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Cryve · Dec 24, 2018

I have seen the technology in film cameras and used for video recording, but is it also possible to use this for photoraphy?

Could this be a useful improvement for cameras like the 7d iii and idx iii?

haggie · Dec 22, 2018

There are people that wonder what Canon has in mind for their customers with a cropped body action-oriented camera (i.e. the 7D Mk II). As you might guess, I am one of those people.

The lack of any credible rumor about the 7D Mk III starts to get worrying. A successor for the 7D Mk II could (or: should) be near. The combination of the rumor that Canon stopped the development of at least 1 DSLR (“Canon said to have scrapped at least one DSLR in development [CR2]” ) and the recent rumor that the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II may be due in Q4 of 2019 (“The follow-up to Canon EOS-1D X Mark II may come in 2019 [CR2]” ) does not give much hope.

It is no shame that 4 years after the 7D Mk II was introduced, technology has improved to a degree that the EOS 7D Mk II no longer is “best-of-class” like when it came out.
Although the 7D Mk II is still a potent camera for many situations, there is better technology available now. And as a Canon owner, I want access to that. I think that more of Canon’s 7D Mk II customers might feel that way.

Especially in action photography, with fast maneuvering aircraft or birds in flight and often no way to influence the lighting, a more capable camera means the ability to get good results under circumstances that until then gave little hope for success.

Nikon has shown with its D500 that useful improvements are still feasible for this class of cropped cameras. In particular in the autofocus system and also in sensor technology. Such improvements benefit the user because they result in more keepers (a result from improvements in AF behavior) and in better image quality (a result from a better sensor). The latter is due to more ‘room’ for post-processing, in particular because of better Dynamic Range, but also somewhat better Noise properties.

But the 7D Mk II is no toy camera, so further improvements in AF- and sensor performance will not come easy. That is: they will not come cheap. As a result, for the EOS 7D Mk III to get on par with the D500 in these areas, Canon will need to invest in both the sensor and the AF system: in development as well as in engineering. This is expensive.

Personally I am a bit worried by the “Canon said to have scrapped at least one DSLR in development [CR2]“ rumor. I can see Canon’s marketing managers scrapping the 7D Mk III to avoid investing in a better AF system for the 7D Mk III, because that is specific for DSLRs and will have no spin-off to future mirrorless. And perhaps Canon even foresees that without a 7D Mk III, cropped action shooters will switch either to Canon’s FF bodies or to the cropped EOS “R-for-action-shooters” as soon as that one arrives.

I wish all moderators of this forum,all the posters and all the readers a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy 2019.
My own wish for 2019 is that the new year 2019 will quickly bring clarity what Canon has in mind for cropped camera action photographers, as a successor to the 7D Mk II.

Canon Rumors · Dec 21, 2018

December 20, 2018, Saitama, Japan – As the 2nd update announcement of our October 25th compatibility information of Tamron Di/Di II series for Canon mount models on Canon EOS R and Mount Adapter EF-EOS R, we would like to announce that new firmware version is now available for the following Tamron model. The new F/W version makes the model compatible with Canon “EOS R” and Canon “Mount Adapter EF-EOS R” for general operations(*1).

Applicable models

SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2 (Model A022) for Canon
The lens firmware can be updated with the separately sold TAP-in Console.
If you do not have a TAP-in Console, please contact your nearest Tamron distributors.

Compatible Tamron Lenses as of 12/20/18 [2]

SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD G2 (Model A041) for Canon
SP 24-70mm F/2.8 Di VC USD G2 (Model A032) for Canon
SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD G2 (Model A025) for Canon
SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3...

Stuart · Dec 21, 2018

I love the spec of Canon's new EOS-R focusing down to -6ev when using their new RF 50mm f1.2 lens.

BUT i can't find any information on what it can achieve using a more normal F4 lens - such as the 'kit' 24-105 F4 it might be supplied with?
Is it actually better than my rated -3ev EOS 6D camera with an f4 lens?

I've had a search and can't yet find anything on this, so does anyone know how well AF will work with a more typical lens attached? And perhaps with non center spot focusing all well?
I'm also interested in how does the focusing work differently to achieve this?

The spec says with all its disclaimers - "During still photo shooting, f/1.2, Center AF point, One-Shot AF, at 23°C/73°F, ISO100"

Fuzzy · Dec 20, 2018

I'm new to the group so forgive me if this is redundant. But I HOPE that Canon will bring us eye focus in the near future that is as capable as the Sony. That is the one feature that everyone who has a DSLR wishes they had, and is a huge draw for the SONY.

Canon Rumors · Dec 20, 2018

Here’s an interesting patent from Canon uncovered by Canon News. It’s a multiple lens camera system that is somewhat similar to the Light Camera L16 system. The Canon uses different focal lengths and 8 cameras to make the image.
Focal lengths in Japan Patent Application 2018-200484: (35mm equivalent)

5.2mm F2.88 (29mm)
7.5mm f2.88 (42mm)
10.50mm f2.88 (59mm)
15.00mm f2.88 (84mm)
4.4mm F2.88 (25mm)
8.1mm f2.88 (45mm)

It looks like the camera system is for 1/2.3″ sensor size as the image height is 3.88mm. There is a crop factor of 5.6, which you can see in the parenthesis of the patent focal lengths above.
We have no idea if this will ever become a consumer product, but Canon continues to R&D niche market systems like 360 cameras and multi-lens systems.

bokehmon22 · Dec 20, 2018

I have no idea what FF mirrorless camera I will be getting next year but it seems EF lens are very versatile.

It works flawlessly on EOS R I had. It works with Sony A7 series and Panasonic S series.

I have no problem buying an adapter to use my EF lens. It definitely give me choices on camera to buy.
When I buy a native lens, that's when I feel I'm locked into a particular system.

Maximilian · Dec 20, 2018

Today the German Federal Supreme Court (Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) has delivered a verdict (I ZR 104/17) about taking photos in a museum.
It is not allowed to take photos in a museum let alone publish them unless expressly permitted in the museums regulations.

Details:
In 2007 a man took photos in a museum and even scanned some from the museums catalog and later uploaded and published them in wikipedia.
(honestly I don't understand these actions with some common sense)
The museum sued him for this action as the museums regulations prohibited such actions.
(as most museums do, not only German; if you don't know, just ask at the entrance)
The man pled on expired copyright laws as the painters had died more than 70 years ago. This general regulation is part of the German copyright laws.
But it is not active in this case as with the access to the museum the man accepted the general terms and conditions of the museum.

As the incident took place in 2007 and therefore before the the GDPR (ger. DSGVO) became effective the old laws and regulations were taken into account.
But AFAIK the regulations became more restricted with the GDPR.
So I would still recommend to ask for permission first before you press the shutter.

AlanF · Dec 20, 2018

I am intrigued wondering how many of the lens patents come to fruition and how many new lenses appear unexpectedly without prior indication from patents. For example, were there patents alerting us to the the new RF lenses or the radically redesigned 400mm f/2.8? Does anyone keep a tally of what doesn't come to fruition?

justawriter · Dec 20, 2018

I have a friend who has a 60D with a kit lens (18-135, I think) and she is having an odd problem. We both take photos of high school sports. In the last few days, her camera has exhibited an odd behavior. Through the viewfinder, the image jerks in random directions two or three times before focusing. My gut feeling is that this is a lens problem, but I want to get some expert (for Canon Rumors level of expert) advice before recommending using the lens for skeet shooting practice.

Alejandro · Dec 19, 2018

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-758212907-canon-ef-24-70mm-f28-l-il-usm-con-detalle-_JM

It's for sale here in my country. Prize is around u$s1100. I think i could get it down to u$s800. Do you think those marks will degrade the image quality? Coming from a 24-105mm (10/10 conditions) do you think the upgrade worth it?

Canon Rumors · Dec 19, 2018

A lot of Canon’s DSLR lineup is becoming a bit long-in-the-tooth. Canon hasn’t announced a professional DSLR body since the EOS 5D Mark IV in August of 2016.
We’re told that Canon will “likely” address the EOS-1D X line sometime in 2019. If we had to guess, we’d say the 4th quarter of 2019 would be the earliest we’d see an EOS-1D X Mark III.
While the EOS R is obviously the future of full frame ILC cameras, there will be at least one more iteration of the EOS-1D X we’re told. The source mentions that “Full frame mirrorless isn’t yet advanced enough to take over the duties of the EOS-1D line in Canon’s eyes”. I think in a lot of professional photographers would agree with that way of thinking.

We also expect to see a follow-up to the EOS 5D Mark IV before that line goes mirrorless. Though as previously mentioned, we think the EOS 5DS line is going to move to EOS R instead of a Mark II EF mount version.
Obviously, there weren’t really any specifications given for an EOS-1D X Mark...

Chaitanya · Dec 18, 2018

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Canon Rumors · Dec 18, 2018

Lensrentals.com has done something I’ve never seen before, and that’s tearing down a working Canon super telephoto lens. In this case, it’s the brand new EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III, the world’s lightest 400mm f/2.8 lens.
An interesting bit of information that Roger and Aaron did get from the teardown, is that the EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III uses the same focusing motor as the RF 50mm f/1.2L.
This is a great teardown and not for the faint of gear heart.
From Lensrentals.com:
Some things we were already aware of or assuming. The lens elements are moved towards the mount side of the lens. There are lots of optical adjustments like all Canon lenses. Despite being far lighter, it’s still very solidly built with a very strong frame, tons of big screws holding everything together, and no weak joints that we can see. It’s what we expected; Canon’s been building super telephotos for a long...

LSXPhotog · Dec 18, 2018

Back in September I made the decision to purchase a 35mm prime to finally round out my primes which already consisted of a 24, 50, 85, 100, and 135. I got my hands on the EF 35mm f/1.4L II USM lens as a rental and it was pretty easy to fall in love with that big guy. While I make a living using my gear, I am also realistic when it comes to priority of spending money. As a 50mm shooter through and through, I didn't think too keenly about the price tag for a lens that I already knew wouldn't see the level of action I get from my 50mm and 85mm on a weekly basis. The new RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro seemed like it might be a good idea for keeping the costs down and the macro capability might be really useful when I shoot food for local restaurants I work with. I rented the lens in early December and started messing around with it - bringing it with me to NYC on my vacation last week. My findings were...disappointing to say the least.

Results:
Before I left for NYC I was already messing around with the RF 35mm around the house and was really shocked how ugly I thought the photos were looking. The bokeh falloff was honestly very sloppy and was distracting in some shots. It was very clear that this lens is designed with shorter focus distances in mind, so images taken of closer subjects honestly look really nice. It isn't until about mid-range and general walk-around photography subjects are captured that you see what this lens does...and that is create some really harsh bokeh. Sadly, this performance has me shying away from buying the lens at this time, as I don't think I would personally have much use for it beyond food photography - which I'm sure this lens will excel at greatly. If you want a beautiful walk-around lens for portraits, events, weddings, and travel, I don't think this is a very good lens for that because of the bokeh quality. It's honestly some of the worst I've ever seen and it makes me sad. It's a pretty darn sharp lens great for grabbing details and shorter range subjects...but it can really create some dud shots.

Samples all shot wide open at f/1.8 on EOS R.

After taking this image walking my dog, I instantly knew I wasn't going to like this lens. The subject isolation is extremely poor and the backgrounds preserve a LOT of detail and have too much busyness going on.

100% crop shows that the lens performs very well in terms of sharpness and aberration control, but WOW...this is really ugly falloff for an f/1.8 prime.

When grabbing detail shots, this lens really does an excellent job creating a beautiful and sharp image. THIS is where the lens shines.

100% crop shows how nice the background is rendered and how sharp it is at shorter focusing distances.

Globally, to my eye, this image doesn't look very good at all. There is a nerviousness to the transition areas out of the depth of field and it doesn't look horrible, but it doesn't look smooth either. Look toward the top of the frame how the buildings and tree branches look in spite of being much further away from the chair I focused on.

100% crop shows the sharpness once again. It's a pretty sharp lens - no surprise - but at f/1.8 and this distance to focus on the subject I would have expected a smoother background.

This photo was the nail in the coffin for me with this lens as I think it tuns in an absolutely ugly performance. I'm focused on the sign and the falloff is not only poorly defined, but it doesn't look like an f/1.8 shot and the background is incredibly busy and messy looking. It honestly looks like a "portrait" mode shot from a cell phone.

I don't think bokeh performance can get much worse than this. THIS IS f/1.8!!! Instead of creating a nice blur we have image doubling. Everything looks hazy and distracting no matter how far away from the subject things in this shot get. Move your eyes from the ropes on the right, to the garbage ca, to the two people next to the parking meter. There is a solid 10-15 feet distance in depth between each of them and they are all roughly represented.

ShermN8r · Dec 17, 2018

So will there be a 7D Mark III in my/our future?

Canon Rumors · Dec 17, 2018

The inevitable comparisons between the “Big 3” full frame mirrorless cameras have happened at DPreview, where they make their pick for the best full-frame mirrorless camera for various types of photographer needs.
From DPReview:
All three cameras can produce excellent images but the Sony more readily adapts to a wider range of situations. The Nikon acquits itself well for certain types of photography, while also doing unexpectedly well at video, but the Z6 has the least dependable AF system of the trio, which counts against it. Canon has tried to make an easy-to-use camera, rather than simply mimicking its DSLRs, but, while we’re not fully convinced by the results of this first attempt, it’s still a very able camera. Read the full article
DPReview made their pick for the best full-frame mirrorless camera for different specialities such as portrait, sports and...

YuengLinger · Dec 17, 2018

Jared Polin puts them side by side, discussing the good, the bad, and the head-scratchers.

Canon Rumors · Dec 17, 2018

DCWatch has posted an internal Canon presentation about the advantages of the RF mount’s large diameter. Canon describes why they developed a new mount over using the existing EF-M mount. The large diameter of the RF mount allows for simpler and better-balanced lens design.
The RF mount allows for the larger lens elements to be near the rear of the lens and closer to the camera mount and the image sensor. This should provide better balance when larger aperture lenses are affixed to the EOS R. While this could technically have been done with the EF-M mount, it’s far easier for Canon to design lenses for the RF mount.
Comparing EF and RF lens design...

Canon Rumors · Dec 17, 2018

The-Digital-Picture has completed their review of the brand new and affordable Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro lens for the EOS R system.
As we should have expected, this $500 prime lens for the EOS R system is a great performer and provides great value. Especially if you want a native RF mount prime lens for your EOS R and don’t want to spend $2300 on the RF 50mm f/1.2L USM.
From The-Digital-Picture:
Many acquire a mirrorless camera for smaller size and lighter weight while retaining great image quality and the Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro Lens follows through with that spirit. This lens is light enough to be carried all day and the 35mm focal length has the general purpose utility to make it a good choice for such extended duration use. Especially with its macro focusing capabilities aiding, this lens has a huge number of subjects available for it. Image quality is quite good and 5-stop-rated image stabilization contributes strongly in that regard. That the price is...

Canon Rumors · Dec 17, 2018

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Andrew Davies Photography · Dec 17, 2018

OK so had chance to really test the 5D4 in the field as it were ! Its the end of wedding season but also the hardest part with long dark days and varying amounts of wind and rain !

Thoughts so far for anyone interested - I am coming from 5D3s and mk2/1 before that and use mainly in wedding work but also some commercial and landscape uses too.

Positives against the 5D3:

Very similar form factor extremely comfortable to hold as most canons are

Feels slighty lighter to use and well balanced

Button layout similar enough to be easy to get straight into - with a couple of handy extras which can be customized

ISO performance - definitely less/finer grain and happily getting away with shooting at iso12800 and cleaning up a bit so enabling better low light shots and faster shutter speeds, i would say the 5D3 was maxed at 6400.

Image Quality / RAW - the raw files definitely have more latitude and I am able to pull more from the shadows than I ever was with the 5d3 so a definite win here.

Touch Screen - has come in handy especially in the dark and cold instead of fumbling for buttons and being able to pinch zoom in to images is a god send at times for speed sake.

Viewfinder display - this is much better with all camera info now shown and being able to lit bright red so you can really see it when needed without looking at camera
In camera Menu system much better with now being able to add multiple favorite screens hence get all needed functions to front

Autofocus in video mode is a world apart better than the 5D3 and is actually useable

Negatives against the 5D3

Battery life very poor ! I am now only getting through half wedding ie 5 hours whereas the 5d3 could get through 12 hours - have turned off wifi but still wasting batteries fast - the newer lpE6N battery does not appear to last any better than the standard batteries either

Shutter noise even in silent shutter mode is now louder than the 5D3 was , not massively but enough to notice especially during weddings.

Wifi is a bit gimmicky and finding it disconnects at the drop of a hat and reconnecting the app etc is more trouble than its worth - not that i really need it

File size is much bigger now around 30-40mb per cr2 file , so you definitely need a bigger card

Still not supporting fast sd cards so backing up using sd slows overall fps speed somewhat

On balance it has its issues but for the pure quality iso and dr over the 5d3 i would recommend it and love it , the rest i can work around and put up with !

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