period of time. For over a decade, Canon's marketing team has kicked-@$$ on that.
If you want to know what Canon will sell next, stop thinking about what you want, and think about what the ten-thousands of customers will pay for.
instaimage said:
You're almost there: yes, it's about selling, but not about selling to an individual person with a unique set of needs. It's more about finding the "peak profit" spot where the cost of R&D&M&D&S (manufacturing and distribution and support) is small enough that the revenue from sales of the body, lenses and other accessories creates maximal profit. To do that, a company will carry out market analysis over a period of time. For over a decade, Canon's marketing team has kicked-@$$ on that.
If you want to know what Canon will sell next, stop thinking about what you want, and think about what the ten-thousands of customers will pay for.
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Speaking as a current 5D mark III owner and a week away from being a 1DX mark II owner, I'm definitely going to upgrade my 5D Mark III based off the rumors right now. I was originally hoping the 1DX mark II would be 22-24 megapixels so that it could totally replace my 5D mark III, but since it's only 20 I definitely see a place in my kit for a 5D mark IV if it keeps the same ISO quality as the mark III. Instead of having the 5D mark III exclusively as a second camera, I could make a 5D mark IV my main landscape-fine art camera along with being a great second body to my 1DX mark II.
Let's remember that this upgrade will also boost dynamic range quite a lot with Canon's new sensor tech. Plus you get anti-flicker, customized Q menu, GPS, WIFI, 7 FPS, 30 MP, touch screen, DPAF, etc. I'd say modernizing the 5D mark III is worth it enough for me, there's so much that Canon has improved on since the 5D mark III came out, and as a career photographer it just makes sense to keep up with these improvements.
Hopefully the 5D Mark III doesn't lose too much of its price by the time the Mark IV comes out-- it would be nice to only need to drop $1,000 on the Mark IV.
neuroanatomist said:
Speaking as a current 5D mark III owner and a week away from being a 1DX mark II owner, I'm definitely going to upgrade my 5D Mark III based off the rumors right now. I was originally hoping the 1DX mark II would be 22-24 megapixels so that it could totally replace my 5D mark III, but since it's only 20 I definitely see a place in my kit for a 5D mark IV if it keeps the same ISO quality as the mark III. Instead of having the 5D mark III exclusively as a second camera, I could make a 5D mark IV my main landscape-fine art camera along with being a great second body to my 1DX mark II.
Let's remember that this upgrade will also boost dynamic range quite a lot with Canon's new sensor tech. Plus you get anti-flicker, customized Q menu, GPS, WIFI, 7 FPS, 30 MP, touch screen, DPAF, etc. I'd say modernizing the 5D mark III is worth it enough for me, there's so much that Canon has improved on since the 5D mark III came out, and as a career photographer it just makes sense to keep up with these improvements.
Hopefully the 5D Mark III doesn't lose too much of its price by the time the Mark IV comes out-- it would be nice to only need to drop $1,000 on the Mark IV.
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Do you think you will buy one Neuro?
I presume you have the 1DX II already - would you find it a tempting camera to buy?
Personally I think the 5DIII is still a great camera. The 5D IV is all round probably going to be better.
Because I got the 5DSR I probably won't upgrade until the 5DIII packs in.
Without the 5DSR I probably would have been an ideal candidate to purchase it.
The 5D IV will do well for Canon
[/quote] So, your contention seems to be that the primary target market for the 5DIV is 5DIII owners looking to upgrade. Why? Have you considered that the primary target market may be 6D and 7DII owners? And 5DII owners who didn't get a 5DIII? And xxD owners? Sure, they'll include features that will appeal to current 5DIII owners, but there are a lot more people out there with cameras further down the line and/or with a 5DII. Personally, I suspect they are the target market to whom the spec set is intended to appeal, and upgrading 5DIII owners are just a bonus.
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Do you think you will buy one Neuro?
I presume you have the 1DX II already - would you find it a tempting camera to buy?
Personally I think the 5DIII is still a great camera. The 5D IV is all round probably going to be better.
Because I got the 5DSR I probably won't upgrade until the 5DIII packs in.
Without the 5DSR I probably would have been an ideal candidate to purchase it.
The 5D IV will do well for Canon
[/quote] So, your contention seems to be that the primary target market for the 5DIV is 5DIII owners looking to upgrade. Why? Have you considered that the primary target market may be 6D and 7DII owners? And 5DII owners who didn't get a 5DIII? And xxD owners? Sure, they'll include features that will appeal to current 5DIII owners, but there are a lot more people out there with cameras further down the line and/or with a 5DII. Personally, I suspect they are the target market to whom the spec set is intended to appeal, and upgrading 5DIII owners are just a bonus.
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Wow, I guess the the business degree and the past 21 years in business has shown me some different things...
Thanks for the chat...
I'm glad to know that Canon is so smart that they're only looking for new business from users that are climbing the photo ladder, not all the World Press Assoc folks that in majority are 5D3 users... I guess I must have missed that in my years of business training... gonna have to go back and find where I missed that part that we want to, with a few specs of a professional tool, miss the mark a bit and still make some profit, cause "some" is OK... vs. actually hitting the mark and making even more...
And Neuro, you're displaying signs of being the biggest blind fan boy that I've ever seen from you... please snap out of it... Yes, I'm disappointed in Canon with this one, particularly after the 1DX2 offering and I'd likely buy two or three of these bodies if they'd hit a little higher mark... so after selling off 5D3's and 1DX's in anticipation of the X2 and the 5D4 introduction... it's OK that I/m displaying my dissatisfaction with the 5D4 here on the forum... that's what it's for...
Thanks again for the chat... Good Day to you!
neuroanatomist said:instaimage said:
You're disappointed. We get it...but really, so what? Canon has been making dSLRs for a long time, and they've demonstrated an excellent track record of predicting what the market as a whole wants in a dSLR. So the evidence in favor of them chosen correctly for spec set in the 5DIV – correctly meaning what features will sell yield the most profit – is well over a decade of selling more dSLRs than anyone else in the market...and the evidence that they've chosen the wrong set of features is...that you're disappointed.
So, yes...Really, Canon.
BTW, I love it when people say 'it sucks' then two lines later say 'I'll probably buy one'. Really adds to their credibility, y'know?
instaimage said:
So, your contention seems to be that the primary target market for the 5DIV is 5DIII owners looking to upgrade. Why? Have you considered that the primary target market may be 6D and 7DII owners? And 5DII owners who didn't get a 5DIII? Sure, they'll include features that will appeal to current 5DIII owners, but there are a lot more people out there with cameras further down the line and/or with a 5DII. Personally, I suspect they are the target market to whom the spec set is intended to appeal, and upgrading 5DIII owners are just a bonus.
Wow, I guess the the business degree and the past 21 years in business has shown me some different things...
Thanks for the chat...
I'm glad to know that Canon is so smart that they're only looking for new business from users that are climbing the photo ladder, not all the World Press Assoc folks that in majority are 5D3 users... I guess I must have missed that in my years of business training... gonna have to go back and find where I missed that part that we want to, with a few specs of a professional tool, miss the mark a bit and still make some profit, cause "some" is OK... vs. actually hitting the mark and making even more...
And Neuro, you're displaying signs of being the biggest blind fan boy that I've ever seen from you... please snap out of it... Yes, I'm disappointed in Canon with this one, particularly after the 1DX2 offering and I'd likely buy two or three of these bodies if they'd hit a little higher mark... so after selling off 5D3's and 1DX's in anticipation of the X2 and the 5D4 introduction... it's OK that I/m displaying my dissatisfaction with the 5D4 here on the forum... that's what it's for...
Thanks again for the chat... Good Day to you!
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Yep, I could do that. I like to have choices. The 1DxII will probably be better in low light than the 5DIV, but who knows. I don't go by specs, I like to shoot the camera and make my own determination. So far, the 1DxII is a great camera. Can't wait to see what the 5DIV can do for me.
tron said:Hmmm, now there will be three bird cameras. You could use 5DIV for the big - not small - birds and 5DsR for the small ones. Choices, choicesrbielefeld said:
Yep, I could do that. I like to have choices. The 1DxII will probably be better in low light than the 5DIV, but who knows. I don't go by specs, I like to shoot the camera and make my own determination. So far, the 1DxII is a great camera. Can't wait to see what the 5DIV can do for me.
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I bought four 1DX's. I bought three 1DX2's. I've had two 5D3's. I've had two 5DSR's.
I'm actually per capita, WAY ahead in purchases of Canon's higher end bodies than the larger majority of the people buying these cameras so I have a feeling that thinking about what I want in a camera of this level is pretty spot on.
I buy and use a lot of Canon gear, it's very much OK that I'm disappointed (and expressing so here, sorry it disagrees with you this morning...)....
Thanks again for the chat...
Orangutan said:
I bought four 1DX's. I bought three 1DX2's. I've had two 5D3's. I've had two 5DSR's.
I'm actually per capita, WAY ahead in purchases of Canon's higher end bodies than the larger majority of the people buying these cameras so I have a feeling that thinking about what I want in a camera of this level is pretty spot on.
I buy and use a lot of Canon gear, it's very much OK that I'm disappointed (and expressing so here, sorry it disagrees with you this morning...)....
Thanks again for the chat...
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I guess you know more than the collective experience of the business staff at the market-leading dSLR manufacturer. You must be very proud of yourself!
Of course...it's absolutely fine! The problem is that you've turned your personal disappointment into a statement that the 5DIV will sell poorly....with no evidence to back that up (the fact that you've bought lots of Canon gear doesn't turn your opinion into evidence!).
instaimage said:
I guess you know more than the collective experience of the business staff at the market-leading dSLR manufacturer. You must be very proud of yourself!
instaimage said:
Of course...it's absolutely fine! The problem is that you've turned your personal disappointment into a statement that the 5DIV will sell poorly....with no evidence to back that up (the fact that you've bought lots of Canon gear doesn't turn your opinion into evidence!).
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