Two New Lenses, Including an RF 85mm f/1.4L VCM Coming September 9

[P-visie]

When Canon is marketing all around the web "the fx3 killer"

Was it Canon that was using “fx3 killer”? Or was it the influencers and some photo/video websites that use “fx3 killer” as clickbait to get clicks and views?

I used google to search for “Canon fx 3 killer”. And the only results with Canon websites were for the Canon FX-3 toner cartridges. The other results were for YouTubers and photo/video websites.

You cannot blame Canon for claims (and/or specifications) made by others.

 

[mariosk1gr]

Was it Canon that was using “fx3 killer”? Or was it the influencers and some photo/video websites that use “fx3 killer” as clickbait to get clicks and views?

I used google to search for “Canon fx 3 killer”. And the only results with Canon websites were for the Canon FX-3 toner cartridges. The other results were for YouTubers and photo/video websites.

You cannot blame Canon for claims (and/or specifications) made by others.

When Canon ambassadors review C50 as "fx3 killer" then you know what's going on behind. Tomato tomato...

 

[mimbu]

Canon is shifting it's Cinema line away from hybrid. Sony high end Cinema lines do not have IBIS. Filmmakers and cinematographers do not want a floating sensor in their "A" cameras or "B" cameras. And no you cant turn OFF the floating.

About 5 years ago Sony told CineD that they couldn't fit both IBIS and EVND into the same camera:

Unlike the a7S III, the FX6 does not feature in-body stabilization. We have been told by Sony that it’s impossible to have IBIS in a camera with a built-in mechanical ND. However, like with the FX9, the FX6 has a gyroscope built in and it records the movements of the camera. Using Sony’s own Catalyst software you can apply post-stabilization using that data.

However after a few more years of R&D, Sony managed to fit both IBIS and their EVND system into the $25k Burano, a cine camera built around the 50mp sensor from the A1. I expect we'll see the same thing into cameras like the FX6ii (~$6k) and FX9ii (~$10k) whenever Sony gets around to releasing them. Probably not down to FX3ii (~$4k) level or ZV-E1 (~$2.5k) which will probably continue with IBIS only. (The current FX6, FX3, A7S III, and ZV-E1 all have the same 12mp sensor.)

Any camera that is mostly targeted at individual creators or at small teams is likely to benefit a lot from having IBIS. It's a different type of work from large productions. That's not to say that all users of such cameras will want IBIS, but on balance it's a very popular feature.

 

[mimbu]

Google the article "And Now Panasonic Explains What’s Not so Good with IBIS" [for video]

And yet in the 7.5 years since that was published Panasonic has done nothing but improve their IBIS. It has gotten better and better with every new camera. Why? Because it's a high demand feature in the target audience for these types of cameras.

Perhaps you personally don't want IBIS, or refuse to adapt to using IBIS, but you are in the tiny minority for customers of cameras like this.

 

[mimbu]

When Canon ambassadors review C50 as "fx3 killer" then you know what's going on behind. Tomato tomato...

The C50 is a very capable camera that in some ways is a better camera than the FX3. However the FX3 is 5 years old, due for a replacement, and in a number of important ways is better than the C50.

You'd think that with 5 years Canon would have been able to beat the FX3 in every single way but that's not the case.

For anyone who is not married to RF already, the FX3 is probably still the better overall camera. And, of course, the FX3 II is almost certainly coming within the next 6 months.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Perhaps you personally don't want IBIS, or refuse to adapt to using IBIS, but you are in the tiny minority for customers of cameras like this.

I agree with you that there are a lot of people who want IBIS for video.
There are also a lot of people who do not.
When I see the FX3 used by professionals, it is mostly on a gimbal.
Canon also has a lot more stabilized lenses than the other brands.
Panasonic did that for Micro Four Thirds, but they have gotten away from that on the L mount.
All rumors point to the R6 III coming soon.
All IBIS lovers can just get that one instead of complaining about a camera not meant for them.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

For anyone who is not married to RF already, the FX3 is probably still the better overall camera

I hate the FX3 and Sony's terrible baked-in noise reduction.
A lot of people obviously don't mind it.
Noise reduction can be turned off for the FX6.

 

[mawlki]

The elephant that is not in the room; body material! In Holland, all the specifications of this video beast can be found on the Canon website, but alas nothing about the construction and frame.

 

[mimbu]

I hate the FX3 and Sony's terrible baked-in noise reduction.
A lot of people obviously don't mind it.
Noise reduction can be turned off for the FX6.

Mostly because the noise reduction is not particularly terrible for most use cases of a camera like this.

The FX6 is designed for different use cases. It has no IBIS and has built in EVND filters. Horses for courses and all that.

Even at 5 years old the FX3 remains the gold standard for run&gun cine setups, which is why every other compact cine camera is compared against it.

 

[mimbu]

I agree with you that there are a lot of people who want IBIS for video.
There are also a lot of people who do not.
When I see the FX3 used by professionals, it is mostly on a gimbal.

For this type of ultra-compact camera I'd guess it's about 90/10 in favor of people wanting IBIS at least some of the time. Wanting the option, in other words.
Modern IBIS (such as Panasonic's and probably Sony's latest 8.5 stop IBIS) has gotten so good that often time a gimbal doesn't need to be used at all.

Canon also has a lot more stabilized lenses than the other brands.

Which is a poor substitution. You're paying for IBIS in every lens, and there are of course lenses that don't have it at all. To say nothing of all the third party glass that is available to choose from on E that generally doesn't have IBIS. RF users don't have that option, much to their detriment.

Panasonic did that for Micro Four Thirds, but they have gotten away from that on the L mount.

Yes, because their IBIS is incredible. If they ever get their AF to be 2025 standard they'll be a very strong competitor. They're clearly working on it.

All rumors point to the R6 III coming soon.
All IBIS lovers can just get that one instead of complaining about a camera not meant for them.

Or Canon could actually design a proper run&gun camera which included IBIS. Such a weird decision to not add it to a camera like this.

 

[scyrene]

You're paying for IBIS in every lens, and there are of course lenses that don't have it at all.

A minor quibble: by definition, a lens cannot have IBIS. ILIS or just IS.