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Viltrox Control Ring Adapter for EF - EOS R

I noticed something I had never seen before, a 3rd party adaptor with control ring functionality. It is firmware upgradable, so that might help if new cameras or lenses break it. Apparently, its pretty new, no reviews on Amazon yet. Its not cheap at $99, but I am curious. I missed the Canon refurbs coming into stock for a short time yesterday, I was in town. I've been checking for it and have a email notification, but I got home too late.

R5 vs EOS R shadow recovery samples

Trying to bring everybody the content that I would want to see if I didn't have my hands on an R5 yet. I did some comparisons of the R5 vs the EOS R for how well they can recover shadows in dark photos at various ISOs. All photos taken with an RF 50mm 1.2. (From here on I'm just going to refer to the EOS R as R.)

All photos were resized to the same dimensions to negate the different sensor megapixels. No noise reduction used anywhere.

First, an underexposed photo at low ISO. I'm only going to include an original from the R5 here because the R didn't look too different.

R5, 1/60sec, f4, ISO 200
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And brightened up version, R vs R5

R5, 1/60sec, f4, ISO 200, brightened 2.75 and raised shadows
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R, 1/60sec, f4, ISO 200, brightened 2.75 and raised shadows
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R5 detail, 1/60sec, f4, ISO 200, brightened 2.75 and raised shadows
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R detail, 1/60sec, f4, ISO 200, brightened 2.75 and raised shadows
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Next, same photo at 10000 ISO. But I did not intentionally underexpose it, so I'm not going to post the original. I just pushed the shadows up on both the R5 and the R.

R5, 1/800sec, f4, ISO 10000, pushed shadows by 100
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R, 1/800sec, f4, ISO 10000, pushed shadows by 100
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R5 detail, 1/800sec, f4, ISO 10000, pushed shadows by 100
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R detail, 1/800sec, f4, ISO 10000, pushed shadows by 100
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Canon R5 Rattle/Shake noise

This scared the heck out of me when I first got it. However, all camera functions seem to work 100% as intended. I assumed the IBIS mechanism would be "locked" down, but thinking about all of Canon's IS lenses those mechanisms seem to be rather loose/rattly, too.

Link to my IG story (can't upload video directly to CR): https://instagram.com/stories/carl....ource=ig_story_item_share&igshid=g5x5m1sf7mff

R5 arrived... First impressions for stills

A fox appeared out my window as I was unboxing the first R5. A good omen, perhaps.

General impression:
This is a once-in-10-years milestone camera when all these improvements coming together. Extremely happy with it. Sure I'll find some bugaboos, but so far so good. There are some 1D series features in here (voice notes), but at least one left out (AF spot metering).

Quick first impressions:
1) Rolling shutter is amazingly well controlled. Need more proper testing, but first impression makes it seem like my A9 II. Really unexpectedly good. Whipping the camera back and forth at 840mm on vertical grass at 80 yards while shooting at 1,000th of a second showed the same rolling shutter using mechanical as electronic shutter, which is to say that it was limited by shutter speed, rather than readout.
2) Ergonomic improvements from R/RP much more than I'd expected. There are lots of little thoughtful things.
3) Goofing around counting FPS I took 3203 shots so far, and my old lp-e6n battery I used is now 37 percent charged still. The lp-e6nh that they sent with the camera was low on arrival, so it's still charging. My sense is that this is draining faster than a dslr, but not crazily so. Typically when doing 10 fps+, you get much higher number of exposures per battery, but this is still pretty good.
4) Perhaps because I'm using the old style battery, I can get 12 fps on mechanical shutter, but only about 15 fps on electronic. I think when I put the proper battery in, it'll go up to 20 on electronic shutter.
5) [Note: this is revised due to original test having been done on faulty card] After redoing the frames per second tests on two different R5's, here's the rough gist when using RAW format (JPEG goes forever):
a) Mechanical shutter does 12 fps for 13-16 seconds before starting to stutter with the buffer unloading. Low was 150 frames before the buffer kicked in, high was 191 using a faster card.
b) E-shutter does 20 fps for a little less than 3 seconds before buffer kicks in, and then it stutters at an average frame rate of just over 10 fps.
6) Touchscreen focus point selection is lightning fast. The R and RP were sludgy, I felt, relative to the M series, although the M series was subject to lag too - a slightly different phenomenon. Neither afflict the R5. It's super zippy and a joy to use. So much so that I now realize I haven't even tried the joystick yet .
7) Image quality with the resolution is way better than I expected. I thought it would be more akin to the 5d4 /R sensor. The additional resolution is great, but there is more improvement than just that resolution would suggest. I feel the noise levels are reduced per same ISO, but of course we'll need real testing. Just an informed feeling at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a stop improvement, as has been suggested by early reviewers.
8) Tracking is noticeably improved, even from the R tracking after the most recent firmware update. It is on par with my A9 II and A7r4; and the animal eye tracking is probably quite a bit better.
9) Not a video guy, so I haven't even ventured over there.
10) Tried out the IBIS (forgot to test it earlier). I am getting consistently sharp shots with my 600mm f/4 with 1.4x EF TC for an effective 840mm focal length at 1/15th second when viewing 1:1 pixels on a monopod. At 1/8th of a second I'm getting 1/4th shots in perfect focus at 1:1 pixel viewing. This is way better than I got with earlier cameras, and especially good given the 1.5x megapickles versus the R. I'm guessing this is a real-world 6 stops of IS with the lens+IBIS combination. I feel my limitation is now only subject movement.
11) Non-animal, non-person tracking is improved. This, I felt, was a weakness in the R, even after the recent firmware update, relative to the Sony version. I feel it is better a picking an inanimate object and keeping hold of it in tracking, where previously the Canon version of tracking would be a bit slippy on non-living targets.
12) After having taken about 1500 shots within 5 minutes, the camera wasn't even slightly warm. Removed the memory card and felt, and it was slightly warm, but couldn't feel any other component retaining much heat. This tells me that intense stills taking isn't going to do anything to cause a heat problem. Shooting at 82 degrees in sun.
13) I cannot see much viewfinder lag, but I haven't had opportunity to fully test on birds in flight, etc. When using panning to try to introduce viewfinder lag, I'm unsuccessful.
14) Startup time is super fast. Can flick camera on and start shooting in <1 second. Quite a bit less it seems. Faster than I'd be able to raise camera to eye.
15) Just got the 600mm f/11. Surprisingly nice image quality. Oddly won't let me take an exposure longer than .5 seconds as I'm trying to test out the IS+IBIS. Probably doing something hinky that I'll figure out later. IS seems to be 5-6 stops. 800mm still on way.
16) Putting the 1.4 RF teleconverter on the 600 was very surprising. F/16 images were very sharp at 840mm. Tomorrow will make direct comparisons with the EF 600 f/4 + EF 1.4x TC III. The f/4 will be better, of course, but not as much as you'd think. These f/11 lenses aren't as nuts as people thought.
17) I can confirm that the RF 1.4x teleconverter does NOT work with the EF/RF converters, so you must use the EF teleconverters with EF lenses.
18) High ISO (50k) is usable without much cropping. I do think this is about a stop better. Must do real tests, but gut tests look pretty impressive.
19) For kicks, tried the RF 85 f1.2 to verify that a camera can have 8 stops of IS. Wow, it can. The weird thing is that the 85 doesn't have lens IS, so it's not even combining the two (although the RF protocol does provide accelerometer data back from lens to body that is used in IBIS calcs).
20) As per usual, certain things that you select in settings will have effects on your frame rate. These sometimes aren't intuitive. I found I had 9fps in mechanical shutter for some reason until I reset my communications settings, which I'd been futzing with. That gave me back 12 fps. Someone should build a chart of this stuff once we figure it all out.
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Any reports from buying R5 through local dealers?

I got on my local dealer's pre-order list before the R5 was even announced because I had been under the impression that Canon had historically prioritized local brick and mortar retailers. Yesterday I found that they only got only five cameras in their first batch (I was #10 on the list), which I found pretty surprising given that this is a big dealer that serves Washington, DC-based news outlets (Ace Photo in Ashburn, VA).
Is this a sign of changes in the way Canon is doing business with brick and mortar camera shops?

My first impressions of the R5

Was extremely lucky to get an R5 delivered today. Want to share some first thoughts, all pretty positive.

-It's noticeably bigger to hold than the EOS R. It will take a little getting used to.
-I was able to get acceptably sharp shots using the IBIS at half a second shutter speed using the RF 50mm f1.2. Sometimes the sharpness wasn't there, sometimes it was dead on. It seems a little inconsistent at half a second. So, if you push it to the limits of what it can do, that's a little less than 5 stops of stabilization.
-The whole camera feels much better than the EOS R. The buttons, the finish of the body, everything feels good, save for a weird clunk noise when you shake the camera when it's powered down. Probably has to do with the IBIS.
-When panning the camera and taking a fast burst using the electronic shutter, the video feed to the EVF is very smooth. I can't imagine this camera will get in the way of tracking fast moving subjects very much. Using the mechanical shutter for a fast burst showed only slightly more of a stuttering motion in the EVF. Still worlds better than the EOS R could do.
-I really like the way moving the AF point feels with the joystick. It feels very "joysticky" for lack of a better term. It's not just a binary push up/down or push left/right feel. If you push the joystick diagonal, the AF point moves diagonal. I will probably go back to using the joystick instead of the touch/drag AF that I was never a huge fan of on the EOS R.
-The shutter noise is much quieter than the EOS R. Just overall sounds nicer too.
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R5 has very noticeable clunk/rattle when the camera is off

Anybody else gotten an R5 yet and noticed a very noticeable clunk or rattle when the camera is moved or shaken when the camera is off? It's much less noticeable when the camera is on. I assume it's related to the IBIS. But wow, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Sounds like something is just loose inside the camera. Does not seem to be any different if I turn off the IBIS and then turn off the camera.

Otherwise very happy with the camera after just playing around with it for a few minutes. But that rattle will take some getting used to. :oops:
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R5 Arrived

OMG, without any warning my new EOS R5 from B&H arrived by FedX at 10:30 A.M. this morning of 7/30/2020. What a surprise. I was just checking the photo sites online to see if shipments actually started on 7/30 as rumored. I could find no evidence that shipments had started. I was wondering what my place in line would be. Surprise was that I received it on the day shipments rumored to begin. It came via FedX instead of UPS. That was a first for me from B&H.
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CRAW. — what is your take?

Ok, reading the R5 manual I see that CRAW is one of the capture file choices. Knowing nothing about it, I did a google search looking most for any downsides for using. The little that I found said that image quality is not much different from uncompressed RAW and file size is reduced by about 40% on average. If you do a double blind test of the same shot in RAW and CRAW, there are just perceivable differences viewing at 100%, and it would be hard to say which is better. With CFExpress memory cards being so damn expensive, I’m thinking about using CRAW as my primary capture file. Given all the experience available here on the forum I’m asking for any practical knowledge you can share. I am most interested in any image quality degradation you may or may not have seen. Thanks for your help.
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What’s next for the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS R6?

There has obviously been more talk about how quickly the Canon EOS R6 and Canon EOS R5 overheat when recording video, especially when shooting 8K or 4K60p (along with other framerates). The second issue a lot of videographers have is how long the cameras need to cool down once they reach an overheating threshold.
So is Canon going to do anything about it?
I think so, and I’ve been talking to a few sources and reading between the lines a bit. Canon released its first statement about the heat concerns back on July 16 and has been relatively silent since.
I have been told that Canon is actively working on solutions to increase record times and reduce cooldown times. What those solutions are is...

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Lens suggestions for concert photography...but there's a litte bit of a catch...

Okay so I've been shooting for around 12 years STRICTLY landscapes & I've had 5 bodies over the years of different brands (Canon & Sony). I recently got into shooting concerts but then I ended up getting sick with Flesh eating disease and Coronavirus hit so I haven't shot anything since last October. I am on the mend though with the flesh eating disease and will be having surgery in 2 weeks to repair my open wound & once I'm healed I'm looking to get back into the field and start shooting again. I was last shooting with the Sony RX10 IV. I previously owned a Sony A7 & 7ii. Well I had some decent results with them but it still NEVER felt as good as when I shot with Canon. I made the decision to sell off my Sony cameras & switch back to Canon. I will be buying the Canon R & I could use some suggestions on some lenses (Maybe 1 RF lens but mostly EF lenses with the adapter of course because of how expensive the RF lineup is. My dream RF lens is obviously the RF 70-200 2.8.) The thing is I am limited on how close I can get in certain situations because I'm in a wheelchair. My question to all of you though is what would you suggest to someone who is in a wheelchair for who is getting into concert photography? I won't be able to get into photo pits all the time for shows once things start back up but I really want to get into it.

Also...I know this doesn't really matter but I don't really shoot professionally full time. It's always been semi-professionally because of my whole wheelchair situation and not being able to get to certain locations & whatnot. Just wanted to point that out. I'm guessing zoom lenses will be my best friend?

This was the last concert photo I took. Sony RX10 IV

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Adobe has released DNG Converter 12.4 Beta, adds EOS R5 and EOS R6 support

Adobe has released a beta .DNG converter for .CR3 files from both the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS R6.
Support for the following cameras has been added. Visit the Camera Raw page for a complete list of supported cameras.

Canon EOS R5
Canon EOS R6
Nikon Z 5
Panasonic LUMIX DC-G100 (DC-G110)
Skydio 2
Sony ZV-1 (DCZV1/B)

You can download Adobe DNG Converter 12.4 Beta here.

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The Canon EOS R5 manual is available for download

Canon Europe has made the manual for the Canon EOS R5 available for download.
You can grab it here.
Regarding the stock of the Canon EOS R5, I’m told they will be shipping on time in the USA at least. A second allocation maybe delayed.
Preorder the Canon EOS R5

Canon EOS R5 Body $3899
Canon EOS R5 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $4999

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