*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Speaking as a current 5D mark III owner and a week away from being a 1DX mark II owner, I'm definitely going to upgrade my 5D Mark III based off the rumors right now. I was originally hoping the 1DX mark II would be 22-24 megapixels so that it could totally replace my 5D mark III, but since it's only 20 I definitely see a place in my kit for a 5D mark IV if it keeps the same ISO quality as the mark III. Instead of having the 5D mark III exclusively as a second camera, I could make a 5D mark IV my main landscape-fine art camera along with being a great second body to my 1DX mark II.

I'm right there in that (almost) exact same camp with you. Except I have a 5DSR too that already fills my higher MP needs. I was really hoping the DX2 would have the 22-24 range to be my 5D3 replacement, but 20.2 is close enough for me and partly the reason why I've decided to buy the DX2 instead of upgrading my 5D3 to 5D4. I need the versatility of the DX2 a lot more than I need 30MP (especially when I already have 50MP)

 

[PureClassA]

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Perfectly stated. Thank you!

Let's face it, none of us knows what Canon's business strategy is. All the business degrees and business experience in the world won't change that.

But, the unarguable fact is that whatever Canon's business strategy might be, it has worked quite well for them for nearly a century and it continues to work for them.

My opinion, and it is only an opinion, is that Canon probably knows that a lot, maybe a majority, of their customers are "alternating model" buyers. People who skip a generation. Maybe the 5DIV won't be a compelling upgrade for 5DIII owners, but it is a huge step up for 5DII owners.

They are also probably looking at upgraders as well. I decided to forgo the 5DIV and go to the 1DX II because it better suits my own business needs. Canon isn't losing any money on my decision. There may well be a lot of 6D owners who decide to move up the chain to the 5D IV. And, there will probably be some 70D owners who make the leap to the 5DIV.

Finally, I'm sure they know their business customers very well and while those are a small group of people, they may upgrade to a new model every cycle simple because of their own use and needs. Their cameras may not last more than one cycle.

When someone on this forum lists all the cameras they happen to own, I wonder what they are trying to prove. If they are in business, I assume they bought those cameras for a business reason. If they are consumers who like to collect cameras, well that's nice, but Canon doesn't base it's business model on you, they would go broke if they did. There aren't enough buyers that fit into that category.

I have no problem with someone saying they don't care for a particular model or think it was a mistake to put or not put a certain feature into a camera. But, like many others here, I don't give any credibility to anyone who argues that a decision they don't like is evidence that Canon doesn't know its own business and customers. They know us far better than we realized.

 

[Loswr]

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Neuro, you're saying that Canon knows all and whatever they put out is because they're the smartest and they're going to make tremendous profits because they're the smartest DSLR company in the world...

That's Fan Boy... that's NOT you...

I have not and am not saying anything of the sort. Apparently a business degree and 21 years of experience doesn't confer reading comprehension ability. How sad.

"... collective experience of the business staff at the market-leading dSLR manufacturer."

Sorry, my inference... I apologize "all knowing one of all things Canon"... Go Neuro!

No worries. I was not suggesting that Canon's business staff knows all...just that they know more about dSLR marketing than you. Hope that clarifies.

 

[Loswr]

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Gosh, I've not been around CR much recently, I'm surprised how rare this is now. I've read through like twenty pages and this is the first 'most of the photographers I know* have switched to Sony' bullpoop from a new forum user.

Would something change if I tell you that this 20 users are top D.P in Los Angeles?

Yes, what changes is that while before it was merely quite likely, now it's a certainty that you're talking out of your ass. Well done!

Read, watch, study and stop talking about my ass:

This ones are public...

Do you know John Pardue ???
"Cinematographer John Pardue wrote in with details of how he used the new Sony A7s camera to capture an exciting nighttime action sequence as part of his work on the first two episodes of Stan Lee’s Lucky Man for Sky One,
"The chance to do large-scale action on British TV appealed enormously to Andy, and one of the biggest challenges was a nighttime boat chase along The Thames. Unlike 007 James Bond SPECTRE, we didn’t have a huge budget to light up the river; plus we only had four nights and one tank day to shoot the whole sequence."

https://britishcinematographer.co.uk/john-pardue-stan-lees-lucky-man/

http://www.alejandrodp.com/music-video-with-sony-a7s-4k-with-odyssey-7q/

http://billtotolo.blogspot.com/2015/06/sony-a7s-shooting-feature-with-pair-of.html

http://www.fourbentcorners.com/behind-the-scenes/2014/7/21/sony-alpha-a7s-first-impression-part-1-photography

http://www.richardfoxphotography.com/day-sony-europe/

http://www.diyphotography.net/sonys-a7s-tested-in-the-middle-of-the-night-yielding-impressive-results/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT6Ui6rQI8k

http://staffmeup.com/profile/kennya

https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/article/broadcast-products-videography-how-to-shoot-2k-4k

http://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/a7s-vs-red-epic-dragon-technically-landslide-victory/

http://www.ziadoakes.com/news/travelling-sony-a7s

Ah and look at this: The Cage for the Sony A7S arrived in American Society of Cinematographers
web shop: http://store.ascmag.com/product-p/sku16761.htm
I know just for the desk... :

Wow, so that's 17 of 21 people now? Gee, that's so impressive. Well done!

http://www.canon.com

 

[Mr. Milo]

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Neuro, you're saying that Canon knows all and whatever they put out is because they're the smartest and they're going to make tremendous profits because they're the smartest DSLR company in the world...

That's Fan Boy... that's NOT you...

I have not and am not saying anything of the sort. Apparently a business degree and 21 years of experience doesn't confer reading comprehension ability. How sad.

"... collective experience of the business staff at the market-leading dSLR manufacturer."

Sorry, my inference... I apologize "all knowing one of all things Canon"... Go Neuro!

No worries. I was not suggesting that Canon's business staff knows all...just that they know more about dSLR marketing than you. Hope that clarifies.

Yup. If the Mark IV doesn't use CFast 2.0, Canon did us a huge effin' favor and that's with 4K at 30 FPS. That's if it's true. They know us. LOL.

 

[jeffa4444]

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Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy?

Probably depends on the markup.

Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

Common features found in broadcast lenses that aren't common for cine lenses:
Bizarre zoom ratios
Zoom preset points
Motorised zoom
Digital realtime, highly accurate, readout of current zoom/focus/aperture (really important for vr/ar)

You can have highly accurate readout on some cine lenses such as the Cooke i lenses, Zeiss Master Primes with i function and Panavision P70 lenses (which also have built-in motors). Cine lenses are a very different beast to TV lenses and lenses like the Panavision P70s are about as perfect as you can make a lens currently.

 

[Jack Douglas]

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instaimage, if I had to bet money, is a fake. Simply not displaying enough intelligence to deserve attention.

These threads, so close to an announcement sure become a drag although there is still some helpful information to be gleaned. I will not buy the 1DX II until after the full specs are out because my shooting history shows I am often reach limited (and can't afford the $ or weight of a longer lens) and staying with 20 MP (1DX II) moving from the 6D is somewhat disappointing. I cannot justify a 5DS backed by a 6D for my shooting needs as my only two cameras so the 5D IV might just be an option rather than the 1DX II. However, there are all those 1 level features that muddy the water (exposure linked to focus, lit focus points, etc.).

I'd like to hear what others that are in essentially the same situation, are thinking.

Jack

 

[bholliman]

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The 5D MkIV specs look good from my perspective, solid advancement in features and capability across the board.

I will not be buying one in the near future as I'm happy with my 5DsR/6D combo for landscape and occasional portraits and family shots.

 

[jeffa4444]

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Canon has the opportunity to make a "remarkable" camera and they crap this turd... WTF Canon?

Flame me all you want, I own 3 1DX2's and a 5DSR, was wanting a smaller body 5D-ish body that was more "friendly" and closer to the 1DX2 (I'd even take a 1DX is a smaller body...) in resolution than the monster 5DSR (very "use" specific body for me...) and wanted a more "general" camera... and THIS is what they're giving us?

HUGELY disappointing Canon... I'm really hoping CR is wrong on a few specs but I'm guessing that won't come out to be true...

that's kind of weird .. what is being described is a more general camera.

No no, you see, a more general camera the way the 1DX2 is a general camera :

Just take some facts...

I love the fact that you're OK with sub par performance from your new "general" camera... and given the fact that Canon has taken as long as they have to update the 5D3 and they're giving you THIS and you can't even see how sub par it is shocks me given what else is on the market...

Let's walk through some numbers...

The 5DS/5DSR will "process" roughly (give or take depending on many factors but I just took some recent out door images I shot) 360 MB/s of "file data". This is using 72 MB per file times the 5 FPS that the 5DSR will shoot.

The 1DX2 will "process" (same give or takes, but from recent files...) 308 MB/s. This is using 22 MB files at 14 FPS.

I know those are rough figures and all the factors that can change...

Your new 5D4, if we take something in between, and I'll even go to the higher side just to accommodate the higher side of what a 30 Mgpix file might produce... Let's say a 40 MB file... your new 5D4, that also claims to do similar 4K video to the 1DX2 (which the 5DSR will not...) will only do 280 MB/s. (I think you'd be safe to say that my 40 MB file is actually going going come in more around 34-36ish which makes the numbers even worse (238-252...) so my feeling is even more pointed that Canon is following the 5D3 with a sub par option...)

So, I'm not a rocket scientist but when the 5DSR will move more data than the 5D4 (with what we know are older processors...) and the 5D4 is a newer, "general" camera... I'm sorry... I'm really scratching my head why you're OK with this hinderance of their 5D line. Let it go Canon, make it special!!

If you want more, look at the sensor size.... We know that there are people out there getting 4K from the 5D3... of course Canon's not likely happy that people are hacking their beloved 5D3 but holy crap Canon, get off the pot here... anyway, look at what would be the next jump, 8K. We KNOW that Canon is working on 8K in their cinema line... not saying that we should have 8K in a DSLR now but just consider this... 8K (7680×4320) is 33.1776 megapix. We know that the aspect ration of video is different than stills... do I need to say more? I know a lot of people don't care about video in what they're buying as a still camera... however... 30.4 megapix... How are they going to be handling 4K out of this one that's going to make it make any sense? They're not even making the 4K video as good as the 1DC (spec wise...)... if they just simply put the 1DC in the 5D body they'd be "better"... (and they do have the capacity to do that... by just simply putting in scrap parts...)

(I'm not going to bring in the 7D2 performance cause it's just more of the same, the 7D2 processor is on par with the 1DX2 in terms of MB/s processed... so... Canon? WTF!)

I mentioned that I'm hoping the CR specs are wrong... I REALLY hope CR's got some numbers wrong because this 5D4 is pretty seriously hindered and it's not even on the street yet so something else that's not in the specs is going to have to be awfully special or Canon's gonna get flamed for this one at the checkout counter. There are TOO many other options that us diehard Canon guys have to kinda ignore when we have so much Canon glass but the general consumer that have one or two lenses (or even if you're moving up from the 80D and ONLY have EF-S lenses) can fully examine and see that Canon's STILL behind the rest of the world. DO NOT take that as a "Sony fan boy" type of statement because I HATE Sony cameras... but come on Canon, really, this is all you can do? It's pretty simple to see that's NOT true...

You gave me a good laugh about 8K! Hell a Canon 5D MKIII with 4K was a laugh also.

8K Cinema doesn't exist, may never exist. Most multiplex screens have a 55-56ft diagonal. To see optimum 2K you need to sit roughly in the middle seats from the front, change that to 4K the first three rows, change than to 8K no mans land between the screen & the first row. 8K is more about oversampling & retaining a wider color gamut such as Rec.2020.
Japan is pushing 8K through NHK, Red is giving you 8K primarily to oversample and shoot vistavision for a shallower depth of field (creative choices). The day we purchase 8K TVs will be the day we start to screw our brains and optical receptors, humans field of view is roughly 40 degrees but we pan & scan to attain around 140%, we do this without thinking about it. However peripheral vision is not sharp only the centre field so standing close to an 8K TV to actually see 8K would be frankly a waste of time.

 

[Eldar]

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instaimage, if I had to bet money, is a fake. Simply not displaying enough intelligence to deserve attention.

These threads, so close to an announcement sure become a drag although there is still some helpful information to be gleaned. I will not buy the 1DX II until after the full specs are out because my shooting history shows I am often reach limited (and can't afford the $ or weight of a longer lens) and staying with 20 MP (1DX II) moving from the 6D is somewhat disappointing. I cannot justify a 5DS backed by a 6D for my shooting needs as my only two cameras so the 5D IV might just be an option rather than the 1DX II. However, there are all those 1 level features that muddy the water (exposure linked to focus, lit focus points, etc.).

I'd like to hear what others that are in essentially the same situation, are thinking.

Jack

Jack,
To me, the 5DIV seem to be a near perfect camera for your needs (if I have them right). 30MP, with good cropping capability, most likely good low light performance, better noise performance and improved DR. 7 fps is a big improvement over the 6D and most likely plenty for 99% of what you shoot. 4k video (no 60 fps though) is included, with touch screen and DPAF. The AF system will (minimum) be on par with the 5DSR (which is great). Only possible downside is the lack of metering following AF point, but that is still just speculation (it should be included). But I manage with the 5DSR, so I assume you will with a 5DIV. And, it is half the weight of a 1DXII and probably +2k$ available for good glass.

Your choice

 

[Phil Lowe]

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...people should gripe that those other companies haven't fixed whatever is wrong with their products to make them better sellers.

The Nikon D500 is a pretty special camera. I bought one for my wife for our 33rd wedding anniversary. When she's not shooting it, I like to take it out with my 7D MkII. Both are great cameras, but the D500 is going to force Canon to up its game with the 7D MkIII.

 

[Dave Del Real]

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...The Nikon D500 is a pretty special camera. I bought one for my wife for our 33rd wedding anniversary. When she's not shooting it, I like to take it out with my 7D MkII. Both are great cameras, but the D500 is going to force Canon to up its game with the 7D MkIII.

An impending firmware update to the 7D2 may fix that...(assuming Canon gets it right).

 

[rrcphoto]

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The 1DX2 will "process" (same give or takes, but from recent files...) 308 MB/s. This is using 22 MB files at 14 FPS.

to be fair. the 1DX Mark II has 3 DiGiC's .. one dedicated to AF/AE and the other two simply for image processing. the 5D Mark IV will not that. the 1DX Mark II also has a big honking battery and heatsink.

The 5Ds throughput, yes, it's under that .. however consider that the CIPA rating of the 5D Mark III is 950 while the CIPA of the 5Ds was 700.

Food for thought.

 

[Orangutan]

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...people should gripe that those other companies haven't fixed whatever is wrong with their products to make them better sellers.

The Nikon D500 is a pretty special camera. I bought one for my wife for our 33rd wedding anniversary. When she's not shooting it, I like to take it out with my 7D MkII. Both are great cameras, but the D500 is going to force Canon to up its game with the 7D MkIII.

I hope so -- we all want better products, regardless of which brand we shoot. Healthy competition benefits all buyers. Unfortunately, even the very nice D8x0 and D6x0 didn't have as much effect as they could have.

 

[jeffa4444]

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...people should gripe that those other companies haven't fixed whatever is wrong with their products to make them better sellers.

The Nikon D500 is a pretty special camera. I bought one for my wife for our 33rd wedding anniversary. When she's not shooting it, I like to take it out with my 7D MkII. Both are great cameras, but the D500 is going to force Canon to up its game with the 7D MkIII.

I'm too embedded in Canon and to old to change now but our photographic rental business has the Nikon D500 and I have to agree its a very special camera and Canon should take note. the D5 however I was underwhelmed by the 1D X MKII is a better all round product.

 

[romanr74]

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This is from 2015:
"In the end, I’m extremely pleased with the images we captured. I honestly don’t think
anyone is going to guess we shot on a DSLR. I’m glad we used the a7s under these circumstances.
I’d only consider selling the a7s if Sony releases a version with In Body Image Stabilization, and it would be nice to be able to control ISO in SLog.

Any professional image maker that thinks an a7s is a DSLR isn't one I'd be very interested in getting advice from.

That could be narrow minded...

Why?

Why would I take camera advice from somebody who doesn't even know what type of camera they are using?

You were saying advice - not "camera" advice - which is not quite the same, is it? And you might get hung up on a sort of "typo" here...

Err, I was going by the them of the thread and the point of the poster. Canon is crap for video 'everybody' is shooting Sony because it is vastly better. Yet the person who supposedly swapped brands doesn't even know what type of camera they are using.

So yes I was referring to camera advice, as was the comment I was referencing.

Again, I might just have been some sort of "typo" by a not flawless person (I know they shouldn't be here).
And still he could be able to compare and come to a personal judgement on the result of the cameras.

 

[tron]

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instaimage, if I had to bet money, is a fake. Simply not displaying enough intelligence to deserve attention.

These threads, so close to an announcement sure become a drag although there is still some helpful information to be gleaned. I will not buy the 1DX II until after the full specs are out because my shooting history shows I am often reach limited (and can't afford the $ or weight of a longer lens) and staying with 20 MP (1DX II) moving from the 6D is somewhat disappointing. I cannot justify a 5DS backed by a 6D for my shooting needs as my only two cameras so the 5D IV might just be an option rather than the 1DX II. However, there are all those 1 level features that muddy the water (exposure linked to focus, lit focus points, etc.).

I'd like to hear what others that are in essentially the same situation, are thinking.

Jack

Jack,
To me, the 5DIV seem to be a near perfect camera for your needs (if I have them right). 30MP, with good cropping capability, most likely good low light performance, better noise performance and improved DR. 7 fps is a big improvement over the 6D and most likely plenty for 99% of what you shoot. 4k video (no 60 fps though) is included, with touch screen and DPAF. The AF system will (minimum) be on par with the 5DSR (which is great). Only possible downside is the lack of metering following AF point, but that is still just speculation (it should be included). But I manage with the 5DSR, so I assume you will with a 5DIV. And, it is half the weight of a 1DXII and probably +2k$ available for good glass.

Your choice

Now Eldar an opinion: You do have 1DxII and 5DsR and you like bird photography. 5DIV falls between 1DxII and 5DsR. What would you do?
I think I know the answer: these 2 cameras are more specialized for your needs...

But if you started from scratch which would you choose?

 

[takesome1]

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There are a few glaring problems with the 5D IV that I see. There is no way I would buy this body.

The frame rate is to slow.
The pixel density isn't high enough.
Most likely the ISO improvement will not be on the level of the 1Dx II.
With the higher pixel density I doubt the buffer is deep enough.

Canon blows it again. They just ignored all my requests for a body that would do it all.

 

[instaimage]

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instaimage, if I had to bet money, is a fake. Simply not displaying enough intelligence to deserve attention.
Jack

Appreciate that bud! Hope you're ½ as successful in your life as I am... it's OK that you don't agree with me, don't need to demonstrate that you're an A$$ however...

 

[rrcphoto]

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There are a few glaring problems with the 5D IV that I see. There is no way I would buy this body.

The frame rate is to slow.
The pixel density isn't high enough.
Most likely the ISO improvement will not be on the level of the 1Dx II.
With the higher pixel density I doubt the buffer is deep enough.

Canon blows it again. They just ignored all my requests for a body that would do it all.

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