*UPDATED* Here's an Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap

[Josh Denver]

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Questions to admin please:

-Is it confirmed (Rumor-wise) that the 800D will come in two versions like the 750/760D? or just normalize it to 760D?

-Is it confirmed the new kit lens is STM or is this an assumption made on the existing product name?

 

[Lee Jay]

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I thought there was going to be a 150-600 competitor like a 200-500/5.6 or 200-600/5.6.

 

[James Larsen]

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I just want to see a 6DII announcement ;D

 

[goldenhusky]

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I was getting excited about the 5DIV sensor tech being applied to the already appealing 5DS line

I was dreaming about this as well.... someone might say good luck day dreaming!!! LOL

 

[unfocused]

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...The 5D4 was very "evolutionary" but the 6D2 will be revolutionary compared to the 6D...

I appreciate your optimism, I just wonder if there is some basis for it. Would you consider 19-point autofocus (probably all points f8 compatible); a second SD card slot; a 24-28 mp sensor; and folding touch screen to be revolutionary?

A nice upgrade? Yes? But, revolutionary?

 

[scyrene]

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@Canon Rumors
Can you please try to name the bodies (if known) also in their other brand-names like Canon f.e. 760D (european market) or Kiss X5 (asian market). Thanks in advance. It's always quite difficult to coop with the Txi/Txs names if you're not used to.So this will be an 800D + 810D equivalent?

Yeah, I had to go to Wikipedia to be sure what they meant. What is with the US/Japanese naming systems?!

 

[Orangutan]

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AvTvM might actually be right this time. I appreciate there's a lot of 'compulsories' in the pipeline (Rebels, 6D2, etc.), but one would think there'd be room to address some long-skipped-over areas of improvement.

Instead, they choose to address long-skipped-over areas of profit.

Let me repeat, yet again: we all want the perfect camera at a Rebel price. We want a sensor with 100Mpix, and sRAW down to 20; and we want 16-stops of DR, with lossless compression to store that in 8 bits; and we all want it weatherproof, and psychic levels of subject tracking, and a mirrorless version with an EVF with zero lag and clear, bright low-light view.

Until the competition starts eating Canon's lunch, you will see solid, incremental, unsurprising advances on products that just work.

Blame the (lack of) competition, there's no other way to look at it.

 

[Woody]

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Still hoping to see on-board flash for 6D MkII, a la Nikon D600/D750

 

[douglaurent]

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If that roadmap would be true, it would be very disappointing and only contain 1 out of approx 50 cameras and lenses I have on a personal wish list and would buy (products which all wouldn't be unrealistic looking at the competition and the market in the year 2017):

1DX2 Mirrorless 5Axis
5D4 Mirrorless 5Axis
5D 120MP 5Axis
5D 12MP Low Light 5Axis
5D Astro Camera
Medium Format 100MP Camera
C500III 4K 60fps

14-24/2.8 IS
16-35/2.8 IS
24-70/2.8 IS
70-200/2.8 IS III
200-600/5.6 IS
24-200/3.5-5.6 IS
28-300/3.5-5.6 IS II

16-300/3.5-5.6 IS
17-55/2.8 IS II
18-35/1.8 IS
50-100/1.8 IS
50-150/2.8 IS

12/2.8 IS
14/2.8 IS
18/2 IS
20/1.4 IS
20/1.8 IS
24/1.4 IS
24/1.8 IS
28/1.4 IS
28/1.8 IS
35/1.4 IS
35/1.8 IS
45/2.8 II Tiltshift
50/0.95
50/1.2 IS
50/1.8 IS
60/2 IS Macro
85/1.2 IS
85/1.8 IS
90/2.8 II Tiltshift
100/2 IS Macro
135/2 IS
180/2.8 IS Macro
200/2.8 IS

 

[ahsanford]

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Let me repeat, yet again: we all want the perfect camera at a Rebel price. We want a sensor with 100Mpix, and sRAW down to 20; and we want 16-stops of DR, with lossless compression to store that in 8 bits; and we all want it weatherproof, and psychic levels of subject tracking, and a mirrorless version with an EVF with zero lag and clear, bright low-light view.

Speak for yourself. I'm actually a reasonable person.

I don't think anything on my list was particularly extravagant. Sure, none of them are more important than a competitive new Rebel or the 6D2 -- your point is correct. But consider:

• If a new 70-300 non-L can happen, I think the non-L USM lenses might see an update someday.
  
• If an astro rig gets released every so often, perhaps someone might want to put a great lens on it for that application.
  
• 
  Canon FF mirrorless is not an if -- it's a when. 'When' could plausibly be 2017 given all the strides they've made with DPAF, viewfinders, touchscreen, etc.
  

So I don't think 1-2 of those items on my (prior posted) list arriving next year would be a delusional ask. I mean, it's not crazytown like folks pining for EF-S L lenses, f/1.0 primes to make a comeback, or AvTvM's now infamous EF-M 85mm 'fast IS pancake'.

- A

 

[Chaitanya]

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Still no replacement to prehistoric 50mm Compact macro or update to ancient 180mm usm macro. Also how about Rt(slave mode only) upgrade to speedlight 320ex? That would be useful for a people wanting RT flashes on budget.

 

[drob]

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Let me repeat, yet again: we all want the perfect camera at a Rebel price. We want a sensor with 100Mpix, and sRAW down to 20; and we want 16-stops of DR, with lossless compression to store that in 8 bits; and we all want it weatherproof, and psychic levels of subject tracking, and a mirrorless version with an EVF with zero lag and clear, bright low-light view.

Speak for yourself. I'm actually a reasonable person.

I don't think anything on my list was particularly extravagant. Sure, none of them are more important than a competitive new Rebel or the 6D2 -- your point is correct. But consider:

• If a new 70-300 non-L can happen, I think the non-L USM lenses might see an update someday.
  
• If an astro rig gets released every so often, perhaps someone might want to put a great lens on it for that application.
  
• 
  Canon FF mirrorless is not an if -- it's a when. 'When' could plausibly be 2017 given all the strides they've made with DPAF, viewfinders, touchscreen, etc.
  

So I don't think 1-2 of those items on my (prior posted) list arriving next year would be a delusional ask. I mean, it's not crazytown like folks pining for EF-S L lenses, f/1.0 primes to make a comeback, or AvTvM's now infamous EF-M 85mm 'fast IS pancake'.

- A

Why is a FF mirrorless such a desired item again? With their lackluster history with the M series, I don't think they would start off with an awesome FF mirrorless...it would be some crippled, pathetic attempt. In addition the size advantage of a pro-grade mirrorless camera is nil....how about just a 6DII that has some advanced features (like an actually competitive AF system)?

 

[ahsanford]

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Why is a FF mirrorless such a desired item again? With their lackluster history with the M series, I don't think they would start off with an awesome FF mirrorless...it would be some crippled, pathetic attempt.

Mirrorless is attractive for many reasons you can find in the forum. If you try to distill it down into a simple sound bite like "Mirrorless is all about making things smaller" you miss the point. There's more going on than that. I'm not declaring mirrorless as being better than my current SLR (5D3) and I have avoided buying mirrorless because the performance isn't there yet. But it will get there for probably 90% of us eventually, and it offers some slick functionality a traditional SLR cannot offer.

And past is not necessarily prologue here with your EOS M reference. Nerfing/crippling a product is a decision, not a failure to execute. Canon doesn't have to make that decision with FF mirrorless. Between their immense expertise with lens and camera design, proprietary tech like DPAF, their experience with EVFs, touchscreen interfaces, etc. they have all the tools they need to make a killer mirrorless offering. (One could argue the only thing Canon lacks in the mirrorless tech side of things is IBIS, which is a nice-to-have (but not a must) if you are going with a new skinny mount and plan to bolt older pre-IS lenses on to it.)

Now do I expect Canon's first FF mirrorless offering to be a a 5D4-level polished gem without a mirror? No. But it will not be horrendously nerfed, lack a damn viewfinder, etc. like they had with EOS M, M2, M3, etc. It will be a solid offering as they'll be asking a nontrivial price for it.

- A

 

[Antono Refa]

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Sounds boring.

I've read the reviews of the EF 16-35mm f/2.8 mkIII, kept the mkII, and bought an EF 11-24mm f/4L USM.

That stretched my budget. Unless Canon releases an EF 24-70mm f/2.8L with IS (not holding my breath), I'm done with L zooms for a decade.

Now I'm hoping Canon would upgrade the non-L primes, say 50mm f/1.4 & 85mm f/1.8 with IS, same as the 24-28-35 trio got.

 

[crashpc]

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Well small FF mirrorless with 28mm pancake with 5D4 sensor would do.
M5 without viewfinder too.
Some native lenses as 50mm f/1.4 IS would do too.
I have some $$$$ in my hands, willing to upgrade in next month, yet I don't see the camera ecosystem I would really like to jump into.
Even ugly Sony now looks like tempting competition.

 

[Jopa]

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Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM - excited!!!

No 5dsr II ??? I remember a rumor it was promised the next year.

 

[vscd]

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Still no replacement to prehistoric 50mm Compact macro or update to ancient 180mm usm macro. Also how about Rt(slave mode only) upgrade to speedlight 320ex? That would be useful for a people wanting RT flashes on budget.

What would you like to improve on the 180L? Just improving for it's own sake to rise the prices? The lens is perfect as is... still one of the sharpest ever made, after 2 decades.

 

[AvTvM]

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...
Now do I expect Canon's first FF mirrorless offering to be a a 5D4-level polished gem without a mirror? No. But it will not be horrendously nerfed, lack a damn viewfinder, etc. like they had with EOS M, M2, M3, etc. It will be a solid offering as they'll be asking a nontrivial price for it.

While I still hope for it I am not sure Canon (and Nikon) have learned their mirrorless lesson yet. Especially as no single attractive offering for mirrorless - not even for EOS M - is on this "rumored roadmap". I don't see any hints whatsoever pointing towards a 2017 launch of a Canon (and/or Nikon) FF MILC system.

That's why I wish them a lot more suffering and bleeding. They apparently have to be brought to their knees first before they finally offer what I and millions of other potential buyers want.


PS: Mirrorless FF why so attractive? If done right with global electronic shutter it means: no noise, no vibration, smaller form factor for camera and a number of most frequently used lenses in focal range from 24-85mm. Plus full photographic capability and use of (larger) lenses whenever needed. But only when needed. Best of both worlds.

More precise and faster AF ... just a matter of CPU power and use of some smart algorithms in firmware. No AFMA needed ... don't give me the "focus shift" bullsh*t. As long as you stay away from dubious f/1.2 lenses it is no real issue.

Plus less expensive cameras, due to major cost savings - fully robotic assembly of mechanics-free, "solid-state" MILCs .. no shimming, no shifting, easy assembly, much easier, fully automated quality control. No oil splatters on sensors, no sub-mirror-assembly related AF issues in the field, less recalls. And less after-sales service / warranty repairs needed (if done right of course). And I demand 50% of those cost savings for us customers. 50% to keep for suppliers. Fair is fair. Win-Win.

 

[Mikehit]

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PS: Mirrorless FF why so attractive? If done right with global electronic shutter it means: no noise, no vibration, smaller form factor for camera and a number of most frequently used lenses in focal range from 24-85mm. Plus full photographic capability and use of (larger) lenses whenever needed. But only when needed. Best of both worlds.

More precise and faster AF ... just a matter of CPU power and use of some smart algorithms in firmware. No AFMA needed ... don't give me the "focus shift" bullsh*t. As long as you stay away from dubious f/1.2 lenses it is no real issue.

Plus less expensive cameras, due to major cost savings - fully robotic assembly of mechanics-free, "solid-state" MILCs .. no shimming, no shifting, easy assembly, much easier, fully automated quality control. No oil splatters on sensors, no sub-mirror-assembly related AF issues in the field, less recalls. And less after-sales service / warranty repairs needed (if done right of course). And I demand 50% of those cost savings for us customers. 50% to keep for suppliers. Fair is fair. Win-Win.

Global shutter - no-on has the technology for that on FF yet, but you wish bile on Canon in particular?
No vibration? - shutter shock remains an issue and no doubt for you it will be a problem specifically at the shutter speeds you use
Smaller form factor? - I have seen a lot of comments that the 'smaller form factor' on the Sony means significant aberrations at the periphery. If Canon introduced a FF mirrorless now with the same compromises you would whine about that as well

Canon have a history of deciding what is important and blocking things they think do not meet their standards. it is why they program Canon extenders to block AF at f8 except on specific bodies that have the capability to actually use it - they would rather block it than have people complaining about unpredictable AF at the smaller apertures. It is why they are cautious about introducing new technologies until they are confident they work.

They apparently have to be brought to their knees first before they finally offer what I and millions of other potential buyers want.

Do you think Sony should be 'brought to their knees' for not offering a FF mirrorless with the quality of weathersealing that you can buy on the 7D2? Or the level of AF? After all, given your assertion that FF cameras are cheaper, then at the ame price they should be able to offer the weathersealing as well.
Not to mention any form of after-sales service.

Stupid, stupid AvTvM

 

[AvTvM]

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@mikehit:
global shutter eliminates shutter shock. That's why I want it (I dont care for video). It has been in the works long enough. If Canon were half as innovative as some CDL members here claim, we would have had global shutter on FF sensors for some time already.

Smaller form factor: is real. Just becaus Sony decied to first make a narrow very short-flange distance E-mount for APS-C only, and then decided to also use that for FF does not mean Canon or others should repeat Sony's mistake. Make that mount as wide as you can [Canon does] and make flange distance just 3 mm longer and lens design will be *a whole lot easier* and lenses smaller and less expensive, while camera bodies can be still quite skinny.

Me and millions of other potential buyers have not switched to Sony because
1. most of us have some investment in Canon or Nikon glass and Sony does not offer a native adapter for it and i will never buy some weirdo metabones stuff at 500 a piece and
2. Sony A7 1st gen line-up was lacking in some key areas [AF, shutter shock, battery charge ... ] and
3. Sony has priced its A7 Mk. II family rather high and
4. most importantly: Sony lenses are either sub-par and yet more expensive compared to Canon/Nikon glass or too big, fat, heavy and way too expensive [Zeiss-badged stuff, G-Master cludges]

Those are the main 4 reasons why Sony has not been able and is not able to grab more market share, despite Nikon's and Canon's no-show in FF mirrorless and Canon's nerfed APS-C mirrorless offering.

Fuji has profited a bit from the situation, but are limited due to their high prices and their (stupid!) decision to not add FF mirrorless but rather go into pseudo "medium format". And that retro stuff appeals only to a small minority of customers and turns off people like myself and millions of other potential customers who want clean, modern, digital, sleek user interfaces.

It's quite easy to understand the stills imaging market.