*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[MrToes]

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Can't wait, both my 5d iii's are now past the 150K mark. I'll make sure to buy the Sony French Press to go with it! WiFi to a laptop for insta viewing would be a 5 star upgrade.

 

[3kramd5]

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DPAF is given. Leaving it out would be about as bad as removing LCD.

Facetious sarcasm I trust. Lack of DPAF won't inhibit your ability to shoot stills through the OVF, which is the overwhelming majority of how the 5 bodies are used. Not having a method of reviewing your images however...could present a serious problem.

Just kit it with one of these

 

[PureClassA]

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Well another site is saying they have confirmation the 5D4 will indeed have DPAF. If so I stand corrected and I am very happy with it. But I wouldnt have complained had it not

 

[tpatana]

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DPAF is given. Leaving it out would be about as bad as removing LCD.

Facetious sarcasm I trust. Lack of DPAF won't inhibit your ability to shoot stills through the OVF, which is the overwhelming majority of how the 5 bodies are used. Not having a method of reviewing your images however...could present a serious problem.

Cd player or the lack of doesn't prevent cars from moving people from A to B, but try selling new car in 2016 without one.

Same goes for dpaf in $1000+ bodies in 2016. It doesn't impact most uses of the camera, but leaving it out would raise plenty eyebrows.

 

[PureClassA]

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DPAF is given. Leaving it out would be about as bad as removing LCD.

Facetious sarcasm I trust. Lack of DPAF won't inhibit your ability to shoot stills through the OVF, which is the overwhelming majority of how the 5 bodies are used. Not having a method of reviewing your images however...could present a serious problem.

Cd player or the lack of doesn't prevent cars from moving people from A to B, but try selling new car in 2016 without one.

Same goes for dpaf in $1000+ bodies in 2016. It doesn't impact most uses of the camera, but leaving it out would raise plenty eyebrows.

CD player may not be the best anaolgy. DPAF is a unique Canon feature that has special purposes.

 

[M_S]

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Nice that below that rumour is an add from B&H for Lexar CF-cards. Nice timing

 

[mb66energy]

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DPAF is given. Leaving it out would be about as bad as removing LCD.

Facetious sarcasm I trust. Lack of DPAF won't inhibit your ability to shoot stills through the OVF, which is the overwhelming majority of how the 5 bodies are used. Not having a method of reviewing your images however...could present a serious problem.

Cd player or the lack of doesn't prevent cars from moving people from A to B, but try selling new car in 2016 without one.

Same goes for dpaf in $1000+ bodies in 2016. It doesn't impact most uses of the camera, but leaving it out would raise plenty eyebrows.

CD player may not be the best anaolgy. DPAF is a unique Canon feature that has special purposes.

Especially since new cars are now starting to appear without CD players (Bluetooth, USB & AUX in are replacing it.)

DPAF has been made out to be the thing to have for AF whilst shooting video on Canon cameras.

For the 5D4 to not have DPAF would likely impact its sales in a measurable way.

I really would appreciate DPAF for
macro stills
landscape
architecture
where composing with the display is sometimes a better option. The distance between "viewfinder" and me is helpful like in the old days with my Rolleicord with matte screen view finder (w/o pentaprism).

The best what can happen (for ME) is a DPAF + switchable OVF/EVF combo - let's see what's inside the big hump ...

 

[AvTvM]

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DPAF? So far even Canon's best implementation [80D] has not yielded Live-View AF performance on par or better than "regular run of the mill" Hybrid CD/PD-AF systems in competitor products [eg. Sony A6300 or Fuji XT-1]. Rather underwhelming and definitely much overhyped.

Will be interesting to see, whether 5D4 comes with DPAF or not [my guess is no, otherwise it would have been stated in rumoured specs] and if so, if stupid Canon finally is able to deliver really superior Live View AF performance with it.

 

[AdamBotond]

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Is it only me being a bit disappointed about the major MP increase (30 MP)? Not that I don't appreciate MP increase, on the otherhand now we can take it granted the not much improvement in IQ (high iso, dynamic range) compared to 5D III will take place (if any at all).

 

[davidj]

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Is it only me being a bit disappointed about the major MP increase (30 MP)? Not that I don't appreciate MP increase, on the otherhand now we can take it granted the not much improvement in IQ (high iso, dynamic range) compared to 5D III will take place (if any at all).

Dynamic range at low ISOs should improve by a decent amount, and it doesn't really depend on resolution. The 80D has better dynamic range at ISO 100 and 200 than the 1D X and 5D III according to http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm .

I would imagine that individual pixels might see more noise, but the pictures would be cleaner overall (or the same) when downsized. At a certain point, there's no need to have so many pixels when shooting at high ISOs, but it doesn't make the end result worse in practice.

The real downsides are that the sensor is creating more data, which means the camera has to do more to produce the same amount of photos, potentially limiting FPS, and that it requires more storage space.

 

[Maiaibing]

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Is it only me being a bit disappointed about the major MP increase (30 MP)? Not that I don't appreciate MP increase, on the otherhand now we can take it granted the not much improvement in IQ (high iso, dynamic range) compared to 5D III will take place (if any at all).

You can since the 5DS/R sensor is better than the 5DIII sensor with its 50 MPIX in all aspects: noise, DR, base iso, color etc.

I expect Canon to improve further on the 5DS/R sensor tech and have the gains of less MPIX.

Time will tell.

 

[9VIII]

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DPAF? So far even Canon's best implementation [80D] has not yielded Live-View AF performance on par or better than "regular run of the mill" Hybrid CD/PD-AF systems in competitor products [eg. Sony A6300 or Fuji XT-1]. Rather underwhelming and definitely much overhyped.

Every review I see that mentions DPAF says it's the best thing on the market for video, Canon is obviously not targeting stills with their DPAF algorithms.

 

[Antono Refa]

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There is no way I will buy this body.
It is obvious (by comparison to all the 5Ds posts) the increased pixel density will make it 34% harder to hand hold.

Only if you want to get the most out of the camera. If you're willing to get as much as you get from your current camera, then not.

 

[Antono Refa]

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There was a great deal of consensus that something around 20MP was a sweet spot for many photographers. We've hovered around there for some time for good reason, and there was praise for Canon for resisting the temptation and pressure from the marketing dudes when the 5DIII shipped with 22MP.

There was a great deal of consensus that something around 10-12MP was a sweet spot for many photographers. We've hovered around there for some time for good reason, and there was praise for Canon for resisting the temptation and pressure from the marketing dudes when the 1DIII shipped with 12MP.

It's funny how different people remember things differently. As I recall, when Nikon was at around 12 mp and Canon was climbing up toward 18 (APS-C), lots of folks were complaining that Canon had too many mp and Nikon had better quality because it had fewer mp.

Before the 5DIII came out, there were predictions that Canon would really up the mp count and lots of folks were saying that they didn't want higher megapixels. When the 1Dx and 5DIII came out with modest resolution, people seemed surprised but satisfied.

Then Nikon and Sony leapfrogged Canon and suddenly Canon was "behind." So, now, we are hearing that Canon has to have higher megapixels or it won't be competitive.

I don't print larger or crop much more than I did when I had a 450D w/ 12MP, which were a little limiting. Everything beyond 16MP is overhead. A 5MP overhead is minor. A 100% overhead? That's something else.

 

[Ozarker]

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DPAF is given. Leaving it out would be about as bad as removing LCD.

Facetious sarcasm I trust. Lack of DPAF won't inhibit your ability to shoot stills through the OVF, which is the overwhelming majority of how the 5 bodies are used. Not having a method of reviewing your images however...could present a serious problem.

Cd player or the lack of doesn't prevent cars from moving people from A to B, but try selling new car in 2016 without one.

Same goes for dpaf in $1000+ bodies in 2016. It doesn't impact most uses of the camera, but leaving it out would raise plenty eyebrows.

People still buy CD players? ??? People still buy CDs? ??? Who would want a bunch of CDs clicking around when one can put them on an MP3 player and plug it into the car's sound system. I've had no problem at all putting my old CDs on my iPod.

The analogy is poor. CDs are old tech. DPAF is new tech.

Has anybody here bought a 2016 model car and wondered about it having a CD player? Heck, I bought a new Ford Focus in 2013 (low end car) and never wondered about the CD player. Never put one in it. I haven't owned a CD in years. Why pay money for songs that ain't worth a... you get the idea. Maybe 1 or 2 hits on the whole CD?

DPAF is a given

 

[Talley]

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I've read though this whole thread and surprised myself that DPAF hasn't came up till page 18. I for one DEMAND this in the 5D4. I dont like the full body size of the 1D and prefer the 5D series to handle all my semi-pro needs. Other features that I EXPECT are:

DPAF
24-30mp is fine
15 stops dynamic range at ISO 100
7FPS at a minimum now... 8 would be icing on the cake
Latest minimum shutter menu (up to 1/8000 and auto features of 7D2... should be a given)
4K @ 30fps is fine enough for me but it's future proofing it so it's a must have
SD slot that is the latest speed and doesn't slow the camera down to a crippling 21MBps like the 5D3 had
WIFI/GPS should be in there
customizeable Q menu
SOME touch screen features even that of the 1dx but really should be similar to the 80D now
anti-flicker (should be a given but I demand this!)
better silent shutter (latest cameras are even quieter now)
A plus would be for some RAW output via HDMI for those video guys
1DXII AF enhancements with the spreaded out focus points
150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor of the 7D2 at a minimum
-4EV focus point on the center!!!... cmon' Canon
F8 focus across all points

These are ALL reasonable improvements and would be justifyable for a new camera... throw in a few little extras here and there but this IMHO should be the minimum improvements for a 5D4.

 

[AvTvM]

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the enlarged prism hump gives slight hope that Canon finally includes "2016 worthy" radio communications "trifecta":
1. WiFi (+NFC), with remote control functionality including user programmable intervalometer
2. GPS
3. Radio wireless flash commander [RT]
... each function with a separate on/off switch in menu.

BUT ... we are talking stupid Canon, so maybe 1 or max. 2 out of 3 ?

 

[TommyLee]

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two features on 1dx2 that I really like are spot link to focus point AND the ability to set min shutter speed...in ...say aperture...setting..
of all the custom features ..that is very useful...
the 8 fps with some decent RAW depth is great...30 megs is also great...
not very concerned about video...good enough for second thoughts...
care less about wifi or gps...

after that
give me a new 135 f2 (or even re-buy old one) and a STUNNING new 24-105...
and this will be last rig for me...

the 14 mk II, new 35L II , 100L macro .....and 100-400 II are just lovely...

I cant carry more ...anyway

 

[Deleted member 7828]

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Is it only me being a bit disappointed about the major MP increase (30 MP)? Not that I don't appreciate MP increase, on the otherhand now we can take it granted the not much improvement in IQ (high iso, dynamic range) compared to 5D III will take place (if any at all).

No, you are not the only one. Voiced similar concerns a few pages back...

A corresponding improvement in high ISO would help offset this, but I don't imagine there being much of one, if at all.

 

[jeffa4444]

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I've read though this whole thread and surprised myself that DPAF hasn't came up till page 18. I for one DEMAND this in the 5D4. I dont like the full body size of the 1D and prefer the 5D series to handle all my semi-pro needs. Other features that I EXPECT are:

DPAF
24-30mp is fine
15 stops dynamic range at ISO 100
7FPS at a minimum now... 8 would be icing on the cake
Latest minimum shutter menu (up to 1/8000 and auto features of 7D2... should be a given)
4K @ 30fps is fine enough for me but it's future proofing it so it's a must have
SD slot that is the latest speed and doesn't slow the camera down to a crippling 21MBps like the 5D3 had
WIFI/GPS should be in there
customizeable Q menu
SOME touch screen features even that of the 1dx but really should be similar to the 80D now
anti-flicker (should be a given but I demand this!)
better silent shutter (latest cameras are even quieter now)
A plus would be for some RAW output via HDMI for those video guys
1DXII AF enhancements with the spreaded out focus points
150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor of the 7D2 at a minimum
-4EV focus point on the center!!!... cmon' Canon
F8 focus across all points

These are ALL reasonable improvements and would be justifyable for a new camera... throw in a few little extras here and there but this IMHO should be the minimum improvements for a 5D4.

Having owned the 5DS for the past year I would add in the following:-

The improved mirror / mirror box assembly / Mirror lock-up
The better base plate (both these have improved vibration issues)
Timer (for long exposures)
Better AF for 1.4 & 2X III extenders

No one should worry about blur / shake if the camera is 30MP in reality with good practise Ive rarely seen it with the 5DS and I print often to A3 or larger. Higher ISO noise improvements / DR improvements are always welcome but the strength of the Canon system far out weighs this.
My only frustrations with the 5DS are a. write speed & b. download speeds. On some long exposures the write speed is awful as is HDR.