*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
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Professionals are likely even more price sensitive than enthusiasts. They have to be profitable while enthusiasts don't.
Do you know how big or small the fraction of 5D bodies being bought by enthusiasts is? I guess it is big enough for Canon to care.wockawocka said:
Professionals are likely even more price sensitive than enthusiasts. They have to be profitable while enthusiasts don't.
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No, there's definitely nothing preventing the 5D4 from having an 1DX2-like performance except Canon deciding to artificially add a bottleneck by not putting a CFast slot in it. Stupid Canon :
rrcphoto said:
No, there's definitely nothing preventing the 5D4 from having an 1DX2-like performance except Canon deciding to artificially add a bottleneck by not putting a CFast slot in it. Stupid Canon :
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Excellent point.
rrcphoto said:except some forget that the 1dx Mark II has a bitching huge heatsink and a massive freaking battery to do 4K at those speeds.
but yes, it's all on the CFast card
Excellent point.
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I'd bet real money that more 'enthusiasts' than 'professionals' buy 5-series cameras. I'd even argue that could be true for the 1-series as well, if you compare individual purchases (rather than bulk 'news agency' orders, although those are certainly diminishing as on-staff news photographers follow in the footsteps of the dodo).
FWIW, the US BLS indicates that there are currently ~125,000 professional photographers in the US.
midluk said:
I'd bet real money that more 'enthusiasts' than 'professionals' buy 5-series cameras. I'd even argue that could be true for the 1-series as well, if you compare individual purchases (rather than bulk 'news agency' orders, although those are certainly diminishing as on-staff news photographers follow in the footsteps of the dodo).
FWIW, the US BLS indicates that there are currently ~125,000 professional photographers in the US.
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forget trying to convince the crowd that more mpxls DO NOT CREATE more blur or difraction...both are already there independently of the sensor mpxls, they depende in other more fundamental factors (lens, focal used, shutter speed etc..) , what people seem to believe is that more mpx will produce blur or more difraction, they do not, more Mpxls only ALLOW you to see it more IF you display at 1:1 size.
It's like someone with foggy glasses complaining they now see more of the reality in front of their eyes when they put on contact lenses...
Displayed/printed at the same SIZE, the photo from the 5DS will beat the 5D3 in all the good metrics (noise, sharpness, acutance, color etc) and will not be any worse in the "bad" metrics (diffraction, blur)...those will only seem apparent when the 5DS photo is seen to 1:1, but then try to upscale the 5D3 photo to 2:1 (to comapre apples with apples) and the 5D3 pic quality will fall apart and on top of it, it'll show the same "blur" than the 5DS...
Mikehit said:
forget trying to convince the crowd that more mpxls DO NOT CREATE more blur or difraction...both are already there independently of the sensor mpxls, they depende in other more fundamental factors (lens, focal used, shutter speed etc..) , what people seem to believe is that more mpx will produce blur or more difraction, they do not, more Mpxls only ALLOW you to see it more IF you display at 1:1 size.
It's like someone with foggy glasses complaining they now see more of the reality in front of their eyes when they put on contact lenses...
Displayed/printed at the same SIZE, the photo from the 5DS will beat the 5D3 in all the good metrics (noise, sharpness, acutance, color etc) and will not be any worse in the "bad" metrics (diffraction, blur)...those will only seem apparent when the 5DS photo is seen to 1:1, but then try to upscale the 5D3 photo to 2:1 (to comapre apples with apples) and the 5D3 pic quality will fall apart and on top of it, it'll show the same "blur" than the 5DS...
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If 4k is correct, I expect it to be highly compressed in order to meet the CF buss speed requirements. I don't expect this to be very impressive, just a capability for the casual event photographer. It may even be limited in duration due to heat dissipation issues. We'll see...
If 4k is correct, I expect it to be highly compressed in order to meet the CF buss speed requirements. I don't expect this to be very impressive, just a capability for the casual event photographer. It may even be limited in duration due to heat dissipation issues. We'll see...
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Nope, pure speculation!
I should have put IF at the start of that ;D
If Canon deliver 7+ fps and a decent buffer on a 30mp sensor using existing CF Cards then using faster cards would be over design for me. We'll know more soon!
tron said:
Nope, pure speculation!
I should have put IF at the start of that ;D
If Canon deliver 7+ fps and a decent buffer on a 30mp sensor using existing CF Cards then using faster cards would be over design for me. We'll know more soon!
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Did some back of the envelope math and I'm not sure the CF will be the limiting factor for codecs. The 4K 30fps MJPEG on the 1DX is 500Mbps or 62.5 MBps. That looks to be within the capabilities of a CF and UHS II SD Card. And if Digic 7 makes an appearance on the 5D4, that opens up the possibilities of new codecs. It looks like 4K Bluray is delivered around 108Mbps.
Does CF mean we're not going to see RAW video a la ARRI or RED? Yup. Does it mean the 5D4 be able won't deliver the same quality of a 1DX2 (albeit at a lower frame rate)? Not necessarily.
(I personally don't have an investment in CF cards, so I'm bummed that ML won't have more bandwidth available also. But there's still the possibility of 4K clean HDMI, better codecs etc…)
East Wind Photography said:
Did some back of the envelope math and I'm not sure the CF will be the limiting factor for codecs. The 4K 30fps MJPEG on the 1DX is 500Mbps or 62.5 MBps. That looks to be within the capabilities of a CF and UHS II SD Card. And if Digic 7 makes an appearance on the 5D4, that opens up the possibilities of new codecs. It looks like 4K Bluray is delivered around 108Mbps.
Does CF mean we're not going to see RAW video a la ARRI or RED? Yup. Does it mean the 5D4 be able won't deliver the same quality of a 1DX2 (albeit at a lower frame rate)? Not necessarily.
(I personally don't have an investment in CF cards, so I'm bummed that ML won't have more bandwidth available also. But there's still the possibility of 4K clean HDMI, better codecs etc…)
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What, like the crappy 4k video from the 1DC? That shoots very good 4K in C-log to CF cards with no time limit.
East Wind Photography said:
What, like the crappy 4k video from the 1DC? That shoots very good 4K in C-log to CF cards with no time limit.
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The 5 series cameras are stills cameras primarily with video added.
I don't know any local videographers who care about stills in their bodies. None of the profitable locals use anything but mirrorless cameras except the large studios using actual video cameras.
Canon could engineer a 5D that beats current Sony and Panasonic bodies at a 3X the cost because it also has to be a great stills camera. The majority of video people would still skip the 5D. Those who have their hearts set on purchasing a 5D for video don't have Canon to blame for their frustration but their own selves. If video is your thing and you don't need a great stills camera go get a Sony or a Panasonic. You'll save a pile of money on the body and you'll be able to get a new body every year just about...
The 5D will have good video. It won't be the king of video recording. Even if it was the king of video recording the people who need great video recording still wouldn't buy it. So, it would be foolish to make the camera much more expensive for the vast majority of their purchasers (not forum commenters) by including things like CFast and 60FPS 4K.
A hobbyist might buy a 5D do 4K video primarily, but no business is going to. As was pointed out above a business has to be profitable.
Adding CFast to the 5D4 and even 60FPS 4K would not help Canon's sales. It would drive the cost of ownership up for all their clients and only provide an extra incentive to a TINY minority of potential buyers. Then next week Sony would release another 3 new bodies that do the same thing for 1/3rd the price....
Let's live in reality.
The 5 series cameras are stills cameras primarily with video added.
I don't know any local videographers who care about stills in their bodies. None of the profitable locals use anything but mirrorless cameras except the large studios using actual video cameras.
Canon could engineer a 5D that beats current Sony and Panasonic bodies at a 3X the cost because it also has to be a great stills camera. The majority of video people would still skip the 5D. Those who have their hearts set on purchasing a 5D for video don't have Canon to blame for their frustration but their own selves. If video is your thing and you don't need a great stills camera go get a Sony or a Panasonic. You'll save a pile of money on the body and you'll be able to get a new body every year just about...
The 5D will have good video. It won't be the king of video recording. Even if it was the king of video recording the people who need great video recording still wouldn't buy it. So, it would be foolish to make the camera much more expensive for the vast majority of their purchasers (not forum commenters) by including things like CFast and 60FPS 4K.
A hobbyist might buy a 5D do 4K video primarily, but no business is going to. As was pointed out above a business has to be profitable.
Adding CFast to the 5D4 and even 60FPS 4K would not help Canon's sales. It would drive the cost of ownership up for all their clients and only provide an extra incentive to a TINY minority of potential buyers. Then next week Sony would release another 3 new bodies that do the same thing for 1/3rd the price....
Let's live in reality.
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It's likely to have DPAF; leaving it out would be a bonehead move. It's in all their recent release cameras: 80D, 7DII, 1Dx II, C100 II, C300 II. DPAF is one of Canon's biggest differentiators.
If it does have DPAF I'll probably upgrade my 5D3. No DPAF, and I'll be saving US$3300
PureClassA said:
It's likely to have DPAF; leaving it out would be a bonehead move. It's in all their recent release cameras: 80D, 7DII, 1Dx II, C100 II, C300 II. DPAF is one of Canon's biggest differentiators.
If it does have DPAF I'll probably upgrade my 5D3. No DPAF, and I'll be saving US$3300
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Oh, more touchscreen functionality is sold as a feature.
There is literally no excuse for Canon not at least leaving it to the owner to decide wether or not you want cut or full touchscreen functionality on your 6k $ camera body...
Oh, more touchscreen functionality is sold as a feature.
There is literally no excuse for Canon not at least leaving it to the owner to decide wether or not you want cut or full touchscreen functionality on your 6k $ camera body...
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